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KazooSkinsFan wrote:If I had to put "money" on it, I'd pick Grossman...but put as little on it as I was allowed to...

Agreed. Its going to be a close call. I'm about 51/49 on Grossman being the starter on opening day vs. the skins making a move to grab RGIII. I guess I'd put my money on Grossman, because even with RGIII there is still a chance we'll see Rex starting the first couple games.

I was kind of surprised by the number of people who voted Tannehill. I won't be surprised if we draft him, but not sure how likely it is that he would be our starting QB anytime soon.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Don't apologize to this guy.

That's too funny. You follow me around the board with bitter little posts like this, even after we'd worked it out...

Perhaps, he wasn't satisfied with the terms of your victory...

In the interim, smack remains available.

Countertrey wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:Don't apologize to this guy.

That's too funny. You follow me around the board with bitter little posts like this, even after we'd worked it out...

Perhaps, he wasn't satisfied with the terms of your victory...

I'm pretty sure Kazoo conceded.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:You won, you're winning, everything you say is golden, you are the smack master, everyone is on your side, everyone agrees with you.

Deadskins wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote: That's too funny. You follow me around the board with bitter little posts like this, even after we'd worked it out...

Perhaps, he wasn't satisfied with the terms of your victory...

I'm pretty sure Kazoo conceded.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:You won, you're winning, everything you say is golden, you are the smack master, everyone is on your side, everyone agrees with you.

Nobody won, we all lost as we had to read all those posts!!!
Hopefully now we can all be civil and get behind our one shared love.
(If you close your eyes you can almost see them shaking hands...)

riggofan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:If I had to put "money" on it, I'd pick Grossman...but put as little on it as I was allowed to...

Agreed. Its going to be a close call. I'm about 51/49 on Grossman being the starter on opening day vs. the skins making a move to grab RGIII. I guess I'd put my money on Grossman, because even with RGIII there is still a chance we'll see Rex starting the first couple games.

I was kind of surprised by the number of people who voted Tannehill. I won't be surprised if we draft him, but not sure how likely it is that he would be our starting QB anytime soon.

I don't have anything other than anecdotal evidence, conjecture and (educated?) belief to back this up, but I see RGIII starting from game 1. Quite frankly, with a full offseason available to him (IF WE DRAFT HIM!!!) I expect him to be better than Grossman right away.

ITS. NOT. THAT. HIGH. A. BAR.

On one hand I think coaches are inherently conservative. I think this showed in the Super Bowl. If Mike goes this route we're gonna go FA for QB while trading down again and again.

On the other hand, Mike has a daring/cocky streak in him. RGIII sure looks like his type. He's what ... a faster Elway, a more accurate Cutler?

This would put us on track to have a 3rd year starter in Super Bowl IL in Mike's 5th year.

Don't forget, he actually traded UP for Helu.

I'm putting $100 down on RGIII at Hollywood Casino next time I go there to play poker, flop trips, and stack some donkey.

emoses14 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:If I had to put "money" on it, I'd pick Grossman...but put as little on it as I was allowed to...

Agreed. Its going to be a close call. I'm about 51/49 on Grossman being the starter on opening day vs. the skins making a move to grab RGIII. I guess I'd put my money on Grossman, because even with RGIII there is still a chance we'll see Rex starting the first couple games.

I was kind of surprised by the number of people who voted Tannehill. I won't be surprised if we draft him, but not sure how likely it is that he would be our starting QB anytime soon.

I don't have anything other than anecdotal evidence, conjecture and (educated?) belief to back this up, but I see RGIII starting from game 1. Quite frankly, with a full offseason available to him (IF WE DRAFT HIM!!!) I expect him to be better than Grossman right away.

ITS. NOT. THAT. HIGH. A. BAR.

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I BELIEVE that we'll have a free agent QB (NOT Grossman) to start the season

So that would be Manning, Flynn or Orton then...? Who do you think Shanny would go after...??

Not being a betting man -

still ... I took it that the thread is about what we think will happen rather than what we want

this FO WILL do whatever it takes to both get a free agent QB in here AND draft a QB

in alpha order - Flynn, Manning or Orton are the obvious choices but someone will be starting here - it will NOT be Grossman
Grossman may earn a job here, but not as the starter

I think Flynn will be sucked up by Miami, since Their coach just came from Green Bay. Flynn would start right away in a system that he is comfortable running. I guess time will tell.

jr_uscg wrote:I think Flynn will be sucked up by Miami, since Their coach just came from Green Bay. Flynn would start right away in a system that he is comfortable running. I guess time will tell.

