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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:08 pm
by DarthMonk
From LONG AGO IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY:
DarthMonk wrote:OL - Ryan Harris - Broncos
RB - commit to new youth - Royster & Helu, I like Torrain a lot but look for a good trade
QB - go with Beck, cut McNabb - hold nose and resign Grossman
WR - re-sign Moss and keep in slot, go after Rice from Vikings, throw Hankerson in there from day one
CB - stay away from Asomugha, he's awesome but will cost too much, try to re-sign Rodgers for reasonable $, otherwise go after Josh Wilson
In all close calls go with youth. Don't worry too much about our record this year.
Talk to Kyle about going long so often late in halves when a first down is crucial.
DarthMonk
The Plan...I Hope
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:44 pm
by GoSkins
Year 1: Play the hand your're dealt
Year 2: Fix Defense
Year 3: Fix Offense
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:51 pm
by Redskin in Canada
I like the decision. HC and son accepted their mistake.
Time for Beck to show what he's got. I feel he will play well. It is his make of break chance in his career.
Go John!
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:12 pm
by Countertrey
The Hogster wrote:The zone scheme is predicated on tiring out the oppossing defense. Eventually, the athletic linemen stretch the defense out and big runs are broken through open lanes or backside cuts. You cant tire the defense without some run consitency. I think thats why people bash Kyle. He tends to abandon the run even when the game is still in reach.
Yup. You can't beat the other team's D Line and LB's down when you give up on the run after the 2nd series.
There were plenty of games in the 80's, when the run game was stuffed repeatedly in the first half... and then it would catch up with the Dline... and holes started appearing. If you intend to be a running team... well... you have to run.
One of the problems is, no one fears our passing game... that does help to loosen things up... but, geeze...
Re: The Plan...I Hope
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:16 pm
by Red_One43
GoSkins wrote:Year 1: Play the hand your're dealt
Year 2: Fix Defense
Year 3: Fix Offense
That looks like the course.
Sadly in year 1, McNabb turned out to be a blunderous trade. Had Shanny gotten out of him what he anticipated (
McNabb changing his mechanics and working longer hours), we might be talking 5-0 at this point in year 2.
Also in Year 1 was - put in the defensive and offensive schemes even though the personnel didn't fit. In the long run, it was the right thing to do.
Re: The Plan...I Hope
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:29 pm
by chiefhog44
GoSkins wrote:Year 1: Play the hand your're dealt
Year 2: Fix Defense
Year 3: Fix Offense
Exactly right. By year three, the D is sick and the O will catch up
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:30 pm
by SkinsJock
CanesSkins26 wrote:.. It's hard not to react when you're down 20-3 or 20-6. I would understand some of these arguments if we had a decent running game, but we don't.
fact is our offense is not ready to suddenly be something we are not
if we get down by 20, we should continue to do what we CAN do
NOT make the hole deeper by trying stuff with players that do not suit the plays Kyle wants to run
FIRST OFF - DON"T GET DOWN BY 20 - accept the fact that we're a scrappy team and hope for the best
eliminate mistakes offensively and play to our strength - DEFENSE
NOTE to Kyle: - DO NOT try and do stuff we cannot do
If we are getting a lot of points scored against us it's NOT because of our defense - it's been because our offense has given the other team the ball
KYLE SHOULD NOT BE CALLING PLAYS THAT HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF TURNING THE BALL OVER
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:01 pm
by skinsfan#33
SkinsJock wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:.. It's hard not to react when you're down 20-3 or 20-6. I would understand some of these arguments if we had a decent running game, but we don't.
fact is our offense is not ready to suddenly be something we are not
if we get down by 20, we should continue to do what we CAN do
NOT make the hole deeper by trying stuff with players that do not suit the plays Kyle wants to run
FIRST OFF - DON"T GET DOWN BY 20 - accept the fact that we're a scrappy team and hope for the best
eliminate mistakes offensively and play to our strength - DEFENSE
NOTE to Kyle: - DO NOT try and do stuff we cannot do.
