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PAPDOG67 wrote:On another note Carlos Rogers CAN catch.....who knew.

Of course he can catch, he was just on a cursed team

spenser wrote:

PAPDOG67 wrote:On another note Carlos Rogers CAN catch.....who knew.

Of course he can catch, he was just on a cursed team

IS Joe Gibbs the only coach that can break the curse.

skinpride1 wrote:

spenser wrote:

PAPDOG67 wrote:On another note Carlos Rogers CAN catch.....who knew.

Of course he can catch, he was just on a cursed team

IS Joe Gibbs the only coach that can break the curse.

Phil Daniels said that the 9'rs tested his eyes, got him contact lenses and boom. Going off. Has 2 int's just today alone.

Irn-Bru wrote:Today pretty clearly showed that Grossman makes us more competitive week in, week out. He made a dozen pass attempts that Beck simply has not been capable of making. (It was great to see a pass sail more than 20 yards in the air!)

Sure Beck might have more upside in the long run.

You bummed me out with this assessment, since i respect your opinion (and only followed the game ply-by-play on the phone in church style).
I was pretty upset Wrex got back in. Interceptions kill.
I thought Beck was improving every week, fixing his own problems each outing.

PAPDOG67 wrote:How about we solve the missed FG problem with kicking some extra points!! I haven't seen one kicked in a month now!! Ridiculous.

No, that can't be right (/checks stats. . .)

ROBDOG66 wrote:.. Tim Ryan was saying that Graham Gano was making 63 yarders in pre-game warmups, yet missing 40 yarders in the game.

did you not think it was important which direction the kickers were doing well ?

BOTH kickers were having trouble kicking into the wind - DUH

I noticed we don't have nearly as many folks saying the Skins are improving, or they are rebuilding. I don't care what anybody says, they are NOT improving, and they may be rebuilding, but they aren't having any success. The Skins are horrible and I have my doubts they could even beat the Colts. The Skins may very well be the worst team in the league. This team is cursed....

hawaiiantribe wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Today pretty clearly showed that Grossman makes us more competitive week in, week out. He made a dozen pass attempts that Beck simply has not been capable of making. (It was great to see a pass sail more than 20 yards in the air!)

Sure Beck might have more upside in the long run.

You bummed me out with this assessment, since i respect your opinion (and only followed the game ply-by-play on the phone in church style).
I was pretty upset Wrex got back in. Interceptions kill.
I thought Beck was improving every week, fixing his own problems each outing.

I'm not a fan of Grossman either, really. But until we draft a QB or get extremely lucky in free agency, I just don't see stability at the position.

With a better offensive line, Grossman might be a so-so QB for us: good enough to win games. Good enough to go 3-1, even.

Today was a blaring endictment of Shanahan's poor power of observation.
Beck played against three of the tougher teams on the schedule thus far, and did so with a absurd front line, no moss, no hightower. With each week he obviously improved major shortcomings of the prior week. The dolphins were one of the easier teams on the schedule this year and would've provided the perfect opportunity to see if beck could continue his record of week over week improvement by holding onto the ball a little longer and making some longer throws, especially since Miami's secondary is pretty bad. Shanahan's inability to see this perfect scenario unfolding and to see if Beck could make another step in improving his game is nothing short of astonishing. Beck is not a great QB and may never be but Grossman is always the same, there is no improvement, and we know exactly what we have. Unfortunately for John Beck, we will never know how good he could've become.

tammet wrote:Today was a blaring endictment of Shanahan's poor power of observation.
Beck played against three of the tougher teams on the schedule thus far, and did so with a absurd front line, no moss, no hightower. With each week he obviously improved major shortcomings of the prior week. The dolphins were one of the easier teams on the schedule this year and would've provided the perfect opportunity to see if beck could continue his record of week over week improvement by holding onto the ball a little longer and making some longer throws, especially since Miami's secondary is pretty bad. Shanahan's inability to see this perfect scenario unfolding and too see if Beck could make another step in improving his game is nothing short of astonishing. Grossman is always the same, there is no improvement, and we know exactly what we have. Unfortunately for John Beck, we will never know how good he could've become.

Yup. Shanahan is second guessing himself, and starting to have the look of a coach in the midst of a panic attack.

