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I really think that this staff will ONLY keep the players that want to do WHATEVER it takes to help this franchise going forward

I'm VERY sure that Landry is one of those players

Here is the part I will catch hell. People say he couldn't catch, people will say he got beat, people will say he wasn't a game changer. I will say he wasn't the best corner in the world but he was the best we had since Green. Not really comparing him to a hall of famer but... Green didn't catch very often either. He was known for batting balls down. They attack Hall all day long. (the interceptor) As long as you don't score you aren't doing all that bad. I understand he wasn't in Green class but lets be real here.

I also understand the point that he didn't need a contract that cost to much. He didn't want to be here because he probably felt like he could do better somewhere else.

Kilmer72 wrote:Here is the part I will catch hell. People say he couldn't catch, people will say he got beat, people will say he wasn't a game changer. I will say he wasn't the best corner in the world but he was the best we had since Green. Not really comparing him to a hall of famer but... Green didn't catch very often either. He was known for batting balls down. They attack Hall all day long. (the interceptor) As long as you don't score you aren't doing all that bad. I understand he wasn't in Green class but lets be real here.

I also understand the point that he didn't need a contract that cost to much. He didn't want to be here because he probably felt like he could do better somewhere else.

I'm not sure why you'd catch hell for that post . . . that's a fairly common view on THN. I'd put a one or two other corners above Rogers after Green (namely, Champ Bailey), but I basically agree with you.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:Here is the part I will catch hell. People say he couldn't catch, people will say he got beat, people will say he wasn't a game changer. I will say he wasn't the best corner in the world but he was the best we had since Green. Not really comparing him to a hall of famer but... Green didn't catch very often either. He was known for batting balls down. They attack Hall all day long. (the interceptor) As long as you don't score you aren't doing all that bad. I understand he wasn't in Green class but lets be real here.

I also understand the point that he didn't need a contract that cost to much. He didn't want to be here because he probably felt like he could do better somewhere else.

I'm not sure why you'd catch hell for that post . . . that's a fairly common view on THN. I'd put a one or two other corners above Rogers after Green (namely, Champ Bailey), but I basically agree with you.

you are right I forgot about champ

Irn-Bru wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:Here is the part I will catch hell. People say he couldn't catch, people will say he got beat, people will say he wasn't a game changer. I will say he wasn't the best corner in the world but he was the best we had since Green. Not really comparing him to a hall of famer but... Green didn't catch very often either. He was known for batting balls down. They attack Hall all day long. (the interceptor) As long as you don't score you aren't doing all that bad. I understand he wasn't in Green class but lets be real here.

I also understand the point that he didn't need a contract that cost to much. He didn't want to be here because he probably felt like he could do better somewhere else.

I'm not sure why you'd catch hell for that post . . . that's a fairly common view on THN. I'd put a one or two other corners above Rogers after Green (namely, Champ Bailey), but I basically agree with you.

Oh and to answer your question completely... it is also common on THN to say that Carlos wasn't deserving of a contract. I agree he also had many mishaps but for the most part he is the last corner we had that could stick like glue if someone called it (man to man). I miss the days of Williams coaching. I really miss his predecessors. I guess I am just old school and expect the Skins to actually cover with out having a 10+ yard separation.

Countertrey wrote:My view on Carlos' ramblings...

thanks Trey - that about sums it up for me too

there are a number of players that have left the Redskins and gone on to play well elsewhere - this is not going to change - it happens to other franchises as well - we also will continue to hear from these players as the media loves to get these 'reports' and make more of them than is actually there

Rogers was not a bad CB at all while with the Redskins - good luck to him - to imply that he might have played differently here is just not worth really going into - this is just another case of sour grapes - it happens

EVERY franchise is better off without ANY player that does not want to try their hardest and give their best on each and every play


implying that things might have been different if a player were to stay on a team is just so pointless and cannot be substantiated

The Hogster wrote:I wonder what guys want out now? Let them leave.

Players come here for the paycheck. They know Snyder is an idiot and is willing to pay BEFORE they start contributing for the franchise. Once they get here and see the disfunction, they want to leave. Personally, I think that since MS got here, he has worked very hard to create some sort of structure.

We have to realize that this franchise has been CONSISTENTLY making poor decisions for the past 15 years. It is going to take more than a couple years to make that up -- but (and I say this as someone extremely skeptic initially) I believe that MS and BA have made the correct decisions since coming here. They have not traded away picks, they have made solid FA choices and drafted half-decent (although I am hoping for improvement).

But I am not surprised that players don't like playing for the skins. There is no loyalty within the organization. You get ABSOLUTELY NO sense of "family" like you see with other teams. As long as Snyder makes decisions or sets the tone for the franchise, it will not be successful. MS and BA need to be the figure-heads moving forward.

markshark84 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I wonder what guys want out now? Let them leave.

Players come here for the paycheck. They know Snyder is an idiot and is willing to pay BEFORE they start contributing for the franchise. Once they get here and see the disfunction, they want to leave. Personally, I think that since MS got here, he has worked very hard to create some sort of structure.

We have to realize that this franchise has been CONSISTENTLY making poor decisions for the past 15 years. It is going to take more than a couple years to make that up -- but (and I say this as someone extremely skeptic initially) I believe that MS and BA have made the correct decisions since coming here. They have not traded away picks, they have made solid FA choices and drafted half-decent (although I am hoping for improvement).

But I am not surprised that players don't like playing for the skins. There is no loyalty within the organization. You get ABSOLUTELY NO sense of "family" like you see with other teams. As long as Snyder makes decisions or sets the tone for the franchise, it will not be successful. MS and BA need to be the figure-heads moving forward.