If we are getting a lot of points scored against us it's NOT because of our defense - it's been because our offense has given the other team the ball
KYLE SHOULD NOT BE CALLING PLAYS THAT HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF TURNING THE BALL OVER
I don't agree with most of what you said.
What you are suggesting is if something isn't working keep doing it regardless even of there simply is no expectation ford it to start working.
The Defense was exactly who is to blame for us getting down by 20! Is it too much to ask for them to force a punt or three. The D was every bit as the offense in the first half. The D was much better in the second half but that had almost as much to do with the E girls not needing to score any more.
I know you don't like what Kyle called, but this notion that you should keep winning plays that aren't working, just because you don't trust Rex is just emotional fan nonsense.
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:19 am
by SkinsJock
I'm not suggesting anything like that - you're looking at it that way
Just take a look at the number of running plays and the number of pass plays this team has used so far
- we are NOT a pass oriented offense ... yet
Kyle calls TOO MANY plays based on what he thinks will work, not what this offense is good enough to handle .... yet
we get away from the run game simply because we are behind - we are not set up to do that well ... yet
part of the reason we are behind is because Kyle is calling plays that Grossman & the offense aren't good enough to execute
I understand that we will pass the ball but I think that Kyle's play calling needs to cut back on the number of pass plays and should ONLY include 'safer' pass plays ... for now
Beck will help cut down on the turnovers - this offense needs to be more run oriented
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:00 am
by StorminMormon86
I like attempting the "big play" from time to time. It's ballsy, and when effective will result in points on the board. I just don't like Kyle calling for a "big play" almost three times every drive. Maybe once or twice a game at most, until the offense proves they can execute it properly.
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:08 am
by SkinsJock
I guess I'm just frustrated that Kyle seems to be trying too much - we do not need to be flashy or 'ballsy'
this offense is getting there and has some good things going for it - we do NOT have a really good QB
I'll admit to not being a Kyle fan .... YET - Kyle needs to throttle it back a little
be interesting to see if he becomes a little more careful with Beck
we all want flash but we really need to just be more effective and I think that using the clock and more of the run game will help
we have not managed our time with the ball on offense well and as a result we have put more pressure on our defense
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:01 pm
by StorminMormon86
I think we managed the clock decently (with the exception of not hurrying up despite the fact that we were down 2 scores) in the 4th quarter. If we continue to get first downs and into the red zone, the game will be in our favor. We have to keep that TOP high.
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:50 pm
by Shabutie
SkinsJock wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:.. It's hard not to react when you're down 20-3 or 20-6. I would understand some of these arguments if we had a decent running game, but we don't.
fact is our offense is not ready to suddenly be something we are not
if we get down by 20, we should continue to do what we CAN do
NOT make the hole deeper by trying stuff with players that do not suit the plays Kyle wants to run
FIRST OFF - DON"T GET DOWN BY 20 - accept the fact that we're a scrappy team and hope for the best
eliminate mistakes offensively and play to our strength - DEFENSE
NOTE to Kyle: - DO NOT try and do stuff we cannot do
If we are getting a lot of points scored against us it's NOT because of our defense - it's been because our offense has given the other team the ball
KYLE SHOULD NOT BE CALLING PLAYS THAT HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF TURNING THE BALL OVER
This just does not make sense.
If we "do not do stuff that we cannot do" and we are not effectively running the ball. That would fall into the list of things we cannot do.
What plays do you think are being called that have a high chance of a turnover? If you are implying that any pass play has that chance then we are in big trouble. That would mean we cannot pass the ball (Too high of a chance of turnovers) and cannot run the ball ("Don't do stuff we cannot do")
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:16 pm
by redskinz4ever
that is GREAT news now maybe we can actually score a TD or 2 .....maybe.
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:37 pm
by Red_One43
Greg Cosell Tweets on May 18, 2011 concerning John Beck
Okay Redskins fans. Went back to film study notes of J. Beck senior year at BYU. Broke down 4 gms. This was after 2006 NFL season.
More J. Beck: Effortless mechanics, played relaxed + poised, game was in slow motion to him mentally, good touch + feel, very competitive.
More Beck: Low release point, became 5'11" instead of 6'2". Pocket awareness + understanding of pressure. Effective in muddied pocket.
