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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:45 pm
by StorminMormon86
I highly doubt the Jets are going to acquire Manning (who, if healthy, is almost certainly going to start) when they already have a young franchise QB in Sanchez. Manning is going to go to a team that needs an QB, or has a young unproven one.
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:54 pm
by Kilmer72
Food for thought.... Manning is like Elway was for the Broncos in the 80s. Without Manning, and we see what that is like, why wouldn't they entertain the possibility of keeping Manning and filling much needed holes? I mean they obviously need help. QB surely can not be all they need. Everything is for sale. Even if you really like what you have or could have.
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:11 pm
by Red_One43
If Manning plays next year, it will be for the Colts. Manning is more than just a QB for the Colts, he runs the O. A rookie doesn't just step in and fill those kind of shoes in one year. By draft time, Manning will have had at least one OTA under his belt. He will know if he can throw and try to play again. If doctors say that he is good to go, he will be a Colt.
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:17 pm
by StorminMormon86
Red_One43 wrote:If Manning plays next year, it will be for the Colts. Manning is more than just a QB for the Colts, he runs the O. A rookie doesn't just step in and fill those kind of shoes in one year. By draft time, Manning will have had at least one OTA under his belt. He will know if he can throw and try to play again. If doctors say that he is good to go, he will be a Colt.
BINGO! I think the odds are more in favor of Manning staying in Indy and the Colts passing on Luck rather than them letting Manning go. This is purely from the standpoint that Manning is healthy.
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:37 am
by Hooligan
The Redskins would be better off using their picks on a young QB of the future, plus other players at areas of need, than for ONE player who's on the downside of his career, that doesn't fit the system and has major health and durability questions.
I really don't see it unless I'm playing Madden.
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:48 am
by The Hogster
StorminMormon86 wrote:I highly doubt the Jets are going to acquire Manning (who, if healthy, is almost certainly going to start) when they already have a young franchise QB in Sanchez. Manning is going to go to a team that needs an QB, or has a young unproven one.
Have you been attentive to the heat that Sanchez is taking in NY?? He and Schottenheimer are on the hot seat. That seat got so hot that the Jets brought in Tom Moore as a "consultant." Moore just so happens to be Manning's Offensive Coordinator with the Jets.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:53 am
by StorminMormon86
I don't see how a guy can get heat when he's been to the playoffs every year he's been on the team.
Re: Manning on Redskins???
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:07 am
by tribeofjudah
aswas71788 wrote:Michael Lombardi on NFL Network was talking about Peyton Manning being traded by the Colts. He hypothicized that the Redskins would be a good landing spot. It would probably take a number 1 draft pick plus to get the trade done.
As for me, I would do if IF (and that's big IF) the cost wasn't high. No 1st round pick for him. Seconds, maybe 2. Manning is 35 years old and probably only has a couple more years to go.
What does everyone think about acquiring Manning? Hypothetically.
NO thanks....Peyton is a great qb, but not wiith his present health condition. It wont go away and it wont heal 100%
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:07 am
by Bob 0119
I'll admit I didn't read all three pages of this thread, but here's my two cents on Peyton.
First off; He ain't goin' anywhere. Salary cap/schmalary cap. The man tried to give back a huge chunk of his contract this year. He'll restructure because he knows it will help the team in the long run, which is what he has been about all along.
Secondly; After the surgery he just had, even if he heals completely, he's always gonna wonder if the next hit he takes will be his last. The neck and spine are no joke. The wrong hit and he could be paralyzed for life. I know he's chomping at the bit now, but that's for his team. I don't think he'd be nearly as brave for a team he has no loyalties to.
Finally; Manning is an on-field OC. He calls his own plays. In the right scheme, it works. Indy was set up to let Manning be flexable. I don't think Mike will relenquish that control. I know Gibbs wouldn't.
