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If Stephen Davis is getting consideration, does that make Clinton Portis a 1st ballot HOFer?

1niksder wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Loved Stephen Davis. Still cant forget that Michael Westbrook incident though.
Remember Davis was coming off a 1300 yard season and Spurriers first year he decides hey lets trade aways Davis! Still one of the dumbest moves ever!

Anyhow, yeah there are too many great Redskins not in the hall yet. No way should Davis go ahead of them. Too many to list. I actually think Dexter should be considered too along with the other greats.

There are at least 18 nominees on that list with Redskin ties:

RB:
Centers(99-00)
Davis(96-02)
Mitchell(90-99)
Riggs(89-91)

WR:
Clark(85-92)
Ellard(94-98)
Reed(2000)

TE:
Wycheck(93-94)

OL:
Jacoby(81-93)
Lachey(88-95)

DL:
Butz(75-88)
Manley(81-89)
Mann(83-93)

LB:
Harvey(94-99)

K:
Roby(93-94)

Coach:
Schottenheimer(01)

Contributors:
Beathard(78-89)
Cooke(61-97)

I agree with most of your list. However the Rbs you didnt even mention Byner. Davis is ahead of all those you listed in my opinion. Byner would be my guy even though he was a Brown for much of his career. He did win the big one with us though.

You mentioned Clark but how about Sanders? Dline totally agree with all. Beathard and Cooke should already be in. How are they not?

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:If Stephen Davis is getting consideration, does that make Clinton Portis a 1st ballot HOFer?

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaank you sir!

HEROHAMO wrote:

1niksder wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Loved Stephen Davis. Still cant forget that Michael Westbrook incident though.
Remember Davis was coming off a 1300 yard season and Spurriers first year he decides hey lets trade aways Davis! Still one of the dumbest moves ever!

Anyhow, yeah there are too many great Redskins not in the hall yet. No way should Davis go ahead of them. Too many to list. I actually think Dexter should be considered too along with the other greats.

There are at least 18 nominees on that list with Redskin ties:

RB:
Centers(99-00)
Davis(96-02)
Mitchell(90-99)
Riggs(89-91)

WR:
Clark(85-92)
Ellard(94-98)
Reed(2000)

TE:
Wycheck(93-94)

OL:
Jacoby(81-93)
Lachey(88-95)

DL:
Butz(75-88)
Manley(81-89)
Mann(83-93)

LB:
Harvey(94-99)

K:
Roby(93-94)

Coach:
Schottenheimer(01)

Contributors:
Beathard(78-89)
Cooke(61-97)

I agree with most of your list. However the Rbs you didnt even mention Byner. Davis is ahead of all those you listed in my opinion. Byner would be my guy even though he was a Brown for much of his career. He did win the big one with us though.

You mentioned Clark but how about Sanders? Dline totally agree with all. Beathard and Cooke should already be in. How are they not?

I only listed former Redskins that made the Class of 2012 Modern Era Preliminary Nominees list, Ricky wasn't on it.

NC43Hog wrote:And no LARRY BROWN!!

I was about to post the same thing. You said it all, NC!

The Hall has a blank spot as long as it's missing Larry Brown...and Jerry Smith, now that I think of it, and that CT reminded us.

welch wrote:

NC43Hog wrote:And no LARRY BROWN!!

I was about to post the same thing. You said it all, NC!

The Hall has a blank spot as long as it's missing Larry Brown...and Jerry Smith, now that I think of it, and that CT reminded us.

They'll have to be selected by the Senior Committee, so they wouldn't be on this list... I'm not sure when that one came out. They weren"t on it

If you compare who is on the list versus who hasn't already been voted in (Brown and Smith among others) and overall it's a sad list. Not to mention only 5 or 6 will get in from the of 71 players, 14 coaches and 18 contributors.

El Mexican wrote:As much as I loved big Stephen Davis when he played for us, I find it perplexing, to say the least, that he's a First-Year Hall of Fame Candidate for the class of 2012.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/70314 ... candidates

Loved his plough-style running, but HOF? Really?

Thoughts?

If joe jacoby, cris carter, jerry kramer(etc.) isnt in the hall now why the heck would stephen davis be 1st ballot? i just dont get the thinking.

1niksder wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

1niksder wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Loved Stephen Davis. Still cant forget that Michael Westbrook incident though.
Remember Davis was coming off a 1300 yard season and Spurriers first year he decides hey lets trade aways Davis! Still one of the dumbest moves ever!

Anyhow, yeah there are too many great Redskins not in the hall yet. No way should Davis go ahead of them. Too many to list. I actually think Dexter should be considered too along with the other greats.