Good point. On the flip side, if he's not sucked up by Miami that may be a good indication we should avoid him too, particularly for a big $ contract

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

jr_uscg wrote:I think Flynn will be sucked up by Miami, since Their coach just came from Green Bay. Flynn would start right away in a system that he is comfortable running. I guess time will tell.

Good point. On the flip side, if he's not sucked up by Miami that may be a good indication we should avoid him too, particularly for a big $ contract

So if Flynn went to Miami, and say Manning went elsewhere or was unfit still, that would leave Orton.

On the basis that Grossman actually moved the offense quite well when he wasn't throwing the ball to the opposition, couldn't Orton do a good job with the Redskins...?

Looking back at the year and the play we got from our QB and considering the other players on offense - there is no way that this FO will have Grossman starting here

If I had to bet on it I'd bet they've already targeted at least 1 FA QB to be our starter

This is a tough one. In the past few years I though we would be drafting a QB early in the draft. Didn't happen. This year it's a bigger toss up then ever. I can make an argument for ever player on the list and a convincing one to. But I would have to agree with the idea of going after a FA and drafting a QB in the 2 or 3rd round.

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

jr_uscg wrote:I think Flynn will be sucked up by Miami, since Their coach just came from Green Bay. Flynn would start right away in a system that he is comfortable running. I guess time will tell.

Good point. On the flip side, if he's not sucked up by Miami that may be a good indication we should avoid him too, particularly for a big $ contract

So if Flynn went to Miami, and say Manning went elsewhere or was unfit still, that would leave Orton.

On the basis that Grossman actually moved the offense quite well when he wasn't throwing the ball to the opposition, couldn't Orton do a good job with the Redskins...?

Orton couldn't beat out Tim Tebow in Denver. Is there any more that needs to be added?

cowboyhater4life wrote:This is a tough one. In the past few years I though we would be drafting a QB early in the draft. Didn't happen. This year it's a bigger toss up then ever. I can make an argument for ever player on the list and a convincing one to. But I would have to agree with the idea of going after a FA and drafting a QB in the 2 or 3rd round.

It's really not tough at all. It's quite simple. QB's are not receivers ... and there are no franchise QBs available in FA .... (Manning being the exception, but is too old, and health to much in question, and at best would only represent a 2 year interim fix), and no franchise level QBs in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, other than the very rare freak surprise that no one can ever predict or count on.

That leaves you with two real options ... be so lousy that you get that first or second pick in the draft, or trade picks to get one of them.

So there's the choices ... make do with someone else's throw away ... or pony up and pay.

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

jr_uscg wrote:I think Flynn will be sucked up by Miami, since Their coach just came from Green Bay. Flynn would start right away in a system that he is comfortable running. I guess time will tell.

Good point. On the flip side, if he's not sucked up by Miami that may be a good indication we should avoid him too, particularly for a big $ contract

So if Flynn went to Miami, and say Manning went elsewhere or was unfit still, that would leave Orton.

On the basis that Grossman actually moved the offense quite well when he wasn't throwing the ball to the opposition, couldn't Orton do a good job with the Redskins...?

I think the issue with Orton is he's not enough of an upgrade to be our solution at QB, so why bring in a new guy that doesn't solve the problem? It could happen, but I'd consider it a yawn over just keeping Grossman.

RayNAustin wrote:

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote: Good point. On the flip side, if he's not sucked up by Miami that may be a good indication we should avoid him too, particularly for a big $ contract

So if Flynn went to Miami, and say Manning went elsewhere or was unfit still, that would leave Orton.

On the basis that Grossman actually moved the offense quite well when he wasn't throwing the ball to the opposition, couldn't Orton do a good job with the Redskins...?

Orton couldn't beat out Tim Tebow in Denver. Is there any more that needs to be added?

Orton beat out Tebow for the starting job two years in a row in Denver.

riggofan wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

SouthLondonRedskin wrote: So if Flynn went to Miami, and say Manning went elsewhere or was unfit still, that would leave Orton.

On the basis that Grossman actually moved the offense quite well when he wasn't throwing the ball to the opposition, couldn't Orton do a good job with the Redskins...?

Orton couldn't beat out Tim Tebow in Denver. Is there any more that needs to be added?

Orton beat out Tebow for the starting job two years in a row in Denver.

And was then benched in favor of Tebow this season.

That's why we need Peyton, if he's healthy it's our best bet. If he was only at 75% he would still beat out Grossman or Orton. Especially since his contract would be incentive based. What would we have to loose? Just think how good our defense would be if our offense didn't turn over the ball some thirty times. I think if we do get Peyton, it will be before the draft. The sooner the better, call me crazy....

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

RayNAustin wrote: Orton couldn't beat out Tim Tebow in Denver. Is there any more that needs to be added?

Orton beat out Tebow for the starting job two years in a row in Denver.

And was then benched in favor of Tebow this season.

Ok. And then he beat Tebow playing for KC. So what? Neither of these things really says anything in particular about whether Orton would be a decent option for us at QB or not.

riggofan wrote: .. OK. And then he beat Tebow playing for KC. So what? Neither of these things really says anything in particular about whether Orton would be a decent option for us at QB or not.

All that matters is which free agent QB that Mike or Kyle feels can help here

there's not a doubt that we'll get better play from the QB this season than we had with either Grossman or Beck

that's a good thing

So true SkinsJock

riggofan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote: Orton beat out Tebow for the starting job two years in a row in Denver.

And was then benched in favor of Tebow this season.

Ok. And then he beat Tebow playing for KC. So what? Neither of these things really says anything in particular about whether Orton would be a decent option for us at QB or not.

Orton doesn't do it for me, and according to the poll anyone else either (apart from one person), so if Flynn or Manning aint happening then we're forced to take a QB in the draft. That means a trade up for RGIII and taking less players for other key positions or taking Tannehill, who would need a little work before he's a starter. Maybe.

That's how I see it, however I have a feeling that Shanny actually rates Orton and thinks he could do a job here. That's an opinion I don't share, but the only opinion that counts at the end of the day is Shannys...

We are desperate at qb, w the available FA the draft is the only option. Outside of manning (not 100% possibility of re injury) there isn't any GOOD - better then good qbs available. Orton is a bum Flynn has played 2 whole games w a great supporting cast against weak defenses.
This tells me that Mike needs to make a desperate move in the draft and pick up RGIII or Luck if indy thinks like I do. Either guy will be an upgrade get better w time and be the FACE of the redskins well into the future. Not a single qb on that list is on that same level. Franchise QB? What's that.
All in on RGIII

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:Orton doesn't do it for me, and according to the poll anyone else either (apart from one person), so if Flynn or Manning aint happening then we're forced to take a QB in the draft. That means a trade up for RGIII and taking less players for other key positions or taking Tannehill, who would need a little work before he's a starter. Maybe.

Orton doesn't do anything for me either. If the Skins announce in a few weeks that they signed Orton or they re-signed Rex I will feel about the same either way.

I just didn't think the comments about Orton v. Tebow really have much bearing on whether or not the Skins should take a look at him. The guy is a journeyman QB who has been better than average at times. (Gus Frerotte anyone?) If they think he could play as well as Rex minus the insane turnovers, I could see him as a placeholder for Tannehill or a backup for RGIII. He could have better opportunities than that though.

Options at QB are pretty depressing this year, aren't they??

riggofan wrote:

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:Orton doesn't do it for me, and according to the poll anyone else either (apart from one person), so if Flynn or Manning aint happening then we're forced to take a QB in the draft. That means a trade up for RGIII and taking less players for other key positions or taking Tannehill, who would need a little work before he's a starter. Maybe.

Orton doesn't do anything for me either. If the Skins announce in a few weeks that they signed Orton or they re-signed Rex I will feel about the same either way.

I just didn't think the comments about Orton v. Tebow really have much bearing on whether or not the Skins should take a look at him. The guy is a journeyman QB who has been better than average at times. (Gus Frerotte anyone?) If they think he could play as well as Rex minus the insane turnovers, I could see him as a placeholder for Tannehill or a backup for RGIII. He could have better opportunities than that though.

Options at QB are pretty depressing this year, aren't they??

They are for sure.

We should be thankful about the cap situation, we can afford to trade up for RGIII and still bring in an experienced lineman to help protect him and an experienced WR for him to throw to.

We could then use our remaining draft picks on: CB, S, ILB, WR, OL and suddenly we have strength in depth!