Hey, Coach! Pick a bad quarterback, and stick with him. It's not as if you are winning any rings this year. For crying out loud...

ROBDOG66 wrote:I am losing all hope in our kicking game. Tim Ryan was saying that Graham Gano was making 63 yarders in pre-game warmups, yet missing 40 yarders in the game. How about practicing at the distances you may see in the game?

Gano missed FG attempts from 49 and 50 yards.

Gano is not our problem. He's a positive on the team, and he's young. Finally the prospect of a long-term solution at kicker.

Yup. Shanahan is second guessing himself, and starting to have the look of a coach in the midst of a panic attack.

Hey, Coach! Pick a bad quarterback, and stick with him. It's not as if you are winning any rings this year. For crying out loud...

Correct, both QB's are bad, but why do you bench the one who is actually improving his game from week to week? One thing about Beck, he seems to be painfully aware of his bad habits and you can see him actively correcting them with each week. That is more that you can say for many players. Regardless of both QB's shortfalls, the OL problems and the lack of a deep threat would make any QB look mediocre. Alternatively, Alex smith is a good example of how a good OL can make a mediocre QB look pretty good.

tammet wrote:Today was a blaring endictment of Shanahan's poor power of observation.
Beck played against three of the tougher teams on the schedule thus far, and did so with a absurd front line, no moss, no hightower. With each week he obviously improved major shortcomings of the prior week. The dolphins were one of the easier teams on the schedule this year and would've provided the perfect opportunity to see if beck could continue his record of week over week improvement by holding onto the ball a little longer and making some longer throws, especially since Miami's secondary is pretty bad. Shanahan's inability to see this perfect scenario unfolding and to see if Beck could make another step in improving his game is nothing short of astonishing. Beck is not a great QB and may never be but Grossman is always the same, there is no improvement, and we know exactly what we have. Unfortunately for John Beck, we will never know how good he could've become.

Echoes the voices in my head

tammet wrote:

Yup. Shanahan is second guessing himself, and starting to have the look of a coach in the midst of a panic attack.

Hey, Coach! Pick a bad quarterback, and stick with him. It's not as if you are winning any rings this year. For crying out loud...

Correct, both QB's are bad, but why do you bench the one who is actually improving his game from week to week? One thing about Beck, he seems to be painfully aware of his bad habits and you can see him actively correcting them with each week. That is more that you can say for many players. Regardless of both QB's shortfalls, the OL problems and the lack of a deep threat would make any QB look mediocre. Alternatively, Alex smith is a good example of how a good OL can make a mediocre QB look pretty good.

What improvement? Beck is terrible. At least Rex is willing to take some chances. Neither is the future so it really doesn't matter we play, we are goin g to be terrible either way.

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StorminMormon86 wrote:Beck gives us a better chance to win. Period.

+1

Yeah cuz he's won soooo many games already......yup

If Shanahan intends to piss away the rest of the season, why on Earth would he plug Wrecks back in? Just look at what happened against the Fins yesterday...he was looking like Dan Marino (against a 30th ranked D though) and just when the thought of "wow he may have improved" popped into your head he threw a pick. Same ol' Wrecks. We know what we have in him. We have Beck through 2012. I cannot comprehend why they wouldn't stick with Beck to see if he keeps improving to see if he could be good as a serviceable QB for this team. Our running game sucks, or O-Line sucks, so we are going to be forced to throw the ball more every game. And people have faith in Grossman in that system? I'd rather watch Captain Checkdown version 2 possibly improve rather than this garbage.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Beck gives us a better chance to win. Period.

Seriously? Beck has NEVER won an NFL game. NEVER. 0-7.

He's started in seven games. SEVEN. He kept us in contention with the Panthers, got slaughtered by the Bills, and scored a TD and a 2 pt conversion against the 49ers. Both coaches said he was improving his mistakes weekly, so why not see how high his ceiling is? Rex supporters will continue to point out the fact that Beck is winless. What has Rex done for this team this season thus far? Proven that in only six games he can score 6 TD's and throw 11 INT's. This is the second game in a row with Grossman without throwing a TD. There is no getting better or going forward. With Beck we have him until next year so why wouldn't they ride the season out with him?

