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CanesSkin26 said:

RGIII has the greatest chance of flopping because he has the most work to do. Doesn't really play under center, tends to bail out of the pocket too soon, needs to work on his footwork, etc. The transition from spread to pro style is a lot more difficult than people think.

This is true. Just ask Colt Brennan. The reality is, RGIII is an exceptionally intelligent football player (how often do you hear of a player using the last year of eligibility to earn a Masters degree). I think he has demonstrated that he has the capacity to make the transition. Unlike most spread quarterbacks (and despite Canes concern that he bails from the pocket too soon), there is film of Griffin extending, continuing to look for receivers, after a play has broken. While capable of making the play with his feet, he is still looking for receivers. This provides the basis for optimism that he can learn to operate under center, because this is the primary skill that must be learned... reading the defense while moving back to the pocket... the very similar to the skill used in extending the play from the spread.

Could he flop? Sure. Even Luck is not guaranteed to be the next coming of Joe Montana... There were questions about who was the best quarterback in the 1998 draft... Peyton Manning? Ryan Leaf? Both were billed as sure fire franchise quarterbacks, with the only question being, "which will get to the Hall of Fame first?". How'd that work out?

On the other hand, not being the first, or even the second... selection is not an impediment to quarterback greatness... Tom Brady is the most popular example...

But, I think this is truly a deep quarterback class, and there is an excellent chance that there could be as many as 5 "franchise quarterbacks" selected... and that RGIII and Barkley, AND Jones are likely to stick, and start... and be very effective.

In Griffin's case, though... that might take a bit longer than the others. As Canes points out... he has some learning to do... that Luck and Barkley do not.

given that we are most likely NOT getting Luck or Barkley - we should take R Griffin III


it would be nice to have a QB that could start soon
- it's MORE important that we select a QB that can be good for 10-12 years or more

we do not want to be like the Rams - great QB with a great RB - they're at 2-12 and it's NOT because of the HC

we need to continue what we have done here and hopefully have another great draft

this FO has made some big mistakes at QB
- that will end with the drafting of R Griffin III - the character issues and upbringing are HUGE

SJ said:

the character issues and upbringing are HUGE

I do have to admit... I have a bias toward the children of soldiers...

but, it sure doesn't hurt that he looks like he walks the walk.

I think that some are looking at the offense and other QBs and how they have adapted when reaching the NFL

I really like this kid's background and he will be very determined and very coachable - he will be a good NFL QB given the right help

Countertrey wrote:CanesSkin26 said:

RGIII has the greatest chance of flopping because he has the most work to do. Doesn't really play under center, tends to bail out of the pocket too soon, needs to work on his footwork, etc. The transition from spread to pro style is a lot more difficult than people think.

This is true. Just ask Colt Brennan. The reality is, RGIII is an exceptionally intelligent football player (how often do you hear of a player using the last year of eligibility to earn a Masters degree). I think he has demonstrated that he has the capacity to make the transition. Unlike most spread quarterbacks (and despite Canes concern that he bails from the pocket too soon), there is film of Griffin extending, continuing to look for receivers, after a play has broken. While capable of making the play with his feet, he is still looking for receivers. This provides the basis for optimism that he can learn to operate under center, because this is the primary skill that must be learned... reading the defense while moving back to the pocket... the very similar to the skill used in extending the play from the spread.

Could he flop? Sure. Even Luck is not guaranteed to be the next coming of Joe Montana... There were questions about who was the best quarterback in the 1998 draft... Peyton Manning? Ryan Leaf? Both were billed as sure fire franchise quarterbacks, with the only question being, "which will get to the Hall of Fame first?". How'd that work out?

On the other hand, not being the first, or even the second... selection is not an impediment to quarterback greatness... Tom Brady is the most popular example...

But, I think this is truly a deep quarterback class, and there is an excellent chance that there could be as many as 5 "franchise quarterbacks" selected... and that RGIII and Barkley, AND Jones are likely to stick, and start... and be very effective.

In Griffin's case, though... that might take a bit longer than the others. As Canes points out... he has some learning to do... that Luck and Barkley do not.

Good points about RGIII. I think you're right about him being able to adapt to the pro game, it will just take some time.

Do you think that Kyle/Mike would be willing to adapt their offense for RGIII and go through the process of developing him into a pro style qb? Impossible to say for certain, but I think that given next year will be year 3 of Mike's contract, they will want to go with the qb that is most ready to play in the NFL.

As I noted in another thread, I think that a mobile quarterback is ideal to the game that Kyle wants to call. The only part of the game that is really likely to be a real impediment to RGIII is working the pocket from under center. Any of the rooks will have difficulty with the fine points of scheme and terminology... both of which I suspect Griffin can grasp fairly quickly. The major impediments, again, are likely to be technique under center, reading pro defenses post snap, and the speed of the game. Three of these four issues are going to be an issue for ANY rookie. Kyle actually prefers a quarterback who has the ability to extend via athleticism. The question is, how long would it take for RGIII to be ready to use the full scheme?

Don't forget, not only is Mike looking to build a winner... but he's also looking to pass that winner to his son. No matter which rookie they select next year, they are not going to be making a trip to the Superbowl... and, based on this season's performance, any post season play is a bonus. He will want a quarterback who is ready to make the run in 2013, at the earliest. Griffin, I think, can do that.

Trey - we are not far off from being competitive in the NFC East - we have some key components here now and just need a little more help PLUS the OC needs to get his act together a little better here

I am NOT saying if we added Luck, all would be rosy - we're NOT getting him anyway

I think a good QB (like RG III or Barkley) will come in here and (it would take some time) get ready to play

we need to IMPROVE the O line PLUS get some quality depth - but we can do all that with another good draft PLUS free agency
I think we'd be close and we might even be in the playoffs next year




I am really pissed at Davis and Williams for what they did - not once, not twice BUT 3 times - that is troubling

The Williams/Davis fiasco plus not having a rookie QB already here really hurts our chances a lot