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SkinsJock wrote:Beck is not taking the Redskins to the Super Bowl
- Mike would have had him in there already if he'd seen those sort of qualities during practice

Always the optimist, eh SJ? Belicheat probably would have had Brady "in there already if he'd seen those sort of qualities during practice," too.

You have to give a guy an opportunity before you can count him out.

this is really simple - Mike KNOWS Grossman gave them the best chance to win

there is NO WAY that Mike starts Grossman over Beck if he thinks Beck is the better QB - duh

now ... let's take that 1 more step - Beck may take the Redskins to the Super Bowl
... the chances of that happening are NOT good at all - BECAUSE from what Mike has seen of Beck in practice - and this is a QB that Mike wanted to be here - Grossman 'won' the starting job
- MAYBE not in our minds - IF Beck 'looked like a SB capable QB then he would have been the starter - duh


look - Beck is going to get a chance and I hope he's capable - if he's good, so much the better

let's not elevate him too much yet - he's only starting his 5th game for crying out loud

SkinsJock wrote:this is really simple - Mike KNOWS Grossman gave them the best chance to win

there is NO WAY that Mike starts Grossman over Beck if he thinks Beck is the better QB - duh

Obviously, but to my point about Brady, Belichick didn't think he was better than Bledsoe, from his turn on the practice field, either. He had to see him in real game action to realize that. Why not give Beck a chance to play his first start since his rookie season, before telling everybody what he can't do?

Plus its entirely possible Shanny wanted Beck as healthy as possible from his injury before starting... Not that gross man won any kind of battle on field

Wish I could say I shared this optimism. Best case scenario, IMHO — or maybe I should say "what I think is a realistic best case scenario" — is that Beck plays about as well as Grossman minus turnovers. Maybe he connects on more of his deep passes, too. But I don't see him sparking a revolution in our offensive play.

cvillehog wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

cvillehog wrote:Meaning we'll trade him away and he'll be a pro bowl qb for the Raiders? Seems like they're sort of set with Carson Palmer and Jason Campbell...

It's bad enough when people focus on any Skin who does well somewhere else for the we're stupid and we suck mantra, but to do it with Campbell who actually does suck? Please, you need better schtick...

I need a new schtick? You need a new sense of humor!

I do pretty well. So if you're saying it was a joke I'm cool. But how the...heck...am I supposed to know exactly that someone is kidding when their "joke" is what is said for real constantly?

SkinsJock wrote:

cvillehog wrote:

kaz wrote: ... It's bad enough when people focus on any Skin who does well somewhere else for the we're stupid and we suck mantra, but to do it with Campbell who actually does suck? Please, you need better schtick...

I need a new schtick? You need a new sense of humor!

sorry mate - Kaz has no sense of humor, zero, zilch

what you 'see' is about as funny as it gets

It is what it is!

Irn-Bru wrote:Wish I could say I shared this optimism. Best case scenario, IMHO — or maybe I should say "what I think is a realistic best case scenario" — is that Beck plays about as well as Grossman minus turnovers. Maybe he connects on more of his deep passes, too. But I don't see him sparking a revolution in our offensive play.

Maybe not, but to count him out before he's played a down as the starter, is kind of pessimistic, don't you think?

Deadskins wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Wish I could say I shared this optimism. Best case scenario, IMHO — or maybe I should say "what I think is a realistic best case scenario" — is that Beck plays about as well as Grossman minus turnovers. Maybe he connects on more of his deep passes, too. But I don't see him sparking a revolution in our offensive play.

Maybe not, but to count him out before he's played a down as the starter, is kind of pessimistic, don't you think?

Minus Grossman's turnovers and hitting on more deep passes makes this a 30+ points a game. The deep balls will improve the running game and lack of turnovers would mean more opportunities. Nine picks and two fumbles not happening means the defense gets to stay off the field, or not have to defend a short field (considering Sav is one of the best punters in the NFL). Not to mention the red zone turnovers that should have been points.

Like I've said "The Shannies really had no choice".

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Beck is not taking the Redskins to the Super Bowl
- Mike would have had him in there already if he'd seen those sort of qualities during practice

Always the optimist, eh SJ? Belicheat probably would have had Brady "in there already if he'd seen those sort of qualities during practice," too.

You have to give a guy an opportunity before you can count him out.

I'm actually, very hopeful dead man - I'll enjoy watching this as it plays out

hope I'm wrong and I'll gladly admit that you're a much better judge of QB talent - if it happens

ha

c'mon dead man - NOBODY's counting Beck out - i'm hoping he's really good

Are you kidding me - what does stupid Belicheat have to do with this - are you thinking we have a QB in Beck that is even close to playing the same game as Brady

give me a break - Beck is NEVER, EVER going to be CLOSE to being considered one of the best QBs to play the game


ARE YOU DRINKING OR SMOKING SOMETHING

this is one of those - you don't know how little some fans know ... until they show you moments

Beck is a QB - Brady is a legend

I think we all hope that Beck can be a good QB

Beck is NEVER likely to be even considered as one of the very good QBs to ever play in the NFL

OR that you think that all Beck has been needing is a chance to show how truly great he can be

c'mon man


Beck's likely a good QB - that will be fine - we'll all be thrilled

hope your right
i will settle for a good decision maker i can live with having to punt its the turnovers that have killed us.
some long drives and tds not fgs .... our redzone needs to be productive

At worst I hope Beck is "Trent Dilferesque" in terms of a solid game manager who doesn't turn the ball over who relies mostly on the Skins D to win the games for us. At best he surprises everyone and really is the solution to the Skins QB problem.

