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I wouldn't be disappointed if we used Helu and Royster (depending on how he does/progresses) as a double threat RB package.

I remember a thread a while back..
Start the train let him tire and bang up the D..
Switch the pace w the speed of Helu.

What's the problem?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Per Mike, he's not consistent in picking up the blitz. With a leaky o-line, that is a paramount skill that he doesn't quite have a handle on.

Right on, as we used to say. Looks like the required progress is being made.

Can't recall the exact play but I saw a very nice blitz pick-up yesterday by my-boy-Roy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rw/Washin ... 28/Dx8.pdf

Things have been trending positive for some time, and Helu’s increased workload in practice last week signaled Coach Mike Shanahan’s intention to accelerate the evaluation process against Seattle.

No matter how much talent running backs possess, they usually must prove they’re competent in pass protection to earn significant playing time.

Helu has shown marked improvement in executing the Redskins’ protection schemes, prompting Shanahan to determine “he was ready. He was ready to play a full game in protection against a good defensive team.”

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I'd say he made on hell of a statement yesterday agains the Seahawks that he might just be the guy for years to come.

+1 - Helu helped himself a lot - that TD run showed a lot







We'll be fine offensively .... we just need .........

we definetly need to get better along that O line ... man oh man

I thought the O-Line held up pretty well against the Seahawks yesterday.

StorminMormon86 wrote:I thought the O-Line held up pretty well against the Seahawks yesterday.

Not during FG attempts.

For those who missed Roy's TD run (or if you wanna watch it again): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17rd0UwzjNY

Deadskins wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:I thought the O-Line held up pretty well against the Seahawks yesterday.

Not during FG attempts.

It was the same guy getting beat on that line in both blocked FG attempts. Not the entire O-Line. They sacked Grossman just one time yesterday which IMO is a good performance.

http://www.redskins.com/media-gallery/v ... 7d700dc3f0


This guy is Super Humble...ala Troy Polamalu

Always kept giving credit to his Oline........never about his accomplishment.

From the NFC East blog, I know many fans have been unhappy with the play calling and especially the abandonment of the run game.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast


A couple of interesting facts in this Redskins.com notebook, including the fact that Washington Redskins running back Roy Helu's rushing touchdown Sunday was the first against the Seahawks since the second quarter in Week 4. Helu had a remarkable day and was probably the main reason the Redskins snapped their six-game losing streak. The rookie had 23 carries and the Redskins ran the ball on 29 of their 65 plays.

Here's why that last bit matters: It means they ran on 44.6 percent of their offensive plays, which is their second-highest such figure of the season. Only the Week 4 victory in St. Louis, in which they ran on 40 of their 69 plays (58.0 percent) ranks higher. Sunday was also the fourth game of this season in which at least 40 percent of Washington's offensive plays were run plays. You want to take a guess what the 4-7 Redskins' record is in those games?

Yeah, it's 4-0.

you're preaching to the choir

you should call Kyle and tell him that there's a a bunch of fans at thehogs.net that want him to just run the damn ball


you might want to beat him over the head with a 2x4 while you're at it - couldn't hurt

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StorminMormon86 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:I thought the O-Line held up pretty well against the Seahawks yesterday.

Not during FG attempts.

It was the same guy getting beat on that line in both blocked FG attempts. Not the entire O-Line. They sacked Grossman just one time yesterday which IMO is a good performance.

So who was the "same guy getting beat?"

CAN'T TRUST SHANNY even with his endorsement of HELU

Coach Mike Shanahan confirmed at his Monday press conference that Roy Helu is the Redskins' starting running back "for sure."
"We felt he was ready," Shanahan said of Helu's big day against the Seahawks. "You could see some elusiveness, power, some speed. That's what you look for in a running back." We've all learned to take whatever Shanahan says with a massive grain of salt, but it appears he's finally ready to stop playing games with the Redskins season in the tank and only five games remaining. Helu is in for a number of difficult matchups down the stretch, but could be an every-week RB2 as long as Shanahan keeps his word. Fellow rookie Evan Royster, and not Ryan Torain, appears to be second in line for carries.

oneman56 wrote:Sunday was also the fourth game of this season in which at least 40 percent of Washington's offensive plays were run plays. You want to take a guess what the 4-7 Redskins' record is in those games?

