Red_One43 wrote:I saw the highlights of his Pick 6 and it was not a classic bobble Carlos booble interception. He actually snagged it with out stretched hands
Maybe the people who said he just needed glasses were onto something. Even when he did get a rare INT here it would be a play like it bounced off his chest and happened to stay in front of him so he got a second shot. I can't ever remember him reaching up and cleanly grabbing a pick.
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Red_One43 wrote:Saaaay, what was that other CB that we had that was released that went to the 49ers and lead the league in interceptions the next year. His name escapes me. If I was a 49er GM, I would sign all cast off Redskin CBs. Most a be a chip on the shoulder thing. "I'll show them!"
Walt Harris.
Sean Taylor was one of a kind, may he rest in peace.
Carlos Rogers had before never produced three interceptions in a season.
But he's intercepted a pass in each of the 49ers' past three games, and he returned Sunday's theft 31 yards for a touchdown to spark a 48-3 home rout of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Such weekly efforts are shredding his bad-hands reputation, a label the cornerback got after totaling eight interceptions in six previous seasons with the Washington Redskins.
"They can keep saying that. I want people to say I don't have good hands," Rogers said. "It's good motivation. I play within the scheme and try to take advantage of opportunities."
Rogers has been staying late after Wednesday and Thursday practices to work on catching balls. Safety Dashon Goldson said of Rogers' interception Sunday: "He was doing a good job playing zone. He read the quarterback, read the route and was where he's supposed to be."
Rogers is the first 49ers defender to record an interception in three consecutive games since Takeo Spikes in 2008. The 49ers have forced 14 turnovers through four games. Two others came Sunday in rookie cornerback Chris Culliver's first interception and Goldson's first forced fumble this season.
Oh, staying after practice is all that it took. Amazing what one can do when they are motivated to get back at at their old team instead of just wanting to improve as a player.
Red_One43 wrote:Saaaay, what was that other CB that we had that was released that went to the 49ers and lead the league in interceptions the next year. His name escapes me. If I was a 49er GM, I would sign all cast off Redskin CBs. Most a be a chip on the shoulder thing. "I'll show them!"
Walt Harris.
Thanks Boss, it was on the tip of my fingers, but I just couldn't quite get his name.
Red_One43 wrote:I saw the highlights of his Pick 6 and it was not a classic bobble Carlos booble interception. He actually snagged it with out stretched hands
Maybe the people who said he just needed glasses were onto something. Even when he did get a rare INT here it would be a play like it bounced off his chest and happened to stay in front of him so he got a second shot. I can't ever remember him reaching up and cleanly grabbing a pick.
Me neither.
On ESPN 980 (DC local area), Thom Loverro and Kevin Sheehan were joking that it was a West Coast/East Coast thing - he can only catch on the West Coast. I was buying it until - - that right the Seattle play-off game drop in 2005 which happened where? - on the West Coast.
I did note in the article that I posted, that he says that they are playing zone. Maybe Carlos feels more at ease at playing zone. Even though he is a good cover guy, he relaxes more in zone and doesn't tense up when the ball comes his way.
NOBODY will convince me that Rogers would have been a good corner here - He was here and he was NOT a good corner
we are better off where we are because of the decisions that these guys have made - our secondary would be not as good with Rogers
good luck to him - he's just an OK corner having a great start - he would not have been doing that here
he had his chance and he blew it
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:NOBODY will convince me that Rogers would have been a good corner here - He was here and he was NOT a good corner
we are better off where we are because of the decisions that these guys have made - our secondary would be not as good with Rogers
good luck to him - he's just an OK corner having a great start - he would not have been doing that here
he had his chance and he blew it
Yes, it would be hard to make an argument that Carlos was a good corner since good corners don't drop several gimme intereceptions, but how about entertaining the possiblitity that Carlos was a good cover corner - one on one. Mixing the zone and man seemed to confuse him as he bit on the double move too many times, but when it was just zone - man on man - Carlos was damn good. Who can forget how he shut down T.O. in Dallas in Zorn's first year when several coners couldn't cantain him.
