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welch wrote:

Smithian wrote:Like I said before;

I'm so glad we don't draft Ryan Mallett. So much happier we have John Beck and Jonathan Crompton for the future! We're truly blessed with those guys.

Worst thing about Mallet seems to have been "public intoxication", which would make him similar to Sonny in at least one aspect of quarterbacking.

Grrr.

I've never seen Ryan Mallet directing traffic at an accident on Military Rd and Nebraska Ave, NW...

However, I have seen Sonny doing that... and a fine job, it was, too... I think it was the Summer of 1970...

I voted "Head Explode", btw...

Countertrey wrote:

welch wrote:

Smithian wrote:Like I said before;

I'm so glad we don't draft Ryan Mallett. So much happier we have John Beck and Jonathan Crompton for the future! We're truly blessed with those guys.

Worst thing about Mallet seems to have been "public intoxication", which would make him similar to Sonny in at least one aspect of quarterbacking.

Grrr.

I've never seen Ryan Mallet directing traffic at an accident on Military Rd and Nebraska Ave, NW...

However, I have seen Sonny doing that... and a fine job, it was, too... I think it was the Summer of 1970...

I voted "Head Explode", btw...

I used to live over there. Not in 1970 though.

I went with a simple yes, I'm a simple guy...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I went with a simple yes, I'm a simple guy...

No argument on that one.

absinthe1023 wrote:Mallett is not the answer. He lacks dedication and is a druggie. If you ever wondered what the offspring of a Jeff George-Todd Marinovich affair would look like, Mallett is your guy.
Of course, the Pats drafted him for value in the third round, and will no doubt try to flip him somewhere else for a first rounder. I just hope the 'Skins don't take the bait.

It isn't the time or place for a Mallett argument, so I'll just finish off by saying "druggies" don't get elected the first sophomore captain in school history(before ever playing a down for the team), don't run the Bobby Petrino offense, don't bomb away in the SEC, and sure as heck don't lead their teams to a Sugar Bowl. Arkansas fans as much as anyone else can understand why off the field you might have questions about the guy, but once he steps into that lockerroom and puts on a helmet... He's as good as there is.

On topic, I want John Beck to start but I also I am trying to remember there has to be a reason Rex Grossman was the starter in the first place. I don't want to get to high on John Beck only to be disappointed.

Whoever starts, there is a long time left in this season. Plenty of time to either stay in playoff contention or to utterly collapse.

Smithian wrote:On topic, I want John Beck to start but I also I am trying to remember there has to be a reason Rex Grossman was the starter in the first place. I don't want to get to high on John Beck only to be disappointed.

Whoever starts, there is a long time left in this season. Plenty of time to either stay in playoff contention or to utterly collapse.

We have to remember that Grossman has always been Kyle Shanahan's "guy" ever since coming from Houston. I still think the reason McNabb was benched in favor of Grossman last year was to "showcase" Kyle's "talent" at the quarterback position. I also think that's why Grossman got the nod over Beck at the beginning of this season. By all accounts the Shanahan's are a stubborn bunch, and I think they wanted to prove to the world that even Rex Grossman (yes Wrecks Grossman) could be developed as a good quarterback in their "system". It's pretty obvious who makes the calls on offense anyway, especially when Beck said it was Kyle not Mike who told him he was in after Grossman's 4th pick. I'm with you though, I don't want to get high on Beck for him to be a bust BUT we still know what we have with Grossman. Based off of Beck's performance in the 4th quarter yesterday, at least we know Beck cannot possibly be any worse. My vote is for All of the Above, I want Beck starting the rest of the season.

John Beck should start because we have lost our left side of the OL and at least Beck can roll out. Grossman is a statue with a lot of bird droppings on him.

GoSkins wrote:John Beck should start because we have lost our left side of the OL and at least Beck can roll out. Grossman is a statue with a lot of bird droppings on him.