Did you make this post in 2009 and paste it here? LOL Your points used to be true. Mike and Bruce are and have been the figure heads since day 1.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I wonder what guys want out now? Let them leave.

Players come here for the paycheck. They know Snyder is an idiot and is willing to pay BEFORE they start contributing for the franchise. Once they get here and see the disfunction, they want to leave. Personally, I think that since MS got here, he has worked very hard to create some sort of structure.

We have to realize that this franchise has been CONSISTENTLY making poor decisions for the past 15 years. It is going to take more than a couple years to make that up -- but (and I say this as someone extremely skeptic initially) I believe that MS and BA have made the correct decisions since coming here. They have not traded away picks, they have made solid FA choices and drafted half-decent (although I am hoping for improvement).

But I am not surprised that players don't like playing for the skins. There is no loyalty within the organization. You get ABSOLUTELY NO sense of "family" like you see with other teams. As long as Snyder makes decisions or sets the tone for the franchise, it will not be successful. MS and BA need to be the figure-heads moving forward.

Did you make this post in 2009 and paste it here? LOL Your points used to be true. Mike and Bruce are and have been the figure heads since day 1.

You may be absolutely correct, but I find it difficult to see Snyder giving up complete control of the team. In addition, the "loyal" and "family" comments were more of what I was refering to when it comes to Snyder. It all comes from the top -- Snyder has a history of high turnover and I think that resonates with players and coaches.

markshark84 wrote:You may be absolutely correct, but I find it difficult to see Snyder giving up complete control of the team. In addition, the "loyal" and "family" comments were more of what I was refering to when it comes to Snyder. It all comes from the top -- Snyder has a history of high turnover and I think that resonates with players and coaches.

I can't blame you for ur disbelief. I'm shocked that I believe it. lol

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I wonder what guys want out now? Let them leave.

Players come here for the paycheck. They know Snyder is an idiot and is willing to pay BEFORE they start contributing for the franchise. Once they get here and see the disfunction, they want to leave. Personally, I think that since MS got here, he has worked very hard to create some sort of structure.

We have to realize that this franchise has been CONSISTENTLY making poor decisions for the past 15 years. It is going to take more than a couple years to make that up -- but (and I say this as someone extremely skeptic initially) I believe that MS and BA have made the correct decisions since coming here. They have not traded away picks, they have made solid FA choices and drafted half-decent (although I am hoping for improvement).

But I am not surprised that players don't like playing for the skins. There is no loyalty within the organization. You get ABSOLUTELY NO sense of "family" like you see with other teams. As long as Snyder makes decisions or sets the tone for the franchise, it will not be successful. MS and BA need to be the figure-heads moving forward.

Did you make this post in 2009 and paste it here? LOL Your points used to be true. Mike and Bruce are and have been the figure heads since day 1.

I don't buy it. The McNabb trade had Snyder written all over it.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

markshark84 wrote:You may be absolutely correct, but I find it difficult to see Snyder giving up complete control of the team. In addition, the "loyal" and "family" comments were more of what I was refering to when it comes to Snyder. It all comes from the top -- Snyder has a history of high turnover and I think that resonates with players and coaches.

I can't blame you for ur disbelief. I'm shocked that I believe it.

Mike Shanahan would not be here without a clear agreement & contract promise from Dan Snyder that he would have complete control

HOPEFULLY, Snyder stays away - we'll know he's involved if this FO starts making stupid deals




anyway - Rogers probably wants to mouth off because he may feel that Snyder never paid him what he was worth

He sounds like a man with a bit of an agenda

CanesSkins26 wrote:I don't buy it. The McNabb trade had Snyder written all over it.

Perhaps. I go back and forth on that myself. (I wonder if it was one of the things Snyder insisted on before the hire?) Shanahan takes responsibility for it, so in a sense I guess it doesn't really matter now.

But the more important question is: has anything they've done since then that had Snyder written all over it?

I think Snyder isn't nearly as involved now as some might think. I think Mike S blew it on the McNabb trade - he overestimated the talent on this team and overestimated what McNabb could do. Other than that, I like what we've done. Addition by subtraction, and acquiring more young players through the draft.

The Hogster wrote:I think Snyder isn't nearly as involved now as some might think. I think Mike S blew it on the McNabb trade - he overestimated the talent on this team and overestimated what McNabb could do. Other than that, I like what we've done. Addition by subtraction, and acquiring more young players through the draft.

+1

I would add that the McNabb trade looked so bad that some may have thought it could only have been made with the help of the worst NFL player evaluator in NFL history

Snyder didn't have ANYTHING to do with the McNabb trade - that was a huge mistake by Mike - he had to do something, he knew that Campbell was NEVER, EVER going to help - ESPECIALLY given the O line and other issues on offense

that's done - he's moved on

I'm looking forward to the next 6 months here

SkinsJock wrote:Snyder didn't have ANYTHING to do with the McNabb trade - that was a huge mistake by Mike

Damn! I thought MS could do no wrong in your eyes.

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Snyder didn't have ANYTHING to do with the McNabb trade - that was a huge mistake by Mike

Damn! I thought MS could do no wrong in your eyes.

to be clear - I don't like the man and never really have

seems to be something that he's not IMO


BUT ... despite the mistakes, this FO has brought this club back to a level that we could be a viable playoff contender in 2012

that is amazing ..... the quality of play and leadership from the QB has to improve

I wonder if Carlos Rogers is still reflecting on his time with the Skins?

^ +1... though, I will say... the loss can't be pinned on him... he laid it out, and, other than some trouble tracking Cruz, played very well... it certainly wasn't HIS fault that SF had a 5th string WR who was a one man turnover machine...