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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:49 pm
by Kilmer72
SprintRightOption wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:You can't coach natural talent and until we get some top tier talent at WR, any coach will look bad.


Have you been talking to Donavan McNabb?



Donavan was a little different. Remember that at one time James Thrash was his top receiver. His problem was he was not able to do what our coaches wanted him to do. That is what Philly fans have told me that made them upset with him.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:13 pm
by Countertrey
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:You can't coach natural talent and until we get some top tier talent at WR, any coach will look bad.


Then why fired McCardell?


The writing was on the wall with him since last year... he was, apparently, the only offense coach not offered a new contract then. Look, the head coach, OC, and DC have every reason to have staff that they feel they can work with... apparently, that wasn't true of McCardell, for what ever reason. May not be "fair", but so what?

Regarding using a "new" coach... well... they all started somewhere.

Chris, you are right... you can't coach talent... but you can coach the system, technique, reads, and routes... some coaches do that better than others.

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:24 am
by Deadskins
Kilmer72 wrote:And by the way other than Norv, Joe Gibbs II is the most successful coach we have had under Snyder.

He was more successful than Norv too.

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:42 pm
by Steve Spurrier III
Deadskins wrote:He was more successful than Norv too.


On the whole, but not under Snyder, who bought the team in May 1999.

Turner 17-12 regular season, 1-1 playoffs
Gibbs 30-34 regular season, 1-2 playoffs

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:38 pm
by Deadskins
Steve Spurrier III wrote:
Deadskins wrote:He was more successful than Norv too.


On the whole, but not under Snyder, who bought the team in May 1999.

Turner 17-12 regular season, 1-1 playoffs
Gibbs 30-34 regular season, 1-2 playoffs


Gibbs II made the playoffs twice in four seasons, Norval only once.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:01 am
by jmooney
McCardell to Hilliard is a lateral move IMO. I dont think Jerry Rice could have gotten much better play out of this group of recievers considering QB play. I have bigger concerns on the coaching staff.

Keeping a Shannahan "yes man" (Matt Lefluer) on board, after the failure of every guy hes coached since he's been here? really?

And this is the guy we are going to trust to mold a future franchise QB for us? He was another guy that raved about Beck last summer. I dont know whether he believed it but, it kept his job for him. It sure wasnt the way he coached up Beck and Grossman. Neither one of those guys showed any progress in play or decision making. Yeah, he was here for the McNabb mess too.

Its obvious to me, these coaching changes are'nt perfomance based, otherwise Lefluer's butt would have been the first one to hit the sidewalk.

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:43 am
by SkinsJock
No matter how good a coach is there is little he can do when he doesn't have the players with talent to work with

I'd agree that the offense has many issues AND that the OC needs to game plan and play call to suit the players he has more than just doing what he thinks will work - I just don't think that much of the blame is on the position coaches as it is a result of the years of player acquisition here with no regard for building an offense that has players that make each other better

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:38 pm
by SCSkinsFan
Anyone care to remember the name, Charley Taylor? Skins HOF WR went to the Super Bowl as a player, and also went to the Super Bowl as the WR Coach under Joe Gibbs. :D Of course that's so long ago that it might be hard for some of you guys to remember. :roll: :wink: :)

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:45 pm
by The Hogster
SCSkinsFan wrote:Anyone care to remember the name, Charley Taylor? Skins HOF WR went to the Super Bowl as a player, and also went to the Super Bowl as the WR Coach under Joe Gibbs. :D Of course that's so long ago that it might be hard for some of you guys to remember. :roll: :wink: :)


I remember him. And, I know his daughter personally. :wink:
Great player.

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:47 pm
by GoSkins
SCSkinsFan wrote:Anyone care to remember the name, Charley Taylor? Skins HOF WR went to the Super Bowl as a player, and also went to the Super Bowl as the WR Coach under Joe Gibbs. :D Of course that's so long ago that it might be hard for some of you guys to remember. :roll: :wink: :)


Those were great times; Sonny and Charley.