1niksder wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Wish I could say I shared this optimism. Best case scenario, IMHO — or maybe I should say "what I think is a realistic best case scenario" — is that Beck plays about as well as Grossman minus turnovers. Maybe he connects on more of his deep passes, too. But I don't see him sparking a revolution in our offensive play.

Maybe not, but to count him out before he's played a down as the starter, is kind of pessimistic, don't you think?

Minus Grossman's turnovers and hitting on more deep passes makes this a 30+ points a game. The deep balls will improve the running game and lack of turnovers would mean more opportunities. Nine picks and two fumbles not happening means the defense gets to stay off the field, or not have to defend a short field (considering Sav is one of the best punters in the NFL). Not to mention the red zone turnovers that should have been points.

Like I've said "The Shannies really had no choice".

+1

I remember Rich Gannon at QB for the Redskins in '93. Not good.

I'm hoping for something better from Beck.

i thought Beck played very well today and looks like a solid option for us in the short-term at least and definitely a major upgrade over Grossman. neither the fumble or INT were his fault (hit while throwing on immediate pass pressure on the fumble, Hankerson ran the wrong route on the INT).

furthermore, i'm encouraged that we held up OK with so many starters out on the o-line. the defense is the concern at this point. and all the dropped passes.

If Beck DID suddenly become a valuable QB in the NFL Shanahan would be the luckiest coach in the NFL. I'm gonna remain realistic on this one. I doubt he's anything more than Jason Campbell if that. QB is a position we need to address.

Skinsfan55 wrote:If Beck DID suddenly become a valuable QB in the NFL Shanahan would be the luckiest coach in the NFL. I'm gonna remain realistic on this one. I doubt he's anything more than Jason Campbell if that. QB is a position we need to address.

why would it make him "lucky" if he identified Beck's talent and shrewdly acquired him? just because no one else wanted him (if in fact that is the case) wanted him doesn't mean you're lucky if he turns out to be good like you alone thought; it means you're smart.

die cowboys die wrote:i thought Beck played very well today and looks like a solid option for us in the short-term at least and definitely a major upgrade over Grossman. neither the fumble or INT were his fault (hit while throwing on immediate pass pressure on the fumble, Hankerson ran the wrong route on the INT).

furthermore, i'm encouraged that we held up OK with so many starters out on the o-line. the defense is the concern at this point. and all the dropped passes.

Beck surprised me a lot today - not saying we're going to see a great QB here but this kid did just fine

let me put it another way - Beck can help the offense a lot

SkinsJock wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:i thought Beck played very well today and looks like a solid option for us in the short-term at least and definitely a major upgrade over Grossman. neither the fumble or INT were his fault (hit while throwing on immediate pass pressure on the fumble, Hankerson ran the wrong route on the INT).

furthermore, i'm encouraged that we held up OK with so many starters out on the o-line. the defense is the concern at this point. and all the dropped passes.

Beck surprised me a lot today - not saying we're going to see a great QB here but this kid did just fine

let me put it another way - Beck can help the offense a lot

2 turnovers. About the same as Grossman in that regard. Can't win at that rate.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:i thought Beck played very well today and looks like a solid option for us in the short-term at least and definitely a major upgrade over Grossman. neither the fumble or INT were his fault (hit while throwing on immediate pass pressure on the fumble, Hankerson ran the wrong route on the INT).

furthermore, i'm encouraged that we held up OK with so many starters out on the o-line. the defense is the concern at this point. and all the dropped passes.

Beck surprised me a lot today - not saying we're going to see a great QB here but this kid did just fine

let me put it another way - Beck can help the offense a lot

2 turnovers. About the same as Grossman in that regard. Can't win at that rate.

The fumble was on Brown... the pick on Hankerson... but, whatever...

Countertrey wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:i thought Beck played very well today and looks like a solid option for us in the short-term at least and definitely a major upgrade over Grossman. neither the fumble or INT were his fault (hit while throwing on immediate pass pressure on the fumble, Hankerson ran the wrong route on the INT).

furthermore, i'm encouraged that we held up OK with so many starters out on the o-line. the defense is the concern at this point. and all the dropped passes.

Beck surprised me a lot today - not saying we're going to see a great QB here but this kid did just fine

let me put it another way - Beck can help the offense a lot

2 turnovers. About the same as Grossman in that regard. Can't win at that rate.

The fumble was on Brown... the pick on Hankerson... but, whatever...

Yea, and he also had about 2-3 other passes that easily could've been picked. It doesn't matter how it happens, 2 turnovers is 2 turnovers and the only constant between that is the qb.

CanesSkins26 wrote:2 turnovers. About the same as Grossman in that regard. Can't win at that rate.

If you watched the game, that is so uninsightful a point. Beck got hit while his arm was in backward motion to throw, the other fumble was after the catch. And Grossman has played in recent years and this year and with the starters and has more experience in general.

I saw your other point and Grossman had close calls too. So what you have is:

There were 2 turnovers that were clearly not Beck's fault, you're going to ignore experience and prep in is FIRST game starting and you're going to hold close calls against him but not Grossman.

As I said, uninsightful.

CanesSkins26 wrote:It doesn't matter how it happens, 2 turnovers is 2 turnovers

In comparing Beck to Grossman it doensn't matter how the team turned over the ball? The O Line let's him get hit from behind ready to throw? A receiver drops the ball? Gotcha...