So, I have to agree with you, that Carlos wasn't a good corner here when it comes to doing everything the position called for.
SkinsJock wrote:NOBODY will convince me that Rogers would have been a good corner here - He was here and he was NOT a good corner
we are better off where we are because of the decisions that these guys have made - our secondary would be not as good with Rogers
good luck to him - he's just an OK corner having a great start - he would not have been doing that here
he had his chance and he blew it
Please, he was our best CB for many years, including last year. He just couldn't catch to save his life. I suggested many times over the years that he take extra practice catching balls. Too bad he waited until he left to get the hint.
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SkinsJock wrote:NOBODY will convince me that Rogers would have been a good corner here - He was here and he was NOT a good corner
we are better off where we are because of the decisions that these guys have made - our secondary would be not as good with Rogers
good luck to him - he's just an OK corner having a great start - he would not have been doing that here
he had his chance and he blew it
Please, he was our best CB for many years, including last year. He just couldn't catch to save his life. I suggested many times over the years that he take extra practice catching balls. Too bad he waited until he left to get the hint.
Agree. His cover and tackling skill were among the best. He couldn't catch, which meant no one was ever afraid to challenge him. If he gets his hands working, the 49er's will get a shut down corner. If not, he's still going to knock down a lot of passes.
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Rogers is not good enough to be here or the guys in charge would have kept him
our secondary would NOT be better off with Rogers or he would be here
like I said - good luck to him .... he's not a Redskin - I could care less what he does
He's also NOT as good as he thinks he is
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Rogers is not good enough to be here or the guys in charge would have kept him
our secondary would NOT be better off with Rogers or he would be here
like I said - good luck to him .... he's not a Redskin - I could care less what he does
He's also NOT as good as he thinks he is
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:Rogers is not good enough to be here or the guys in charge would have kept him
You can't say that. He was a FA, and wanted to test the waters. Maybe the guys in charge didn't think he was worth the asking price, but that doesn't mean they didn't think he was good enough to play here. Maybe Carlos wanted to leave and wouldn't consider offers from the Skins. Point is, you don't know that the guys in charge felt he didn't rate to play on this team. They sure had him on the field last year, above some of the guys that are still here.
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SkinsJock wrote:Rogers is not good enough to be here or the guys in charge would have kept him
You can't say that. He was a FA, and wanted to test the waters. Maybe the guys in charge didn't think he was worth the asking price, but that doesn't mean they didn't think he was good enough to play here. Maybe Carlos wanted to leave and wouldn't consider offers from the Skins. Point is, you don't know that the guys in charge felt he didn't rate to play on this team. They sure had him on the field last year, above some of the guys that are still here.
Actually I don't think you can say that either. It was pretty clear that the sides were very far apart. That doesn't mean we wanted him to leave to your point, but it also doesn't mean he wouldn't consider staying either. Why make an offer until they are at least in the same arena? Given that he signed a one year deal for $4 million, we were right.
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SkinsJock wrote:Rogers is not good enough to be here or the guys in charge would have kept him
You can't say that. He was a FA, and wanted to test the waters. Maybe the guys in charge didn't think he was worth the asking price, but that doesn't mean they didn't think he was good enough to play here. Maybe Carlos wanted to leave and wouldn't consider offers from the Skins. Point is, you don't know that the guys in charge felt he didn't rate to play on this team. They sure had him on the field last year, above some of the guys that are still here.
Actually I don't think you can say that either. It was pretty clear that the sides were very far apart. That doesn't mean we wanted him to leave to your point, but it also doesn't mean he wouldn't consider staying either. Why make an offer until they are at least in the same arena? Given that he signed a one year deal for $4 million, we were right.
Which is why I said the highlighted part.
