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You are over reacting to RiC's statement.

I would be willing to bet, that if Oreo's were illegal... and you were told One more bite, and you will lose 3 months pay... you'd be dumping the Oreo's.

This was NOT the first positive for these clowns. So... why could they not resist the temptation. There is NO evidence that THC, nor it's metabolites cause physical addiction... that's true... But the inability to refrain from a substance, knowing the consequences... despite warning...

Maybe it's just pure stupid. Maybe it's the omnipotence of youth... and maybe it's a psychological dependence... it doesn't matter.

RiC's valid point doesn't change, simply because you can point to a technical error in his statement. These two need to man up, behave as mature adults with some responsibility. This is not JUST about them. They are letting people down.

riggofan wrote:These guys are addicted to marijuana like I am addicted to Oreos.

They cost themselves hundreds of thousands of dollars and put themselves on the brink of being suspended for an entire year because twice they couldn't smoke pot in the off season, and you think they don't have an addiction?

Redskin in Canada wrote:Let's stop the hypocrisy and double standards. Making it illegal only fuels billions of dollars to the worst criminal elements around the world.

BUT if the LAW is the LAW and the NFL has rules, a player MUST abide by them when he joins that overpaid and exclusive "club". People would lose their jobs very quickly in several other professional fields if they are caught working under the influence.

I totally agree with you on legalizing drugs. I'd have nothing illegal for the reasons you state as well as it's no business of the State what people do with their own bodies. Though I still think the NFL should have the same rules. Not sure you disagree with that, just saying.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:Let's stop the hypocrisy and double standards. Making it illegal only fuels billions of dollars to the worst criminal elements around the world.

BUT if the LAW is the LAW and the NFL has rules, a player MUST abide by them when he joins that overpaid and exclusive "club". People would lose their jobs very quickly in several other professional fields if they are caught working under the influence.

I totally agree with you on legalizing drugs. I'd have nothing illegal for the reasons you state as well as it's no business of the State what people do with their own bodies. Though I still think the NFL should have the same rules. Not sure you disagree with that, just saying.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to leaglize everything. Some drugs have been proven to be highly addictive to the point of people becoming delusional and violent in order to obtain them....Weed, not so much.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

riggofan wrote:These guys are addicted to marijuana like I am addicted to Oreos.

They cost themselves hundreds of thousands of dollars and put themselves on the brink of being suspended for an entire year because twice they couldn't smoke pot in the off season, and you think they don't have an addiction?

What you are describing is POOR JUDGEMENT not ADDICTION.

The definition of being an addict isn't "getting caught". So I'm going to assume you have personally examined both Fred and Trent or know the team doctor or something to know that they are both physically and mentally dependent on marijuana.

frankcal20 wrote:Saw on twitter that the Skins will be using their franchise tag on Fred Davis. Makes total sense to me. Costs will not be too high based on the level of talent the guy has. Just hope he's put the weed down for good.

If Williams or Davis are involved with drugs again they will not be here - no doubt about it

I'm sure that Williams, Davis and Landry are all here in 2012

Countertrey wrote:You are over reacting to RiC's statement.

I would be willing to bet, that if Oreo's were illegal... and you were told One more bite, and you will lose 3 months pay... you'd be dumping the Oreo's.

This was NOT the first positive for these clowns. So... why could they not resist the temptation. There is NO evidence that THC, nor it's metabolites cause physical addiction... that's true... But the inability to refrain from a substance, knowing the consequences... despite warning...

Maybe it's just pure stupid. Maybe it's the omnipotence of youth... and maybe it's a psychological dependence... it doesn't matter.

RiC's valid point doesn't change, simply because you can point to a technical error in his statement. These two need to man up, behave as mature adults with some responsibility. This is not JUST about them. They are letting people down.

I'm not trying to overreact to his statement. In fact, I said I agreed with everything he said EXCEPT calling the guys addicts. There is a HUGE difference in being a young guy, trying to get away with something and getting caught and being a DRUG ADDICT.

And I'm sorry, but it does matter. You don't put the franchise tag on A DRUG ADDICT.

RiC is not naive... his use of the term "addict" was not intended for literal interpretation...

And, you were not alone in overeacting.

I'm sure that Williams, Davis and Landry are all here in 2012

Agree about Williams and Davis, disagree about Landry. I don't think he's back, especially after his comments about the Skins' handling of his injury.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

I'm sure that Williams, Davis and Landry are all here in 2012

Agree about Williams and Davis, disagree about Landry. I don't think he's back, especially after his comments about the Skins' handling of his injury.

But he also followed it up by stating he's eager to meet his new coach and yadda yadda yadda.... So, I don't think it was that bad at all. They just have a differing opinion on which direction to head.

Duplicate. See below.