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:30 pm
by Countertrey
GoSkins wrote:
SCSkinsFan wrote:Anyone care to remember the name, Charley Taylor? Skins HOF WR went to the Super Bowl as a player, and also went to the Super Bowl as the WR Coach under Joe Gibbs. :D Of course that's so long ago that it might be hard for some of you guys to remember. :roll: :wink: :)


Those were great times; Sonny and Charley.


Yes... Sonny, Charley, Bobby Mitchell, and Jerry Smith. 3 are in the HOF... it's a travesty that the 4th isn't. But, yes... great memories.

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:57 pm
by 1niksder
jmooney wrote: Keeping a Shannahan "yes man" (Matt Lefluer) on board, after the failure of every guy hes coached since he's been here? really?


Lafluer worked with McNabb, Grossman, and Beck... Lafluer is a Quarterbacks coach, he needs a QB to coach. Matt Schaub didn't do to bad when he was his coach.

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:36 am
by DarthMonk
1niksder wrote:
jmooney wrote: Keeping a Shannahan "yes man" (Matt Lefluer) on board, after the failure of every guy hes coached since he's been here? really?


Lafluer worked with McNabb, Grossman, and Beck... Lafluer is a Quarterbacks coach, he needs a QB to coach. Matt Schaub didn't do to bad when he was his coach.


It sure would be nice to have a healthy Matt Schaub type as our QB along with some beast WR.

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:43 pm
by jmooney
I thought Shaub was a good QB before he left Atlanta. I dont know how much Lafluer had to do to adjust his game. Ill Agree that Shaub has more talent than the others. My point was that you saw little to no improvement out of the position regardless who was playing.

OK, so Beck only got 3 starts but, you saw Grossman making the same mistakes week in and week out. If you are going to get rid of personnel based on performance, hes gotta go. If he cant tweak a vetran QB's game, how do we trust him with a rookie?

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:05 pm
by SCSkinsFan
Countertrey wrote:
GoSkins wrote:
SCSkinsFan wrote:Anyone care to remember the name, Charley Taylor? Skins HOF WR went to the Super Bowl as a player, and also went to the Super Bowl as the WR Coach under Joe Gibbs. :D Of course that's so long ago that it might be hard for some of you guys to remember. :roll: :wink: :)


Those were great times; Sonny and Charley.


Yes... Sonny, Charley, Bobby Mitchell, and Jerry Smith. 3 are in the HOF... it's a travesty that the 4th isn't. But, yes... great memories.


3 out 4 of those past greats are in my Avatar. :D Ah, those were days. =D> :hail: :celebrate:

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:02 am
by 1niksder
jmooney wrote:I thought Shaub was a good QB before he left Atlanta. I dont know how much Lafluer had to do to adjust his game. Ill Agree that Shaub has more talent than the others. My point was that you saw little to no improvement out of the position regardless who was playing.


Shaub had a 7-11 W-L record in Atlanta, he completed 104 of 164 passes for 1033 yards 6 picks and 6 TDs, he wasn't bad but his best years as a pro were the two that Lafluer was his coach.

jmooney wrote:OK, so Beck only got 3 starts but, you saw Grossman making the same mistakes week in and week out. If you are going to get rid of personnel based on performance, hes gotta go. If he cant tweak a vetran QB's game, how do we trust him with a rookie?

Actually they have to decide if its the coach or the players, MS said can get rid of the coach or the QB... McNabb was traded and it ain't looking too good for Grossman.

I'm thinking they just went in a different direction with the WRs coaching position

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:16 pm
by HarleyHog
riggofan wrote:Next thing you know we'll be scrutinizing the secretarial staff.


Now that you mention it, they have ranked in the lower third for the last four years in post-it notes and were dead last in call answering efficiency in the red zone this year. I think we need some new talent.

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:46 pm
by langleyparkjoe
Chris Luva Luva wrote:1. Our WR's are some bums.
2. Our QB is a bum.
3. The line can be shaky.


4. Our WR's are shorter than Danny Devito

:lol: