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RayNAustin wrote:Skinsfan55 wrote:Shouldn't this be called the "postmortem" thread instead of the postgame thread?
The Redskins are cooked and Shanahan has made very little progress as head coach. Then again, he hasn't had a decent QB to work with. The Skins hit the re-set button on this season and didn't spend valuable picks on a QB. Okay... hopefully we're active in FA next season and get a real O-Line and we add one of the brilliant young QB's.
Let me say what seems obvious to me, but maybe not so obvious to others.
Shanahan picked the QBs. He picked McNabb last year, and that was a debacle, including how he handled him, and he picked Grossman as the backup to McNabb. Shanahan also picked Beck, and claimed he didn't need to draft a QB, as he would stake his reputation on Beck. Then after the preseason, he names Grossman the Starter, who proceeds to go 3-2, albeit not very pretty. So he shifts gears and starts Beck, and what little offense that existed under Grossman's management, disappeared like a thief in the night. Am I missing anything here? Oh yes, I am .... Mike Shanahan also picked that just older than a teenage twerp to be his Offensive Coordinator ...and I apologize in advance if such bluntness is "offensive" to anyone ... but after watching Kyle's offense, I don't see how anyone could find that nearly as offensive as watching his offense fail to perform.
Who are these coaches anyway? How do you give up 9 sacks in one game to a team that was averaging less than 1 sack per game? Who's coaching the QB and the line? Who's coaching (or not coaching) up these receivers who seem to be the ONLY NFL receivers that can be covered for 7 seconds without gaining separation? How can you fail again and again against teams struggling on defense ... must the Redskins be the universal get well medicine that every D-Coordinator needs, making every poor defense in the NFL feel like the 85 Bears for one day at least? Do we need another Bingo Man to come in and install a dose of wisdom and common sense?
The common denominator here is Mike & Kyle, and as it stands right now, both Grossman and Beck have performed more poorly than did McNabb, even though he was expected to perform in a brand new system immediately out of the blocks, with a poorer o-line and an entire offensive team learning a new scheme. So far, the offense has regressed over the first 6 games, and literally imploded yesterday into an embarrassment even Jim Zorn never matched. (I know, I'm throwing low blows now).
But really ... is it really much better under Mikey? Actually not. After 23 games, 9-14 is worse than Zorn, worse than anyone else if I recall the graphic NFL put up yesterday about Redskin coaches and their records. But did we really need the graphic? No ... the results are painfully obvious, and if I seem frustrated, that's because I am particularly frustrated with worse results coming from a coach with the highest level of arrogance since Marty (but at least he had some justification for his).
But I'm not the only one ... did you see London Fletcher seething mad on the sideline yesterday after that TD? Do you see these guys grasping at air on defense, big play after big play, and guys grasping at straws with these endless 3 and outs, after 3 and outs on offense? Gift wrap a ball, and place it in the Red Zone and this offense still can't even score a 3 pointer?
I refuse to blame the defense, even after the past two weeks, because they are constantly being put back on the field, with no help from a totally inept offense that is stuck in reverse.
It's easy to say everything would be different, if we only had a good QB. But I dare say if we did, we still wouldn't see it, because whatever failure might occur, it would be cardio vascular or some other excuse related, and not due to a system that was made successful by a couple of guys in Houston who are very good at playing catch.
And we're stuck with one Shanahan because of the other.
frankcal20 wrote:stacylee12 wrote:Torrain ran the ball 8 times.
8.
8.
That's ridiculous in a 9 sack game.
Of course, you have to run block to get yards in the run game. But it is easier to run block than pass protect. Survey 100 O-Lineman, 100 will say so. It is not as if we abandoned the run because we were too busy passing for 1st downs.
I am not making this up! This is not my personal bright idea. This is what our coaches said, including "Future Hall of Famer" Mike Shanahan.
Kyle Shanahan, September 16th:
“You always want to be able to stick with it. It’s always a challenge as a play-caller when you’re not getting as much yardage as you want but that’s usually how the NFL is. If you can stick with it, usually one busts free. We didn’t get that but we were able to move the chains and pick up first downs, which allows you to keep mixing it up.”
Mike Shanahan, September 29th:
“First of all, we’re going to run the football. If they look at rushing attempts, we’re going to be in the top 10. We believe in the running game. We’ve got to be more effective. That’s the bottom line. Anybody that’s going to complain about getting carries on our football team, then they’ve got to go to a different league. Because, you know, we’ll be in the top 10 normally. If not, we’re not nearly as effective as we need to be, because that’s part of our philosophy. But I think now we’re eighth in rushing attempts, and we’ll probably continue to be pretty close to the top 10. We’d just like more plays and we’d like to execute them a little bit better.”
While I agree with you and believe you have to run the ball to be an effective offense, I can't believe that this team can do it right now given their current personnel. These quotes were given before we lost our lineman. Right now we have Montgomery who is playing out of position at Guard. Cook is not ready to be a starter. Locklier has played LT in the league for years but he needs help if the LG is having a tough time as well. If Williams get's back in there 90% healthy, I think the line improves greatly but until you move Mont. back to center and put in an adaquate LG, it's going to be more of the same as we saw last week. Running Passing, it won't matter b/c there is no protection or holes up front.
SprintRightOption wrote:At week four last year the Chicago Bear's were 3-0. QB Jay Cutler got sacked 9 times in just the first half of their Monday Night game against the Giants and got knocked out with a concussion. The Bears went on to the NFC Championship.
As bad as yesterday was, it could have been worse. Really bad games are not a predictor of future performance.
SprintRightOption wrote:As bad as yesterday was, it could have been worse. Really bad games are not a predictor of future performance.
StorminMormon86 wrote:With all of that pressure being sent, you would have think Kyle would have called a screen pass or two. He NEVER did, not once in the entire game. That falls solely on Kyle, IMO.
StorminMormon86 wrote:With all of that pressure being sent, you would have think Kyle would have called a screen pass or two. He NEVER did, not once in the entire game. That falls solely on Kyle, IMO.
skinpride1 wrote:Here is a good look at the 9 sacks from the Bills game. The link below click on it. Good Stuff.
http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/10/31/252 ... e-redskins
Shows how much Beck really blew it he was as much at fault as the o-line.
The O-line did play poorly but the clips really show how Beck is holding on to the ball to long missing reads and missing wide open receivers.
Remember at start of the season how Grossman was getting the ball out quickly hitting receivers before defenses caught on and started to scheme against grossman taking away the right middle of the field where he liked to throw. That's right Grossman is too one dimensional.
skinpride1 wrote:Here is a good look at the 9 sacks from the Bills game. The link below click on it. Good Stuff.
http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/10/31/252 ... e-redskins
Shows how much Beck really blew it he was as much at fault as the o-line.
The O-line did play poorly but the clips really show how Beck is holding on to the ball to long missing reads and missing wide open receivers.
Remember at start of the season how Grossman was getting the ball out quickly hitting receivers before defenses caught on and started to scheme against grossman taking away the right middle of the field where he liked to throw. That's right Grossman is too one dimensional.