Weather you want to lable them as addicted or not is beside the point. If you were told that you would be given random tests to check to see if you had alcohol in your system when you were at work and you failed three (or four) of those tests in a year, then my friend you are an alcoholic!

If you don't want to call it addicted, then fine, but they have a problem with the wacky tabacy or they are just incredibly stupid! They failed three or four test! The suspension was supposed to be for a year, but Bruce Allen (and their player reps) negotiated down to four games.

These guys are either addicted or retarded!

(by the way, you can be addicted to Oreos. It is called carbohydrate craving disorder.)

I'm for legalizing all drugs. Tax the hell out of them, regulate them, and stop wasting billions of dollars on the war on drugs. A war we can't win.

Prohibition proved that. By making alcohol illegal all we did was criminalize it. Made it more expensive and more dangerous to get. The people that wanted to drink still drank. Just like drugs. The people that want to do drugs, are doing them. Why not make it safer and collect some taxes, while eliminating a huge burden from our law enforcement agencies?

But until then, Tokey and Dopey have to work within the NFL guidelines. And they are a huge risk to be gone for a year! I bet, within two years, one of the two will fail their fourth (or fifth) test.

riggofan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

riggofan wrote:These guys are addicted to marijuana like I am addicted to Oreos.

They cost themselves hundreds of thousands of dollars and put themselves on the brink of being suspended for an entire year because twice they couldn't smoke pot in the off season, and you think they don't have an addiction?

What you are describing is POOR JUDGEMENT not ADDICTION.

The definition of being an addict isn't "getting caught". So I'm going to assume you have personally examined both Fred and Trent or know the team doctor or something to know that they are both physically and mentally dependent on marijuana.

What a stupid post, I'll pass on addressing the inane points

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

I'm sure that Williams, Davis and Landry are all here in 2012

Agree about Williams and Davis, disagree about Landry. I don't think he's back, especially after his comments about the Skins' handling of his injury.

But he also followed it up by stating he's eager to meet his new coach and yadda yadda yadda.... So, I don't think it was that bad at all. They just have a differing opinion on which direction to head.

True, but if the Skins don't believe that his choice of medial treatment will fix the problem, why would they re-sign him?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

riggofan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

riggofan wrote:These guys are addicted to marijuana like I am addicted to Oreos.

They cost themselves hundreds of thousands of dollars and put themselves on the brink of being suspended for an entire year because twice they couldn't smoke pot in the off season, and you think they don't have an addiction?

What you are describing is POOR JUDGEMENT not ADDICTION.

The definition of being an addict isn't "getting caught". So I'm going to assume you have personally examined both Fred and Trent or know the team doctor or something to know that they are both physically and mentally dependent on marijuana.

What a stupid post, I'll pass on addressing the inane points

How big of you.

skinsfan#33 wrote:Weather you want to lable them as addicted or not is beside the point. If you were told that you would be given random tests to check to see if you had alcohol in your system when you were at work and you failed three (or four) of those tests in a year, then my friend you are an alcoholic!

If you don't want to call it addicted, then fine, but they have a problem with the wacky tabacy or they are just incredibly stupid! They failed three or four test! The suspension was supposed to be for a year, but Bruce Allen (and their player reps) negotiated down to four games.

These guys are either addicted or retarded!

(by the way, you can be addicted to Oreos. It is called carbohydrate craving disorder.)

I'm for legalizing all drugs. Tax the hell out of them, regulate them, and stop wasting billions of dollars on the war on drugs. A war we can't win.

Prohibition proved that. By making alcohol illegal all we did was criminalize it. Made it more expensive and more dangerous to get. The people that wanted to drink still drank. Just like drugs. The people that want to do drugs, are doing them. Why not make it safer and collect some taxes, while eliminating a huge burden from our law enforcement agencies?

But until then, Tokey and Dopey have to work within the NFL guidelines. And they are a huge risk to be gone for a year! I bet, within two years, one of the two will fail their fourth (or fifth) test.

This is a GREAT POST and I subscribe to ALL points made on it.

We agree that a highly paid player in the NFL must be retarded or addicted to put his entire career at risk and harm himself, his team and his family.

I was assuming they are not retarded though. So, the only other option is ADDICTED. By the way, MJ is LESS addictive than many other drugs but it is STILL addictive.

Make MJ LEGAL. Tobacco and alcohol are addictive too. Society will handle them better if they are legal than if the criminal element is allowed to profit from MJ.

riggofan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

riggofan wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

riggofan wrote:These guys are addicted to marijuana like I am addicted to Oreos.

They cost themselves hundreds of thousands of dollars and put themselves on the brink of being suspended for an entire year because twice they couldn't smoke pot in the off season, and you think they don't have an addiction?

What you are describing is POOR JUDGEMENT not ADDICTION.

The definition of being an addict isn't "getting caught". So I'm going to assume you have personally examined both Fred and Trent or know the team doctor or something to know that they are both physically and mentally dependent on marijuana.

