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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:08 am
by 1niksder
SkinsJock wrote:Is there anyone on this staff that you think is any good Canes?
given that there's a good chance that you're going to have to watch them coaching here for another season
is there any chance of this franchise being worth watching? - in your opinion, of course
Shanny said there would be staff changes, Haslett is a good administrator, team or just on the defensive side ball. So on Sunday at kickoff his units are ready to go, now should a adjustment be needed then.. "Houston we have a problem" is the first thing to come mind when thinking about Haslett. I really haven't seen a half time adjustment in 2 years. Still I don't see him going anywhere (his name was dropped for HC gig but I can't find it now (wasn't gonna happen anyway)). Morris is from the true "Tampa 2", that grew into all the other "Tampa" schemes. As a DB coach if nothing else, we won't see corners playing 11 yards off the receiver on 3rd and 8.
Raheem Morris going to the Skins....?
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:56 am
by tribeofjudah
Speculation ABOUNDS..........
Morris connected to Redskins If the Redskins are talking to Raheem Morris, it is most likely a product of exploring options as a position coach and not to be the defensive coordinator.
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:25 am
by 1niksder
Morris was en route to Minneapolis on Thursday from Washington, D.C., where he met with the Redskins regarding a defensive backs coaching job, the sources said.
Morris will meet with Vikings coach Leslie Frazier and newly named general manager Rick Spielman to discuss a possible job as defensive coordinator or assistant head coach/defense.
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:03 am
by Chris Luva Luva
I find it hard to believe he'd take a position coach gig over DC....
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:22 am
by SkinsJock
I agree Chris - and good luck to him
my only concern with Morris is that his team 'reportedly' quit on him - not sure about the facts of that report
he has done well as a defensive coach in the NFL and he'll get another job soon
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:40 pm
by brad7686
My point is simply that we've had less talent in the past and been a much better defense with Williams/Blatche. We actually have pass rushers now, which we never did, but what good are they if we blitz every play and have receivers running around wide open. They don't have time to get to the qb.
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:07 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
brad7686 wrote:My point is simply that we've had less talent in the past and been a much better defense with Williams/Blatche. We actually have pass rushers now, which we never did, but what good are they if we blitz every play and have receivers running around wide open. They don't have time to get to the qb.
I can't really agree with you here.
- The talent level is arguable...
- You can't say that the pass rushing isn't all that great when Orakpo hasn't sacked an NFC East opponent until this year...
- Granted, we could use some fresh legs at DB. But you fail to mention that Laron Landry, who is arguably are most dynamic defensive player was hobbled and/or out of the line up for most of the year. And Atogwe the same. As soon as Atogwe got healthy towards the end of the season, he had INT's in each game he played, showing his worth.
My point being that Haslett had a lot of injuries to his squad and we won't even begin to mention the negative affect that the offense had...
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:26 pm
by SkinsJock
It's a little noticed fact that better play by the offense helps a defense and vice versa
a lot of attention was paid to the defense before last season and I think that we will see the same attention on the offense
with the players coming back and the additions we're going to make - I'd expect to see better play from both sides
we are not far off guys - we need to keep with the plan and not try to rush things
bot - this FO is looking at players AND coaches that can be added to help here
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:38 pm
by The Hogster
I was never a fan of the Haslett hire myself. His first year was more fuel to the fire. But, I must say that he's impressed me from a personell standpoint (assuming he has influence there).
In the draft, I was not sold that Kerrigan would become a standout 3-4 OLB. But, he has. He's actually more consistent than Orakpo has been this year. Credit the decision to draft him.
I'm also impressed by Perry Riley, the ability that Barry Cofield has shown to play NT moving from DT with the Giants, and Stephen Bowen's transition as well. Carriker had 5 sacks this year, and took a step forward. If Jarvis Jenkins is the force that people expect him to be, I can't say that I can complain about Haslett's ability to find pieces that fit the scheme he's trying to run.
That being said, his coaching seems suspect. He's slow to adjust, and he seems defensive when questioned about his adjustments or a lack thereof. Particularly when he went 0 blitz one too many times against the Cowboys and gave away a winnable game with a pass given up on 3rd down to Bryant.
But, overall, our defense did show marked improvement by adding some pieces, and subtracting others. That should buy him more time to continue that progress. Maybe it's just finding a couple more players that can execute what he's trying to do.
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:17 pm
by jr_uscg
Haslett is not the problem, it's our head coach. We have always been a 4-3 D and if we were still in the 4-3 we would still be a top ten D. It's crazy, we got rid of Carter because he is a 4-3 DE. Orakapo is also. We also need a legit NT, its the whole "Round hole Square peg". Give Haslett more time and the right players.