The list of star talent that has come through here in the twilight of their careers is mind boggling. I think we'd be better off keeping our first rounder and getting our own QB.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:42 am
by StorminMormon86
I actually saw the clip of Lombardi on NFL Network. He didn't say the Redskins SHOULD get Manning, or that they might, he was just asked what teams could benefit from Manning if the Colts released him (and healthy). He simply said the Redskins needed a QB and a "face to their franchise". Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:42 pm
by SkinsJock
Peyton Manning is not playing QB here
If Peyton is able to play QB, he'll most likely stay and help Andrew Luck get ready
THIS FRANCHISE NOW UNDERSTANDS HOW CRITICALLY IMPORTANT DRAFT PICKS ARE
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:47 pm
by markshark84
Didn't we learn enough from McNabb??? Giving up anything (picks, players, or otherwise) for Manning would be idiotic.
And why we would use a FIRST ROUNDER on a guy that would play -- in a best case scenario -- 2 years is just crazy. Like people said, he is worth at most a 3rd, but I am fully confident that some delusional team (hoping not the skins) will offer more.
I am done with the skins leveraging their future on aging, over the hill, veterans. If the skins went for Manning it would clearly show that this franchise has learned NOTHING from the past 2 decades. Why don't we hold onto the pick and instead draft a top flight OT that can protect Barkley/RGIII/Jones for the next decade or so??? No, that would make too much sense....
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:04 pm
by SkinsJock
Mike & Bruce have not done well with the QB position since they've come here
I think it's obvious to them how important the QB is and that's why ...
anyway .. aside from the McNabb deal which I think was a huge lesson - we've seen them show restraint in not giving up picks
PLUS they have added a lot of young talent to the mix here
we are going to see these guys draft a good QB PLUS finally find a FA that can get the job done until that kid gets ready
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:14 pm
by The Hogster
StorminMormon86 wrote:I don't see how a guy can get heat when he's been to the playoffs every year he's been on the team.
He may not deserve it, but he's getting it. People feel like the Jets won in spite of him and not because of him. Now that their defense has become more normal, they aren't as competitive. They might miss the playoffs this year.
Sanchez has fallen out of favor as has their OC, which is why they now have Peyton's former OC as a "Consultant" on offense. We all know how that goes.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:33 pm
by CanesSkins26
The Hogster wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:I don't see how a guy can get heat when he's been to the playoffs every year he's been on the team.
He may not deserve it, but he's getting it. People feel like the Jets won in spite of him and not because of him. Now that their defense has become more normal, they aren't as competitive. They might miss the playoffs this year.
Sanchez has fallen out of favor as has their OC, which is why they now have Peyton's former OC as a "Consultant" on offense. We all know how that goes.
I don't think that Sanchez is elite by any means, but I think some of the expectations on him are insane. He's only 25 and it's obvious that he's still learning how to play the position. However, he has steadily improved each year in the league. His rookie year his qb rating was 63.0, last year it was 75.3, and this year it's 83.1. His completion percentage could be better, but he has 21 tds this year to only 11 ints, and he has played most of the year behind a brutal offensive line. His numbers are right there with Philip Rivers and Big Ben this season.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:24 pm
by StorminMormon86
SkinsJock wrote:If Peyton is able to play QB, he'll most likely stay and help Andrew Luck get ready
Like he helped Curt Painter?
Honestly, if Luck is as great as the media says he is he will not go to a team to sit on the bench for a whole year. And the Colts, if Manning is 100%, are not going to sit quite possibly the greatest QB of all time for a guy who's never played a game in the NFL and who's not proven.
As for Sanchez on the Jets, he is definitely nowhere near elite or even "good" status, IMO. He's a decent game manager. And that's all the Jets really need.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:23 pm
by chiefhog44
^^^^^^^^
you are exactly right. No way a healthy Manning and Luck are on the same team. I'd bet $10,000 dollars. Joke. In all seriousness, the Colts will have 5 more years to have a legitimate shot at a Championship, so unless you think Luck will ride the pine for that long, no way it happens. Foolishness as I mentioned before. Colts will draft Luck and trade him to the highest bidder out of their division. I'm telling you, I have a feeling that we're gonna end up with him. Gonna be kind of like the Manning to NY deal. What was the compensation in that. I know draft points are different now, but I would be curious.
BTW, the OC for the Jets just got an extension a month ago, so he's not going anywhere, and Manning is certainly not going there.
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:25 pm
by Red_One43
Bob 0119 wrote:I'll admit I didn't read all three pages of this thread, but here's my two cents on Peyton.