What a stupid post, I'll pass on addressing the inane points

How big of you.

From the guy who wrote the bolded part...

skinsfan#33 wrote:Weather you want to lable them as addicted or not is beside the point. If you were told that you would be given random tests to check to see if you had alcohol in your system when you were at work and you failed three (or four) of those tests in a year, then my friend you are an alcoholic!

If you don't want to call it addicted, then fine, but they have a problem with the wacky tabacy or they are just incredibly stupid! They failed three or four test! The suspension was supposed to be for a year, but Bruce Allen (and their player reps) negotiated down to four games.

These guys are either addicted or retarded!

(by the way, you can be addicted to Oreos. It is called carbohydrate craving disorder.)

I'm for legalizing all drugs. Tax the hell out of them, regulate them, and stop wasting billions of dollars on the war on drugs. A war we can't win.

Prohibition proved that. By making alcohol illegal all we did was criminalize it. Made it more expensive and more dangerous to get. The people that wanted to drink still drank. Just like drugs. The people that want to do drugs, are doing them. Why not make it safer and collect some taxes, while eliminating a huge burden from our law enforcement agencies?

But until then, Tokey and Dopey have to work within the NFL guidelines. And they are a huge risk to be gone for a year! I bet, within two years, one of the two will fail their fourth (or fifth) test.

This poster is one of the few that I believe says something intelligent and RIGHT damn near every time. Needless to say, I agree. I actually took heat this offseason when I started a thread questioning Trent Williams' commitment given the way he lied a waffled about not getting the email on the offseason player workouts that people like Fletcher and ey attended.

As I said then, and as SkinsFan33 is saying now, they both need to shape up. I'd prefer that occur on our roster though. I am more optimistic about Davis because while obviously stupid, he seems to be more dedicated to football and improvement than Williams does.

Williams came with a big sticker that said "Buyer Beware: Player is prone to laziness." And, he's done nothing to show that has changed. He looks more like a Right Tackle, and has been hurt several times his first couple of seasons. Add in his WEED HABIT and you've got a recipe for Haynesworthlessness. Let's hope he gets it before a contract year.

riggofan wrote:What you are describing is POOR JUDGEMENT not ADDICTION.
The definition of being an addict isn't "getting caught".
So I'm going to assume you have personally examined both Fred and Trent or know the team doctor or something to know that they are both physically and mentally dependent on marijuana.

What is the desciption that covers this then?

They were both caught and were informed clearly of the ramifications - then .... they decided to do it again

they chose to do something even though they knew (because they were caught before) that they were going to get caught again

That is not being able to resist and that is VERY close to the desciption of being addicted

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:What you are describing is POOR JUDGEMENT not ADDICTION.
The definition of being an addict isn't "getting caught".
So I'm going to assume you have personally examined both Fred and Trent or know the team doctor or something to know that they are both physically and mentally dependent on marijuana.

What is the desciption that covers this then?

They were both caught and were informed clearly of the ramifications - then .... they decided to do it again

they chose to do something even though they knew (because they were caught before) that they were going to get caught again

That is not being able to resist and that is VERY close to the desciption of being addicted

You just described stupidity and immaturity.

Kind of - also pretty close to "I can't say no ... "

"they aren't going to catch me ..."

"they already tested me twice ... why would they do it again .... "

I can hear it now ... "I made a mistake ... I'm really immature .... I'm stupid ... but you know what, I'm really good at football, so it doesn't really matter, does it "




you know what - the Redskins really need these guys ... if it was my team, as soon as I could, I'd let 'em both go

stupid and immature stopped when they cashed that check

I would try to get something for them. Maybe thats what you meant. I am not all that impressed with Trent anyway but he is all we have.

People are arguing over nuance... shades of gray...

Whatever...

The Hogster wrote:Williams came with a big sticker that said "Buyer Beware: Player is prone to laziness."

That could be the dope.

Countertrey wrote:

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:We need him and he deserves another chance.

If he fouls up again then he's beyond stupid. We need to use our picks and trades on other key positions, TE isn't one of those positions with Davis and ey in support, and you can't say that about any other position other than maybe Linebacker and possibly RB.

You do realize that the suspension tells us that this is not the first time that he tested positive, right? Clearly, Fred and Trent are demonstrating that they are not the sharpest blades in the box. They are now working on their 3rd chance....

Two positives how far apart? Canabinoids can take upwards of 6 weeks to clear from the system, so a single " event" can create multiple positive tests over time. As the NFL uses the more expensive, hence more accurate and sensitive testing methods involving mass spectometry, I think it more likely that both Davis and Williams fell prey to the delusion that they could party 'just this one time' with their buddies during the lockout and clear their systems. If it had been simple reagent testing they probably could have passed. I doubt that either is an addict, and I sincerely hope both remain Skins for as long as their talents last