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:54 pm
by skinsfan#33
jr_uscg wrote:Haslett is not the problem, it's our head coach. We have always been a 4-3 D and if we were still in the 4-3 we would still be a top ten D. It's crazy, we got rid of Carter because he is a 4-3 DE. Orakapo is also. We also need a legit NT, its the whole "Round hole Square peg". Give Haslett more time and the right players.
Orakpo is not and never has been (in the pros) a 4-3 DE. He is simply too small. Orakpo was more of a round hole in a square peg when we played him as a 4-3 SAM, he is a much better fit to be a pass rushing 3-4 OLB.
His first year with the Skins they had him listed as a DE/LB, which tells me that they didn't even think he could be an every down DE in a 4-3 scheme.
MS's decision to change to a 3-4 was based on sound research and was something he wanted to do. The error he made was going all in on starting new with the D and then went out and got McNabb. He didn't go all in on th eO untill this year.
We should have just kept JC and took our 2 to 3 win beting the first year.
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:18 am
by cowboyhater4life
Haslett is not the problem. The offense is the problem. Get rid of Kyle. Can dad fire his kid?
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:36 am
by skinsfan#33
cowboyhater4life wrote:Haslett is not the problem. The offense is the problem. Get rid of Kyle. Can dad fire his kid?
I disagree. This is exactly the type of knee jerk reaction everyone accuse Snyder of guilty of.
They shouldn't fire any of the coordinators, except maybe Danny Smith.
Look I thought Has was a bad hire, but even though I personally think he is a bad coach, I don't think he should be replaced.
KS and MS can't make chicken soup from chicken poop. Unlike defense, where the DC makes a huge difference and can hide a lot of problems, the offense success is mostly hellbent driven. Sure an OC can hide some problems, but of you don't have an OL, QB, and play makers you can't expect much. And our OL is below average (even with out injuries or players suspended), our QB's are done of the worst in the NFL, and we have no WRs that scare anyone.
What do you really expect KS to do with all of this chicken poop?
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:22 am
by Chris Luva Luva
jr_uscg wrote:We have always been a 4-3 D
So what, and we used to be power run team. Things change.
jr_uscg wrote: and if we were still in the 4-3 we would still be a top ten D.
We were at times a top 10 defense this year, you know, when the offense wasn't screwing around.
The defense was darn near last in the league last year, they finished ranked 15th and that's WITHOUT it's starting safeties playing for any length of time.
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:57 am
by SkinsJock
Raheem Morris was not brought in to replace Haslett - he's a very good defensive backfield coach
Morris would be a big help here and will help any defense he goes to
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:18 pm
by emoses14
skinsfan#33 wrote:cowboyhater4life wrote:Haslett is not the problem. The offense is the problem. Get rid of Kyle. Can dad fire his kid?
I disagree. This is exactly the type of knee jerk reaction everyone accuse Snyder of guilty of.
They shouldn't fire any of the coordinators, except maybe Danny Smith.
Look I thought Has was a bad hire, but even though I personally think he is a bad coach, I don't think he should be replaced.
KS and MS can't make chicken soup from chicken poop. Unlike defense, where the DC makes a huge difference and can hide a lot of problems, the offense success is mostly hellbent driven. Sure an OC can hide some problems, but of you don't have an OL, QB, and play makers you can't expect much.
And our OL is below average (even with out injuries or players suspended), our QB's are done of the worst in the NFL, and we have no WRs that scare anyone.
What do you really expect KS to do with all of this chicken poop?
I always felt this year (ESPECIALLY in light of the injuries and suspensions) that this OLine was actually doing pretty decent work. Food for thought on the subject of the highlighted text:
http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... aster.html
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:21 pm
by Countertrey
skinsfan#33 wrote:cowboyhater4life wrote:Haslett is not the problem. The offense is the problem. Get rid of Kyle. Can dad fire his kid?
I disagree. This is exactly the type of knee jerk reaction everyone accuse Snyder of guilty of.
They shouldn't fire any of the coordinators, except maybe Danny Smith.
Look I thought Has was a bad hire, but even though I personally think he is a bad coach, I don't think he should be replaced.
KS and MS can't make chicken soup from chicken poop. Unlike defense, where the DC makes a huge difference and can hide a lot of problems, the offense success is mostly hellbent driven. Sure an OC can hide some problems, but of you don't have an OL, QB, and play makers you can't expect much. And our OL is below average (even with out injuries or players suspended), our QB's are done of the worst in the NFL, and we have no WRs that scare anyone.
What do you really expect KS to do with all of this chicken poop?