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I am a little disapointed in Rogers, to say the least - I am glad that he decided to leave
He was not a bad CB, he just did not play to his potential here even though I think he tried to
I'm glad he's playing well for the niners
he's not a Redskin anymore and he is not here because he wanted to get paid more
we did not think he was worth what he wanted - simple
good luck to Rogers - we're going to be fine without him (and the way he played while he was here)
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:Rogers is not good enough to be here or the guys in charge would have kept him
our secondary would NOT be better off with Rogers or he would be here
like I said - good luck to him .... he's not a Redskin - I could care less what he does
He's also NOT as good as he thinks he is
Rogers is not here because he wanted too much. That simple. Because he provided no real threat to intercept, no one feared him... but, had he been reasonable in his demands, they'd have kept him in a second.
Of course, as you accurately note... he's NOT as good as he thinks he is... only because he hasn't proven that he can catch.
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SkinsJock wrote:I am a little disapointed in Rogers, to say the least - I am glad that he decided to leave
He was not a bad CB, he just did not play to his potential here even though I think he tried to
I'm glad he's playing well for the niners
he's not a Redskin anymore and he is not here because he wanted to get paid more we did not think he was worth what he wanted - simple
good luck to Rogers - we're going to be fine without him (and the way he played while he was here)
I think he's a self centered, classless jerk and I say screw him. He was a baby when he's here and his comments as a Niner continue to blame everyone, primarily us, for his problems. He accepts blame for nothing, including his six years which was beyond "stone hands" and was clear ineptitude.
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I have a favorite CRog quote and I think it was in the off season after he dropped a pick 6 in Seattle during the payoffs that would have changed that game. The quote basically said he would have been a Probowl corner if he caught half the picks he should have.
Well no sh..!
I bet he cost us at least 6 games were he flat out dropped easy pick 6s. I'm not counting all off the two or three dozen other picks he dropped that could have altered the outcome of games.
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skinsfan#33 wrote:I have a favorite CRog quote and I think it was in the off season after he dropped a pick 6 in Seattle during the payoffs that would have changed that game. The quote basically said he would have been a Probowl corner if he caught half the picks he should have.
Well no sh..!
I bet he cost us at least 6 games were he flat out dropped easy pick 6s. I'm not counting all off the two or three dozen other picks he dropped that could have altered the outcome of games.
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My "favorite" was one this year where he explained his issue with interceptions was "motivation" and blamed us for it. I did not like him because of his attitude, but when players leave I give them credit if they do it with class. He dropped that one too...
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Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Thanks Kaz - that basically sums up my feelings on this guy as well
there are a lot of talented players playing in the NFL but the guys that are really good give credit to everyone around them
Carlos Rogers has the talent, he's just not going to make a defense better because he's not a 'team first' player
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
The title of this thread is Carlos Improves His Hands - Well, it actually should be Carlos Improves His Eyes.
I heard Phil Daniels on 106.7 The FAN (DC Area) talking about Carlos Rogers wearing contacts. He said that the Niners made him go get an eye exam. He said the Redskins asked him to but he kept claiming that nothing was wrong with his eyes. Daniels said that the Redskins should have made him go like the Niners did.
A simple eye exam - who knew. How many millions of dollars did Carlos' refusal to get an eye exam cost him? How many wins did he cost us? I can think of one key game in Seattle - not that he cost us the game, but had he made that pick six .... A simple eye exam.
I'm on record as saying he was a very good corner. He covers well. He defends passes. He was and is better than any corner we have. He often disappointed/frustrated me with his drops.
The EYES have it.
Catching picks moves him from very good to excellent.
Wish he were still a 'Skin wearing contacts.
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Red_One43 wrote:The title of this thread is Carlos Improves His Hands - Well, it actually should be Carlos Improves His Eyes.
I heard Phil Daniels on 106.7 The FAN (DC Area) talking about Carlos Rogers wearing contacts. He said that the Niners made him go get an eye exam. He said the Redskins asked him to but he kept claiming that nothing was wrong with his eyes. Daniels said that the Redskins should have made him go like the Niners did.
A simple eye exam - who knew. How many millions of dollars did Carlos' refusal to get an eye exam cost him? How many wins did he cost us? I can think of one key game in Seattle - not that he cost us the game, but had he made that pick six .... A simple eye exam.
- that right the Seattle play-off game drop in 2005 which happened where? - on the West Coast.
