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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:30 pm
by mastdark81
Red_One43 wrote:Roy Helu - once again a positive for the game.


I knock off points for fumbling. Don't care how many yards he ran for. But I would say he was neutral not a positive. It didn't cost us but I dont' reward a guy for it.

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:14 pm
by Countertrey
mastdark81 wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Roy Helu - once again a positive for the game.


I knock off points for fumbling. Don't care how many yards he ran for. But I would say he was neutral not a positive. It didn't cost us but I dont' reward a guy for it.
That was an excellent play by the Jets defender in the hole... Helu had the ball thoroughly wrapped, but it was knocked out by an excellent tomahawk. You want to see your rook hang on to the ball, but sometimes, physics and excellent technique wins...

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:26 pm
by tammet
mastdark81 wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Roy Helu - once again a positive for the game.


I knock off points for fumbling. Don't care how many yards he ran for. But I would say he was neutral not a positive. It didn't cost us but I dont' reward a guy for it.


Helu, for the most part, has been a positive ever since he stepped on the field.
He's obviously our top running back, and a top 10 talent in the league. I don't need to see him run one more time to make that determination. He's going to be a very solid back in this league barring injury. Helu is not a fumble machine, and has done nothing thus far to support that notion. Every running back, no matter how poor or great, is going to fumble the ball at some point. It's the same with great QB's; every last one of them is going to throw interceptions.
Whether its running backs or qb's , it's a matter of production vs erros. In the case of Grossman, the equation is obviously out of kilter. He is a liability over 50% of the time, as is the play calling of Kyle.

Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:06 pm
by StorminMormon86
Shanahan is preaching that the Redskins need to limit turnovers, yet they continue to start the human turnover machine? Grossman is third overall in interceptions this year. Keep in mind that he missed three more games and threw for 95 less times than the other top six on the list.

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:03 am
by Red_One43
Putting play calling vs. Jets under the microscope

There was a lot of scrutiny on the Redskins’ play calling after their 34-19 loss to the Jets on Sunday. Specifically, it seemed to many that Kyle Shanahan quit calling the number of running back Roy Helu after the rookie enjoyed some early success. Let’s break down Helu’s 23 rushing attempts in a few different ways.

By quarter:

First--Total 11 plays, Helu 6 carries, 34 yards, TD
Second—Total 22 plays, Helu 5 carries 27 yards
Third—Total 12 plays, Helu 7 carries, 16 yards, fumble
Fourth—Total 27 plays, Helu 5 carries, 20 yards

Looking here, Helu’s workload was fairly well balanced through the game. In fact, he carried more in the second half (12 carries) than he did in the first (11). He ran on 36 percent of the first-half plays. And Helu carried the ball on 11 of the first 21 plays of the second half. The Redskins were behind on their last 18 plays of the game, which covered three possessions. Helu carried on just one of those plays.

By down:

1st: 12 carries, 48 yards
2nd: 10 carries, 40 yards
3rd: 1 carry, 12 yards

By drive:

Drive number, plays, score at start of drive, Helu carries/yards, result of drive

First half

1, 8 plays, 0-0, Helu 5/32 yards, Helu TD
2, 9 plays, 7-7, Helu 4/28 yards, FG
3, 5 plays, 10-7, Helu 1/3 yards, punt
4, 5 plays, 10-10, Helu 1/0 yards, punt
5, 6 plays, 10-10, Helu no carries, FG

Second half

6, 3 plays, 13-10, Helu 2/1 yards, punt
7, 3 plays, 13-10, Helu 1/0 yards, punt
8, 2 plays, 13-13, Helu 1/4 yards, Helu fumble lost
9, 3 plays, 13-13, Helu 2/9 yards, punt
10, 9 plays, 13-13, Helu 3/5 yards, punt
11, 3 plays, 13-13, Helu 2/3 yards, FG
12, 3 plays, 16-20, Helu no carries, Grossman lost fumble
13, 10 plays, 16-27, Helu no carries, FG
14, 5 plays, 19-34, Helu 1/12 yards, INT

Did Kyle quit calling runs on the last three possessions of the first half because the runs weren’t working? Or did they not work because he didn’t call them? It’s probably a little of both. If there is one period of the game where the Redskins can be rightfully accused of abandoning the run, it is during drives 3, 4, and 5. The final possession of this sequence started when Perry Riley recovered a muffed punt at the Jets 18. The Redskins had all three of their timeouts but they didn’t once give it to Helu. They left four points on the table by settling for a field goal after getting the golden opportunity.

In the second half, however, it’s hard to see how the play calling constitutes abandoning the run. While the Redskins were tied or leading, they ran 23 plays and Helu ran 11 of them. That is balanced play selection. Perhaps you could nitpick and say that they should have run on the drive right after the Jets took a four-point lead. But that drive lasted just three plays.




http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/redsk ... edID=10316

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:19 am
by StorminMormon86
In the 2nd quarter (when we were tied or leading) there were 22 plays called and only 5 of them were runs. That is abandoning the run.

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:10 am
by Countertrey
^ That's what I'm talking about (check my posts). That was just stupid play selection by Kyle. The run was working at that time... and Kyle took it off the table.

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:30 am
by Irn-Bru
Yes. It's very frustrating to watch. Just run the ball, Kyle!

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:53 am
by Countertrey
Folks, you can defend Kyle all you want... but I guarantee you... a championship coach, at any level, on finding something that works in a game... uses it like a hammer until the opponent either breaks or stops it...

Jeff Bostic:
“I got to the line, and I said to Randy White, ‘Our coaches love you. We’re going to run it over you again and again.’ Randy wasn’t very happy, but after three or four times, he didn’t say a word.”


It was working... they ran the play... over... and over... and over. They broke Randy White. dey brokeback dem cowboys. da's how iz dun...

Yeah... it was the Hogs... but the principle still applies. If it's working... do it.

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:29 pm
by StorminMormon86
Countertrey wrote:^ That's what I'm talking about (check my posts). That was just stupid play selection by Kyle. The run was working at that time... and Kyle took it off the table.

I know, I'm agreeing with you.