Since you asked... how about RUN THE FREAKING BALL? (see my sig). Mr "I don't change" did not catch on to this concept until well into the downside of the season. Had he figured this out earlier... there would have been 2 or 3 more victories... IMO.
Kyle did not have all of the pieces that he needed to run the offense the way he wanted... but he ran it that way, anyway, often giving up on an effective run game early in the first half... and putting the ball into the hands of our interception machine. I suspect that, ultimately, he was "influenced" by his boss, who knows something about running the ball.
With a competent quarterback, I imagine Kyle's concepts will be a bit more consistently applied... but, we shall see...
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:05 pm
by skinsfan#33
emoses14 wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:cowboyhater4life wrote:Haslett is not the problem. The offense is the problem. Get rid of Kyle. Can dad fire his kid?
I disagree. This is exactly the type of knee jerk reaction everyone accuse Snyder of guilty of.
They shouldn't fire any of the coordinators, except maybe Danny Smith.
Look I thought Has was a bad hire, but even though I personally think he is a bad coach, I don't think he should be replaced.
KS and MS can't make chicken soup from chicken poop. Unlike defense, where the DC makes a huge difference and can hide a lot of problems, the offense success is mostly hellbent driven. Sure an OC can hide some problems, but of you don't have an OL, QB, and play makers you can't expect much.
And our OL is below average (even with out injuries or players suspended), our QB's are done of the worst in the NFL, and we have no WRs that scare anyone.
What do you really expect KS to do with all of this chicken poop?
I always felt this year (ESPECIALLY in light of the injuries and suspensions) that this OLine was actually doing pretty decent work. Food for thought on the subject of the highlighted text:
http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... aster.html
Actually, I agree with you as far as run blocking goes. It is hard to tell what impacted the run game more. The change to the pitch instead of the classic stretch play. Royster and Helu or was the patch work OL just better than the starters.
But over the entire year they were below average.
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:22 pm
by skinsfan#33
Countertrey wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:cowboyhater4life wrote:Haslett is not the problem. The offense is the problem. Get rid of Kyle. Can dad fire his kid?
I disagree. This is exactly the type of knee jerk reaction everyone accuse Snyder of guilty of.
They shouldn't fire any of the coordinators, except maybe Danny Smith.
Look I thought Has was a bad hire, but even though I personally think he is a bad coach, I don't think he should be replaced.
KS and MS can't make chicken soup from chicken poop. Unlike defense, where the DC makes a huge difference and can hide a lot of problems, the offense success is mostly hellbent driven. Sure an OC can hide some problems, but of you don't have an OL, QB, and play makers you can't expect much. And our OL is below average (even with out injuries or players suspended), our QB's are done of the worst in the NFL, and we have no WRs that scare anyone.
What do you really expect KS to do with all of this chicken poop?
Since you asked... how about RUN THE FREAKING BALL? (see my sig). Mr "I don't change" did not catch on to this concept until well into the downside of the season. Had he figured this out earlier... there would have been 2 or 3 more victories... IMO.
Kyle did not have all of the pieces that he needed to run the offense the way he wanted... but he ran it that way, anyway, often giving up on an effective run game early in the first half... and putting the ball into the hands of our interception machine. I suspect that, ultimately, he was "influenced" by his boss, who knows something about running the ball.
With a competent quarterback, I imagine Kyle's concepts will be a bit more consistently applied... but, we shall see...
They weren't running the ball worth any type of fecal matter early in the season, so why should they run? Yes there were a games or two they have up too early, but most people would rant about them not running the ball when it made absolutely no sense. These idiotic rants shouldn't have been taken seriously. Just like the rants for fire MS and KS.
Maybe they had more success later in threw year because of the changes that MS and KS made to the running game. Maybe they ran the ball better later in the year because the OL run blocked better. Maybe they ran the ball better later in the year because Royster and Helu were better. Or maybe the run game simply gelled.
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:27 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
This thread turned to chicken poop! Lmao
4-3 debate is over. Our old D is over over rated bend but don't break and didn't generate much pressure or turn overs. The argument is long over this year showing the switch well worth it. The top ten at times D was better across the board then our "old top ten D"
The "how could he give up on the run?!" crap is just as boring and beaten.. When they stack the box and own a lead running three plays in a row and punting on fourth and long isn't exactly gonna cut it. They dared us to pass and it worked. I'd also venture to say hightower and especially Torain didn't have the vision speed cut back awareness u name it that the rooks had.
I think our Oline played decent.. The inability of Rex tp scramble, throw the ball away, or to not hold it forever didn't help the stat sheet guaranteed. I'd bet Vik woulda loved our line especially early on.