More Beck: Good decision maker, a rhythm + flow to his game. Biggest issues on tape wefre arm strength (a real concern) + low release point.
More Beck: When I studied him I saw similarities to Brees (remember this was after 2006 season). Brees got chance to develop, Beck didn't.
A lot of questions re: Beck arm strength in Shanahan offense. To me, arm strength limitations always an issue, no matter what pass offense.
@redskinsblog Interesting point. My analysis from 2006 coaching tape. Very possible (like Brees) his arm has gotten stronger last few years.
More Beck: Not realistic to base long term evaluation on 4 starts in 2007 for bad MIA team. System QB who needs support (run, def, sp teams)
@coopersam Would have ranked Beck higher than Ponder + Dalton. Liked Beck coming out of BYU. Thought he was a starting NFL QB.
http://blog.redskins.com/2011/05/18/bac ... weighs-in/Greg Cosell on Beck on August 29, 2011
Back to Cosell talkng about the 2007 Beck before offering his current-day thoughts after the quarterback's pre-season opener...
Cosell: He had a good feel for the passing game. The ball came out quick. Obviously not a big arm, but not a weak arm. A timing-rhythm guy who understood the passing game. Obviously the few chances that he got early in his career, that three-game stretch in Miami where he had all those issues and he got tossed on the scrap heap and everybody forgot about him and decided that he can’t play.
I watched him this week against the Colts in the preseason game and he started to look a little more like the John Beck I remember. Whether that happens when the regular season starts I can’t answer that, but he looked like a professional quarterback.
Looked like a professional quarterback. That's a statement nobody outside the Shanahan's was willing to make, perhaps even before that Colts game.
http://www.csnchicago.com/pages/new_lan ... tagID=5441Today, I heard Greg Cosell on ESPN 980 talking about John Beck. He said that the biggest knock on him is he misses too many easy throws. He should have a higher completion percentage than what he delivers. He feels that Beck will be a better fit for the offense than Grossman, but Beck will not be the savior for this offense.
Skinny on Greg Cosell:To N.F.L. insiders, Cosell is a treasure trove of information. Pro football writers and broadcasters regularly hit him up privately for analysis. General managers ask for his assessment of draft prospects. Coaches are curious about his methods of breaking down film. “I got to know Greg from taking trips down to NFL Films over the last 15 or 20 years,” Sports Illustrated’s Peter King said. “He was always sort of the wizard behind the curtain. I always respected his opinion because you could tell he watches every game. He watches all the players. And it isn’t about who has the best stats, it’s about the best players.”
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011 ... l-matchup/
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:23 pm
by skinpride1
Good luck to John Beck hope you have a monster game against the Carolina Kittens.
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:25 pm
by ATX_Skins
"Call me... Kitty cat"
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:36 am
by redskinz4ever
stacylee12 wrote:Honestly, I think it is a mute point if we don't figure out how to Run The Football.
very true and that would help beck make good throws
Re: The Plan...I Hope
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:40 am
by redskinz4ever
GoSkins wrote:Year 1: Play the hand your're dealt
Year 2: Fix Defense
Year 3: Fix Offense
if he does it in 3 years i will bow to him
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:41 am
by skinsfan#33
redskinz4ever wrote:stacylee12 wrote:Honestly, I think it is a mute point if we don't figure out how to Run The Football.
very true and that would help beck make good throws
Having a competent QB helps your running game. If the D is not concerned with your QB beating them, then they can just stack the box. Just like Phily did, just like Dallas did, and just like the Rams started doing later in the game.
I would expect Carolina to stack the box too until Beck proves that they need to back off. He may be able to do it and maybe not.
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:41 am
by skinsfan#33
redskinz4ever wrote:stacylee12 wrote:Honestly, I think it is a mute point if we don't figure out how to Run The Football.
very true and that would help beck make good throws
Having a competent QB helps your running game. If the D is not concerned with your QB beating them, then they can just stack the box. Just like Phily did, just like Dallas did, and just like the Rams started doing later in the game.
I would expect Carolina to stack the box too until Beck proves that they need to back off. He may be able to do it and maybe not.