There are at least 18 nominees on that list with Redskin ties:

RB:
Centers(99-00)
Davis(96-02)
Mitchell(90-99)
Riggs(89-91)

WR:
Clark(85-92)
Ellard(94-98)
Reed(2000)

TE:
Wycheck(93-94)

OL:
Jacoby(81-93)
Lachey(88-95)

DL:
Butz(75-88)
Manley(81-89)
Mann(83-93)

LB:
Harvey(94-99)

K:
Roby(93-94)

Coach:
Schottenheimer(01)

Contributors:
Beathard(78-89)
Cooke(61-97)

I agree with most of your list. However the Rbs you didnt even mention Byner. Davis is ahead of all those you listed in my opinion. Byner would be my guy even though he was a Brown for much of his career. He did win the big one with us though.

You mentioned Clark but how about Sanders? Dline totally agree with all. Beathard and Cooke should already be in. How are they not?

I only listed former Redskins that made the Class of 2012 Modern Era Preliminary Nominees list, Ricky wasn't on it.

Oops on my part.

Yeah you have to wonder how the voters think?

Start with:

Jacoby(81-93)
Lachey(88-95)

DL:
Butz(75-88)
Manley(81-89)
Mann(83-93)

You can argue that Dexter's drug problems block him. OK. But Jacoby, Lachey, Butz and Mann??

Should be automatic. Nobody stood their ground against Jacoby. Maybe they dodged him, but he moved anybody.

Lachey was even better: he was the only LT who could handle LT one-on-one. In fact, the Giants used to move Lawrence Taylor away from Lachey, or have Taylor rush beghind someone else. One-on-one, Lachey was too nimble for Taylor to get around, and too strong for Taylor to go through.

Butz? As one of the hostile MNF announcers once said, "No one makes Butz move someplace he doesn't want to go". See replay of SB 22, for the key defensive play that caused the Super Broncos to kick a FG on their second possession. On third down, the Broncos ran a QB draw, and Butz took out two blockers, grabbed Elway, and squashed him. I've never seen that done ever again.

Mann? The quiet opposite end to Dexter. See first play of NFC championship after which Redskins won SB 26. Mann blows past the Lions right tackle as if there wasn't a right tackle, nearly cuts Erik Kramer in half, fumble, Redskins recover, scored TD on next play. Game over after about one minute.

Joe Gibbs used to say that the OL and DL were his engine. He could switch QBs, but the team won as long as the engine overpowered everyone.

OK, one final comment:

Gibbs won three SBs with three different QBs and three different RBs, but only one center. Where is Jeff Bostic????

emoses14 wrote:Without looking up the numbers, because that would take effort, I just don't see how Stephen Davis is a hall of famer. I loved #48, and agree that Spurrier's decision (like every spurrier decision about anything ever) to let him go was piss poor, but that just makes him special to me, to us. (You know, that is the only thing I will never forgive snyder for. The rest is at least possible, but him for hiring that phallus.) Hall of Fame is another thing altogether.

I want Mann and Manley in together at the same time, because that is how I will always think of them. I forgot how much I missed that kind of D-line domination.

I agree with all of that. But Davis was really a cap casualty more than anything else. If he had taken the same money from the Skins that he got from Carolina, he would have finished his career here.

Deadskins wrote:

emoses14 wrote:Without looking up the numbers, because that would take effort, I just don't see how Stephen Davis is a hall of famer. I loved #48, and agree that Spurrier's decision (like every spurrier decision about anything ever) to let him go was piss poor, but that just makes him special to me, to us. (You know, that is the only thing I will never forgive snyder for. The rest is at least possible, but him for hiring that phallus.) Hall of Fame is another thing altogether.

I want Mann and Manley in together at the same time, because that is how I will always think of them. I forgot how much I missed that kind of D-line domination.

I agree with all of that. But Davis was really a cap casualty more than anything else. If he had taken the same money from the Skins that he got from Carolina, he would have finished his career here.

Hmm. My memory of the exact dollars offered by us and Carolina is non-existant, so I will take your word for that one. But I reserve the right to still blame the phallus in a visor for him leaving, deal?

emoses14 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

emoses14 wrote:Without looking up the numbers, because that would take effort, I just don't see how Stephen Davis is a hall of famer. I loved #48, and agree that Spurrier's decision (like every spurrier decision about anything ever) to let him go was piss poor, but that just makes him special to me, to us. (You know, that is the only thing I will never forgive snyder for. The rest is at least possible, but him for hiring that phallus.) Hall of Fame is another thing altogether.

I want Mann and Manley in together at the same time, because that is how I will always think of them. I forgot how much I missed that kind of D-line domination.

I agree with all of that. But Davis was really a cap casualty more than anything else. If he had taken the same money from the Skins that he got from Carolina, he would have finished his career here.

Hmm. My memory of the exact dollars offered by us and Carolina is non-existant, so I will take your word for that one. But I reserve the right to still blame the phallus in a visor for him leaving, deal?

Always.

welch wrote:Start with:

Jacoby(81-93)
Lachey(88-95)

DL:
Butz(75-88)
Manley(81-89)
Mann(83-93)

You can argue that Dexter's drug problems block him. OK. But Jacoby, Lachey, Butz and Mann??

Amen