Raheem Morris? Lol sounds like hed help w the biggest weekest link on D.. And not necessarily the players or system just the coaching of the position. With the Rooks getting an offseason and every new face as well as some health our D should be top 5 next year. You heard it here folks! The O being less anemic, how much will be determined by who's under center, will help the D as it wouldve this year too. Hail to Recovery especially JJ and our safeties!
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:28 pm
by emoses14
skinsfan#33 wrote:Countertrey wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:cowboyhater4life wrote:Haslett is not the problem. The offense is the problem. Get rid of Kyle. Can dad fire his kid?
I disagree. This is exactly the type of knee jerk reaction everyone accuse Snyder of guilty of.
They shouldn't fire any of the coordinators, except maybe Danny Smith.
Look I thought Has was a bad hire, but even though I personally think he is a bad coach, I don't think he should be replaced.
KS and MS can't make chicken soup from chicken poop. Unlike defense, where the DC makes a huge difference and can hide a lot of problems, the offense success is mostly hellbent driven. Sure an OC can hide some problems, but of you don't have an OL, QB, and play makers you can't expect much. And our OL is below average (even with out injuries or players suspended), our QB's are done of the worst in the NFL, and we have no WRs that scare anyone.
What do you really expect KS to do with all of this chicken poop?
Since you asked... how about RUN THE FREAKING BALL? (see my sig). Mr "I don't change" did not catch on to this concept until well into the downside of the season. Had he figured this out earlier... there would have been 2 or 3 more victories... IMO.
Kyle did not have all of the pieces that he needed to run the offense the way he wanted... but he ran it that way, anyway, often giving up on an effective run game early in the first half... and putting the ball into the hands of our interception machine. I suspect that, ultimately, he was "influenced" by his boss, who knows something about running the ball.
With a competent quarterback, I imagine Kyle's concepts will be a bit more consistently applied... but, we shall see...
They weren't running the ball
worth any type of fecal matter early in the season, so why should they run? Yes there were a games or two they have up too early, but most people would rant about them not running the ball when it made absolutely no sense. These idiotic rants shouldn't have been taken seriously. Just like the rants for fire MS and KS.
Maybe they had more success later in threw year because of the changes that MS and KS made to the running game. Maybe they ran the ball better later in the year because the OL run blocked better. Maybe they ran the ball better later in the year because Royster and Helu were better. Or maybe the run game simply gelled.
Non substantive post: The highlighted portion actually made me laugh out loud. The thought that they couldn't even muster being worth even the worst type of fecal matter was very funny to me.
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:05 pm
by cowboyhater4life
A great OC can create something out of Chicken Poop. Alex Smith. Who in the world can preform their job with efficiency with his father creeping his ever move. Rex did make it to the SB With crappy WR.
ya ya we here the argument he doesn't have the weapons but anyone can make big down the field plays with Andre "the freak" Johnson
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:02 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
cowboyhater4life wrote:A great OC can create something out of Chicken Poop. Alex Smith. Who in the world can preform their job with efficiency with his father creeping his ever move. Rex did make it to the SB With crappy WR.
ya ya we here the argument he doesn't have the weapons but anyone can make big down the field plays with Andre "the freak" Johnson
Andre "the freak" Johnson hasn't done much since Schaub went down. It's more than just an OC working magic.
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:26 pm
by CanesSkins26
Chris Luva Luva wrote:cowboyhater4life wrote:A great OC can create something out of Chicken Poop. Alex Smith. Who in the world can preform their job with efficiency with his father creeping his ever move. Rex did make it to the SB With crappy WR.
ya ya we here the argument he doesn't have the weapons but anyone can make big down the field plays with Andre "the freak" Johnson
Andre "the freak" Johnson hasn't done much since Schaub went down. It's more than just an OC working magic.
He was also injured in week 4 and only played in 3 regular season games after that. In their playoff win he had 5 catches for 90 yards and a TD.
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:50 pm
by 1niksder
1niksder wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Is there anyone on this staff that you think is any good Canes?
given that there's a good chance that you're going to have to watch them coaching here for another season
is there any chance of this franchise being worth watching? - in your opinion, of course
Shanny said there would be staff changes, Haslett is a good administrator, team or just on the defensive side ball. So on Sunday at kickoff his units are ready to go, now should a adjustment be needed then.. "Houston we have a problem" is the first thing to come mind when thinking about Haslett. I really haven't seen a half time adjustment in 2 years. Still I don't see him going anywhere (his name was dropped for HC gig but I can't find it now (wasn't gonna happen anyway)). Morris is from the true "Tampa 2", that grew into all the other "Tampa" schemes. As a DB coach if nothing else, we won't see corners playing 11 yards off the receiver on 3rd and 8.
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