One thing I don't understand about Grossman is why he is always out of shape. His early career was marred by injury. He's never been very durable, yet his body looks like he doesn't roll out of bed until the day before camp every year.

rex has shown us whatever that was ...... so if we want to make a playoff run now is this best time while we are above .500 so please start beck

Smithian wrote:Like I said before;

I'm so glad we don't draft Ryan Mallett. So much happier we have John Beck and Jonathan Crompton for the future! We're truly blessed with those guys.

You know I was with you on this one, bro. He's a frickin' Brady clone physically. Wish he were a 'Skin.

DarthMonk

die cowboys die wrote:

Smithian wrote:Like I said before;

I'm so glad we don't draft Ryan Mallett. So much happier we have John Beck and Jonathan Crompton for the future! We're truly blessed with those guys.

i was definitely intrigued by Mallett and hoping we'd snag him. but i hope they had a really good reason to avoid him after doing their research and interviewing him and all.

Character issues. Turns out he drank beer in college.

DarthMonk

no idea how Beck will turn out obviously, but what i did really like was how he slid around in the pocket to find a spot to throw from.

I STILL vote "NO". If we look at the season in quarters, we went 3-1 in the first, and we are on pace to do the same in the 2nd quarter. Hopefully, Rex's relapse ended in the last game and we'll again see the disciplined team we saw in the 1st qtr of the season.

Should we go 3-1 in the 2nd Qtr of the season, to sit at 6-2, under Rex's guidance, would you still advocate for his benching?

Grossman is NOT the reason we are 3-1 - a better case could be made that we'd be 4-0 with Beck


I'd like to see Beck because this franchise has stopped looking short term
Grossman started the season & has clearly shown what he can do - he has NOT changed or improved

We need to keep building this offense - we might get into the playoffs but we are NOT close to being a really good offense


We do not need to focus on making the playoffs - we need to keep evaluating ALL of the players (ESPECIALLY on offense) so that we know who to build around next season

we need to follow the Shanaplan - if we make the playoffs, so much the better


Beck seems to be the more stable QB



Reality is we are not much better with either QB
we are NOT going 3-1 because of the QB - just like we were NOT 3-1 because of Grossman

The Hogster wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I went with a simple yes, I'm a simple guy...

No argument on that one.

Real men are

The Hogster wrote:

GoSkins wrote:John Beck should start because we have lost our left side of the OL and at least Beck can roll out. Grossman is a statue with a lot of bird droppings on him.

One thing I don't understand about Grossman is why he is always out of shape. His early career was marred by injury. He's never been very durable, yet his body looks like he doesn't roll out of bed until the day before camp every year.

His real issue is between his ears. Conditioning could certainly be a factor. His arm is a factor. But his brain is the critical issue.

The good thing is we're still 3-2 and we know what we have. A backup. If he wants to stay and groom kids with more talent and bigger arms then I could see him staying the better part of a decade. If he wants to start, see ya...

I blame Gross Man, watching the game on TV must've been heart-wrenching.. but being at the game was just torture. Your watching the dag gone ball moving soooo slow in the air and you see this little green midget of a DB just pop up and grab it like it was intended for him. I was all in favor of giving Grossman his chance (ask Kazo) but since Gross Man showed up in the smeagles game, he MUST go!

We should have Beck playing QB this week


NO MATTER who the QB is - Kyle needs to do a MUCH BETTER job as OC


Grossman should not have had the opportunity to do what he's shown he's very good at - Grossman turns the ball over

Kyle needs to examine his play calling too

langleyparkjoe wrote:I was all in favor of giving Grossman his chance (ask Kazo)

True dat, pro-bowl a given, franchise QB just about in the bag, beginning whispers of an HOF champagne, you were all over Grossman as our solution at QB...

I voted YES. But, I must say that after sobering up from Sunday, I would have been much more confident in Beck if we went with him from the beginning of the year. Maybe he can get caught up with practice repetitions, but maybe our best bet is to put Grossman back out there.

I don't know. But, at 3-2 and one game out of first place, now isn't necessarily time to panick.

I like Beck's upside better, but just a tad wary of handing him the reigns mid-season. Grossman has shown us that he's Grossman, so why did he win the competition in the first place is a better question.

