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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:11 am
by Countertrey
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:If we end up on the clock at #6 I hope we will have already signed a guy like Bowe and then trade down. We showed last year that this is not as difficult to do as some might think.


It's not easy or difficult, it's opportunistic. Someone has to WANT your pick enough to give you value for it. You should always be open to it, you should never count on it.


Perfectly stated... I have been trying to frame this for a year... and you did it for me. People talk about trading down as though it's as easy as shopping at Staples. It's not. You MUST own a pick that someone else wants badly enough to give you value for it.

Sometimes it happens... sometimes it doesnt. We do know that, unless the player that MS wants is there, he is open to a value offer for the pick.

I'm good with that... seems he knew what he was doing last year...

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:27 am
by Chris Luva Luva
KazooSkinsFan wrote:It's not easy or difficult, it's opportunistic. Someone has to WANT your pick enough to give you value for it. You should always be open to it, you should never count on it.


Perfectly stated.

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:48 pm
by riggofan
One other point about that #6 pick: if you can trade down and pick up some more picks that is awesome. But if you have to stay at 6, I think the new rookie pay scale changes your options. I think you can "reach" on a player because the money involved isn't so outlandish anymore.

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:57 pm
by SkinsJock
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:It's not easy or difficult, it's opportunistic. Someone has to WANT your pick enough to give you value for it. You should always be open to it, you should never count on it.

Perfectly stated.


totally agree also

the FO will have a player available at the #6 spot that will help them complete a trade deal

I'm not against using the pick - HOPEFULLY, this FO only trades down NOT up

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:24 pm
by SkinsJock
KazooSkinsFan wrote:You don't know what you're talking about. A good receiver is actually a glaring need that we have. There's no way we pass taking Blackmon because he's a receiver. If we can't get Luck or Griffin and he's there, he'd be an excellent choice. With that high a pick, you have to take a player with talent..


Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about :lol:

Be interesting to see this 'glaring need' at WR explained AFTER we bring in at least 1 and possibly 2 WR thru free agency

last I heard we will have the opportunity to bring in free agents BEFORE the draft
I'd expect a number of offensive glaring needs to be addressed through free agency

maybe Blackmon is there at #6 - gotta be a number of teams that will want him :wink:

we're NOT taking him because we've either traded down OR do not see him as the incredible player that you do :roll:

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:02 pm
by DarthMonk
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
DarthMonk wrote:If we end up on the clock at #6 I hope we will have already signed a guy like Bowe and then trade down. We showed last year that this is not as difficult to do as some might think.


It's not easy or difficult, it's opportunistic. Someone has to WANT your pick enough to give you value for it. You should always be open to it, you should never count on it.


So therefore it is easy if someone wants your pick and difficult if no one does. Or I guess it's still easy if you trade down for inadequate value and still difficult if you want the Moon and no one is willing to be an idiot.

So yeah, OK, not easy or difficult. :roll:

My point was last year I read post after post about how tough it is to trade down and we managed to do it again and again ... and again - thus - it is not as difficult to do as some might think.

Anyway, yeah, we should always be open to it, never count on it, but, by the same token, we should never assume it can't be done.