First off; He ain't goin' anywhere. Salary cap/schmalary cap. The man tried to give back a huge chunk of his contract this year. He'll restructure because he knows it will help the team in the long run, which is what he has been about all along.
Secondly; After the surgery he just had, even if he heals completely, he's always gonna wonder if the next hit he takes will be his last. The neck and spine are no joke. The wrong hit and he could be paralyzed for life. I know he's chomping at the bit now, but that's for his team. I don't think he'd be nearly as brave for a team he has no loyalties to.
Finally; Manning is an on-field OC. He calls his own plays. In the right scheme, it works. Indy was set up to let Manning be flexable. I don't think Mike will relenquish that control. I know Gibbs wouldn't.
The list of star talent that has come through here in the twilight of their careers is mind boggling. I think we'd be better off keeping our first rounder and getting our own QB.
You are right that you didn't read the first three pages, because you said what I said, BUT, you said it better than I did and more! Great Post!
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:28 pm
by Red_One43
chiefhog44 wrote:^^^^^^^^
you are exactly right. No way a healthy Manning and Luck are on the same team. I'd bet $10,000 dollars. Joke. In all seriousness, the Colts will have 5 more years to have a legitimate shot at a Championship, so unless you think Luck will ride the pine for that long, no way it happens. Foolishness as I mentioned before. Colts will draft Luck and trade him to the highest bidder out of their division. I'm telling you, I have a feeling that we're gonna end up with him. Gonna be kind of like the Manning to NY deal. What was the compensation in that. I know draft points are different now, but I would be curious.
BTW, the OC for the Jets just got an extension a month ago, so he's not going anywhere, and Manning is certainly not going there.
$10,000 bet! LOL Well played, Mitt, uh, I mean Chief.
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:42 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Joe Theismann wrote:
“I think it’s absolutely crazy and absurd,” he said. “Number one, from an Indianapolis Colts standpoint, it’s totally absurd. From a Redskins standpoint, it would be ridiculous, because haven’t we seen this with Deion Sanders late in his career, with Bruce Smith late in his career, with Adam Archuleta? I mean, how long is the list of bringing people in that maybe have a year or two left?
“And obviously the play at the quarterback position hasn’t been good. Rex just continues to make the same mistakes over and over again. And John, it seemed a little bit for him without the opportunity of going through camp. So to me, I think you need to look at the draft and develop someone. To bring in Peyton Manning, the economics of it wouldn’t make sense.
“And to add somebody to a football team where he has to learn an entirely new system from what he has done for the last 12, 13, 14 years, to me, that is just very very absurd talk....I think you need to look at the draft, and this organization needs to start to build going forward, not to continue to recycle and bring people in....To add someone like a Peyton Manning, at the economic value, what it’s gonna cost you for a year or so, it isn’t even an interesting, entertaining thought for me.”
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:30 pm
by GoSkins
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:08 am
by SkinsJock
The Colts are in a great situation - they are going to have Andrew Luck with Manning as his mentor
The Colts do have issues but will be able to build their franchise around another superstar QB
they are most likely not going to win a game but they are a lot better than their record indicates
this franchise will be competitive again .... and soon - they have the FO and ownership to get it done
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:24 pm
by StorminMormon86
SkinsJock wrote:The Colts are in a great situation - they are going to have Andrew Luck with Manning as his mentor
This is NOT happening if Manning is healthy. There's no way in hell Manning is going to want to take a back seat to Luck. And if Manning is healthy, he's got a good 4-6 years left in him. You really think Luck's going to ride the bench that long?
SkinsJock wrote:The Colts do have issues but will be able to build their franchise around another superstar QB
If Manning is healthy, the Colts will draft Luck and trade him away for several draft picks. This is the smartest thing the Colts can do, and I see them taking another QB in a 3rd or 4th round.
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:33 pm
by SkinsJock
I just don't see a franchise not taking a QB like Andrew Luck - we shall see
Peyton will help this happen & Andrew Luck will have a great mentor
Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:44 pm
by Kilmer72
I am with you on this SkinsJock. I could see them trading their pick if someone offers them enough though. Everything is for sale. I do agree that the chances of the Colts trading him are slim but wouldn't you entertain a trade if someone wanted to give up many #1s and 2s? He might not even pan out. I would expect him to be what everyone thinks he will be, but nothing is for certain.