The Hogster wrote:I like Beck's upside better, but just a tad wary of handing him the reigns mid-season. Grossman has shown us that he's Grossman, so why did he win the competition in the first place is a better question.

I don't think it's panic but more so confirmation of what we've seen before. Do we curtail the issue before it gets further out of hand?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I like Beck's upside better, but just a tad wary of handing him the reigns mid-season. Grossman has shown us that he's Grossman, so why did he win the competition in the first place is a better question.

I don't think it's panic but more so confirmation of what we've seen before. Do we curtail the issue before it gets further out of hand?

Might as well. If we're going to do it, I suppose the Panthers would be a good starting point. At least we know what we have in Grossman if we go back to him.

I understand the logic of not benching your starting quarterback when you have a winning record, but logic does not apply to your team if your starting quarterback is Rex Grossman. I still did not see how he "won" the starting job from Beck in the first place. Simply because he was the "veteran" who knew this offense better? Grossman has had his chance to show us that he has changed from his old ways over the course of the 8 games that he has started for the Skins. His record as a starter is 4-4 which is decent if you want to be a .500 team. However, he's turned the ball over 19 times since being named the starter! 19 times in 8 games is enough to prove without a shadow of a doubt that the "Bad Rex" is alive and well and isn't going anywhere anytime soon. He has regressed all season long. Why do people still want to see him as their starter? Ok so if they stick with Grossman and he goes to Carolina and lights up their D with 4 TD passes, who cares!? Everyone knows there's just another 4 INT game right around the corner and what happens if it's against another division rival? We needed to win that Eagles game to destroy any hopes the "Dream Team" had of being contenders in the NFC East. And thanks to Grossman, we helped them renew hope. And for that alone he should be benched. The time for Beck is now people.

StorminMormon86 wrote:I understand the logic of not benching your starting quarterback when you have a winning record, but logic does not apply to your team if your starting quarterback is Rex Grossman. I still did not see how he "won" the starting job from Beck in the first place. Simply because he was the "veteran" who knew this offense better? Grossman has had his chance to show us that he has changed from his old ways over the course of the 8 games that he has started for the Skins. His record as a starter is 4-4 which is decent if you want to be a .500 team. However, he's turned the ball over 19 times since being named the starter! 19 times in 8 games is enough to prove without a shadow of a doubt that the "Bad Rex" is alive and well and isn't going anywhere anytime soon. He has regressed all season long. Why do people still want to see him as their starter? Ok so if they stick with Grossman and he goes to Carolina and lights up their D with 4 TD passes, who cares!? Everyone knows there's just another 4 INT game right around the corner and what happens if it's against another division rival? We needed to win that Eagles game to destroy any hopes the "Dream Team" had of being contenders in the NFC East. And thanks to Grossman, we helped them renew hope. And for that alone he should be benched. The time for Beck is now people.

I personally wanted Rex to succeed. I admit now I was wrong about him. The thing to try to understand is the players are backing him. I wonder what it is they see Beck doing in practice? If you put Beck in and he fails then what? I think we have to go with Rex at this point for at least one more go or another really bad showing from him. I was all in favor of benching Rex when he threw the last one. Also remember that some of his interceptions were not his fault in previous games. Some were. Do you hang a guy because of his reputation when they drop, not block, or have passes that bounce in the air into the other teams hands? Rex has looked worse as the season has progressed but lets remember its a team game. So if this happens to Beck, it will all be ok because he doesn't have the bad rep yet? Lets face it we need a better QB. Why did Rex beat out Beck in the competition? The decision they made is one I agreed with despite lots of people saying "Beck has more upside"

Interesting dilemma for the father and son coaches:

1. Eat a bit of crow and switch to Beck to give him a real chance;

or ...

2. Remain stubbornly proud and go back to Rex.

Both choices have risks attached to them. Beck could still fail and Rex could have a few good-Rex games in him (about the same number as Bad-Rex and terrible-Rex combined though).

The real question is: what to do when BOTH QBs are NOT the franchise player this team desperately needs?

I voted YES but I remain skeptical that Beck is the future for next season. All I know is that I am sick to my stomach about throwing games away with Bad/Terrible Rex.