Yeah, it's 4-0.

But that does not necessarily denote a cause and effect relationship. Our running game was working yesterday. That wasn't the case in most of the losses. Yes, Kyle has abandoned the run too early sometimes, but other times he had no choice.

Deadskins wrote:

oneman56 wrote:Sunday was also the fourth game of this season in which at least 40 percent of Washington's offensive plays were run plays. You want to take a guess what the 4-7 Redskins' record is in those games?

Yeah, it's 4-0.

But that does not necessarily denote a cause and effect relationship. Our running game was working yesterday. That wasn't the case in most of the losses. Yes, Kyle has abandoned the run too early sometimes, but other times he had no choice.

I would contend that Kyle consistently gave up on the run too early.

Countertrey wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

oneman56 wrote:Sunday was also the fourth game of this season in which at least 40 percent of Washington's offensive plays were run plays. You want to take a guess what the 4-7 Redskins' record is in those games?

Yeah, it's 4-0.

But that does not necessarily denote a cause and effect relationship. Our running game was working yesterday. That wasn't the case in most of the losses. Yes, Kyle has abandoned the run too early sometimes, but other times he had no choice.

I would contend that Kyle consistently gave up on the run too early.

Can you give examples?

The best example of Kyle giving up on the running game is to just look at the run plays vrs the pass plays in the first 2 quarters

we get behind and start putting the ball in the air - we have a passing game that is not working and we go to it because we're behind ... only to fall further behind

not only that we then put the defense in a bind because they have no time to rest

this is stupid play calling

GoSkins wrote:So who was the "same guy getting beat?"

Red Bryant beat Will Montgomery twice to block both field goals. Apparently you didn't hear Jim Mora repeatedly call for Shanahan to repalce the LT on the line because he was constantly getting beat by Red Bryant.

Countertrey wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

oneman56 wrote:Sunday was also the fourth game of this season in which at least 40 percent of Washington's offensive plays were run plays. You want to take a guess what the 4-7 Redskins' record is in those games?

Yeah, it's 4-0.

But that does not necessarily denote a cause and effect relationship. Our running game was working yesterday. That wasn't the case in most of the losses. Yes, Kyle has abandoned the run too early sometimes, but other times he had no choice.

I would contend that Kyle consistently gave up on the run too early.

He often does, but we were consistently getting 4 to 6 yards a play out of the running game early on Sunday. Hard to go away from that kind of production. Now when we come out of the gate getting only 1 or 2 ypc, it makes Kyle get antsy. I'm not advocating going away from the run in those situations, because I think that even if you aren't getting the yards early, the running game wears Ds down and pays dividends in the 4th quarter.

Deadskins wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

Deadskins wrote: But that does not necessarily denote a cause and effect relationship. Our running game was working yesterday. That wasn't the case in most of the losses. Yes, Kyle has abandoned the run too early sometimes, but other times he had no choice.

I would contend that Kyle consistently gave up on the run too early.

He often does, but we were consistently getting 4 to 6 yards a play out of the running game early on Sunday. Hard to go away from that kind of production. Now when we come out of the gate getting only 1 or 2 ypc, it makes Kyle get antsy. I'm not advocating going away from the run in those situations, because I think that even if you aren't getting the yards early, the running game wears Ds down and pays dividends in the 4th quarter.

My point would be that OFTEN, the run game becomes more productive as the game goes on. It's very typical to get 2-3 yards/carry early in the game, with the ypc growing as the defense tires... this is especially true of a zbs, or any other running scheme where lateral movement is a part of the run game. Helu made it easy for Kyle to make that call on Sunday... but, frankly, I don't think he has any real commitment to a run game.