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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:49 pm
by ATX_Skins
Countertrey wrote:ATX_Skins wrote:Red_One43 wrote:Countertrey wrote:Haslett noted the other day that he is protecting Orakpo in coverage, by keeping his responsibilities simple. You will see Kerrigan in coverage much more... he's been beaten a few times, but with each game his skill picks up. Pass rush... Orakpo is just beginning to demonstrate new rush moves. Kerrigan has already shown that he has effective use of at least 3 rush moves. I have not seen Orakpo use a bull rush effectively... I have watched Kerrigan walk his blocker back into the quarterback several times on a bull rush technique.
Keeping in mind that Linebacker has multiple responsibilities... Kerrigan will be the better 3-4 Linebacker. Orakpo MAY prove the better pure pass rusher... though I'm not so sure
The real issue is, does it make any difference? Orakpo is on the blind side, generally, where his quickness can be used to greatest advantage. Both will rack up impressive stats... both will be making major contributions to the performance of the Defense. Both will end up having terrific careers... if they stay healthy. They are our modern day Mann and Manley... except... (I think) they will be better.
+1
I expected so much more out of you Red_one! I wanted to see highlights, CAPS LETTERS and super quotes!

Seems there's no need when the quoted text is exceptionally well stated

I hate being upstaged with humor... Good job Countertrey! till next time.
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:35 pm
by Red_One43
Countertrey wrote:ATX_Skins wrote:Red_One43 wrote:Countertrey wrote:Haslett noted the other day that he is protecting Orakpo in coverage, by keeping his responsibilities simple. You will see Kerrigan in coverage much more... he's been beaten a few times, but with each game his skill picks up. Pass rush... Orakpo is just beginning to demonstrate new rush moves. Kerrigan has already shown that he has effective use of at least 3 rush moves. I have not seen Orakpo use a bull rush effectively... I have watched Kerrigan walk his blocker back into the quarterback several times on a bull rush technique.
Keeping in mind that Linebacker has multiple responsibilities... Kerrigan will be the better 3-4 Linebacker. Orakpo MAY prove the better pure pass rusher... though I'm not so sure
The real issue is, does it make any difference? Orakpo is on the blind side, generally, where his quickness can be used to greatest advantage. Both will rack up impressive stats... both will be making major contributions to the performance of the Defense. Both will end up having terrific careers... if they stay healthy. They are our modern day Mann and Manley... except... (I think) they will be better.
+1
I expected so much more out of you Red_one! I wanted to see highlights, CAPS LETTERS and super quotes!

Seems there's no need when the quoted text is exceptionally well stated

+1 And exceptional it is

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:55 am
by HEROHAMO
Rak and Kerrigan are very close skill wise. They also have two different styles. Its tough to tell. I would like to see Kerrigan on the weak side and Rak on the strong side. In fact they should be switching it up from time to time I think.
Just from what I see. I am going to go with Kerrigan. I love them both. I just think Kerrigan has a slight edge in my book.
Now about Manley and Mann. I always thought Dexter was clearly a half notch better then Mann. Just put it this way. Manley had 97.5 sacks in 10 years. While Mann had 83 in 12 years. No disrespect to Mann who was a great one. Just saying Manley was unstoppable when he wanted to be.
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:40 am
by emoses14
HEROHAMO wrote:Rak and Kerrigan are very close skill wise. They also have two different styles. Its tough to tell. I would like to see Kerrigan on the weak side and Rak on the strong side. In fact they should be switching it up from time to time I think.
Just from what I see. I am going to go with Kerrigan. I love them both. I just think Kerrigan has a slight edge in my book.
Now about Manley and Mann. I always thought Dexter was clearly a half notch better then Mann. Just put it this way. Manley had 97.5 sacks in 10 years. While Mann had 83 in 12 years. No disrespect to Mann who was a great one. Just saying Manley was unstoppable when he wanted to be.
No idea why we've not yet seen this. My best guess is that it is a result of one or both of them not being entirely comfortable in the assignments that come with the switched position.
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:23 pm
by Countertrey
emoses14 wrote:HEROHAMO wrote:Rak and Kerrigan are very close skill wise. They also have two different styles. Its tough to tell. I would like to see Kerrigan on the weak side and Rak on the strong side. In fact they should be switching it up from time to time I think.
Just from what I see. I am going to go with Kerrigan. I love them both. I just think Kerrigan has a slight edge in my book.
Now about Manley and Mann. I always thought Dexter was clearly a half notch better then Mann. Just put it this way. Manley had 97.5 sacks in 10 years. While Mann had 83 in 12 years. No disrespect to Mann who was a great one. Just saying Manley was unstoppable when he wanted to be.
No idea why we've not yet seen this. My best guess is that it is a result of one or both of them not being entirely comfortable in the assignments that come with the switched position.
Haslett's scheme is complicated. Last year, there was no point. This year, the critical task was upgrading Orakpo's skills and bringing Kerrigan up to speed. Looking like both are about there. Then, the twists start getting added... maybe this week, to take advantage of the disaster that Philly's O-line has become.
Should be fun.
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:44 pm
by emoses14
Countertrey wrote:emoses14 wrote:HEROHAMO wrote:Rak and Kerrigan are very close skill wise. They also have two different styles. Its tough to tell. I would like to see Kerrigan on the weak side and Rak on the strong side. In fact they should be switching it up from time to time I think.
Just from what I see. I am going to go with Kerrigan. I love them both. I just think Kerrigan has a slight edge in my book.
Now about Manley and Mann. I always thought Dexter was clearly a half notch better then Mann. Just put it this way. Manley had 97.5 sacks in 10 years. While Mann had 83 in 12 years. No disrespect to Mann who was a great one. Just saying Manley was unstoppable when he wanted to be.
No idea why we've not yet seen this. My best guess is that it is a result of one or both of them not being entirely comfortable in the assignments that come with the switched position.
Haslett's scheme is complicated. Last year, there was no point. This year, the critical task was upgrading Orakpo's skills and bringing Kerrigan up to speed. Looking like both are about there. Then, the twists start getting added... maybe this week, to take advantage of the disaster that Philly's O-line has become.
Should be fun.
I really want Haslett to stay here. I agree that we are only now starting to see what his defense looks like. By the end of the year, I think they are going to be "going out there like bunch of crazed dogs" wreaking havoc all over the field. . . I can't wait.