StorminMormon86 wrote:He's started in seven games. SEVEN. He kept us in contention with the Panthers, got slaughtered by the Bills, and scored a TD and a 2 pt conversion against the 49ers. Both coaches said he was improving his mistakes weekly, so why not see how high his ceiling is? Rex supporters will continue to point out the fact that Beck is winless. What has Rex done for this team this season thus far? Proven that in only six games he can score 6 TD's and throw 11 INT's. This is the second game in a row with Grossman without throwing a TD. There is no getting better or going forward. With Beck we have him until next year so why wouldn't they ride the season out with him?

I'm not a supporter of either of our QB's. Hopefully only one is on the roster next year and he is backing up our franchise QB. That being said Grossman is better than Beck. Beck is awful. That TD against the 49ers came in garbage time when the game was already over. He can't throw the ball downfield and he still threw a few picks in his starts this year. I was all for leaving Beck in for at least this week, but Grossman does give us the better chance to win. Its sad that I'm saying that because it shows how bad our QB situation is when Rex is our best option.

Grossman is better than Beck. And the players know it. If Shanny plays Beck over Grossman the team might quit on him.

And Grossman scored a TD in what quarter yesterday? Yep, glad he's starting again.

Countertrey wrote:

tammet wrote:Today was a blaring endictment of Shanahan's poor power of observation.
Beck played against three of the tougher teams on the schedule thus far, and did so with a absurd front line, no moss, no hightower. With each week he obviously improved major shortcomings of the prior week. The dolphins were one of the easier teams on the schedule this year and would've provided the perfect opportunity to see if beck could continue his record of week over week improvement by holding onto the ball a little longer and making some longer throws, especially since Miami's secondary is pretty bad. Shanahan's inability to see this perfect scenario unfolding and too see if Beck could make another step in improving his game is nothing short of astonishing. Grossman is always the same, there is no improvement, and we know exactly what we have. Unfortunately for John Beck, we will never know how good he could've become.

Yup. Shanahan is second guessing himself, and starting to have the look of a coach in the midst of a panic attack.

Hey, Coach! Pick a bad quarterback, and stick with him. It's not as if you are winning any rings this year. For crying out loud...

Agreed. His back and forth suggests to me that he doesn't have a full grasp on talent evaluation. If he thought so highly of John Beck--a player with little experience--then why not roll with him from the beginning of the year?? At least then, he'd be more experienced and perhaps more ready going into next season. But, he obviously thought this team could win with Grossman now. But, then when Grossman showed us who he's been all along, he's gone through these spastic girations at the QB position, all the while getting the same results.

Bottom line is we stink. He's been wrong 3 times at least. McNabb was no better than Campbell, Grossman is no better than Beck (well maybe a little), and Beck sucks. I guess Johnathan Crompton is on deck now??

Sheesh. All I'd like is some consistency so that we can at least look like an NFL team before handing the reigns to a young QB. At this rate, whoever we draft is going to be the best QB on the team. Putting a rookie into this mess isn't a recipe for success. Get it together Shanahan. Since taking over this team, our Defense has gotten worse, and so has our offense. He's failed all around.

I doubt that either Grossman or Beck will be here next season to help prepare the QB we draft

The Hogster wrote:His back and forth suggests to me that he doesn't have a full grasp on talent evaluation

Or....he has two quarterbacks who suck. Grossman has talent, but he's a screw up. It's not that complicated. QB is the hardest role to fill. You don't just blink one up.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:His back and forth suggests to me that he doesn't have a full grasp on talent evaluation

Or....he has two quarterbacks who suck. Grossman has talent, but he's a screw up. It's not that complicated. QB is the hardest role to fill. You don't just blink one up.

The problem is that his track record with qbs is not very good. Look at the guys that he's brought in to play for him since Elway retired...Chris Miller, Griese, Plummer, Kannell, Beuerlein, Jarious Jackson, Gus Frerotte, Cutler, McNabb, Grossman, and Beck. Not sure if I'm missing anyone but as far as I know those are the guys that have started games for him since Elway retired from the Broncos. That's almost as bad as what we've seen here since Gibbs retired for the first time.