Red_One43 wrote:I thought the long range plan was Beck so even if Grossman is the better choice to start the season, you go with Beck for the long run and watch him get better with each game. I don't think that this necessarily giving up on Beck as the long term decision, Grossman out played him - not by much, but he did and he appears to be the best bet to win an opening game against a division opponent. I can't find fault in going with Grossman under the conditions. If you say it is an open competition and you want you players to believe in you, you have to go with the guy who "won" the competition.
IF Beck is the long-term answer then the fact that the difference between the two of them being marginal at best means you should start Beck, since he's the supposed "heir apparent". It's as much about the psychology of the decision as anything else. Beck keeps being told he's the one Shanny likes, then all of the sudden he's holding a clipboard week 1 against the Giants. That's gotta deflate your balloon a bit if you're John Beck.
Red_One43 wrote:What's he going to say? He could have easily said that Grossman or Beck was the starter from the get go and moved on. He said that he would put his reputation on both guys. That is saying more than both guys can manage the offense.
I know it will never happen and understand why, but a little bit of honesty and forthrightness from an NFL coach to the fanbase would be a very pleasant surprise every now and then.
Red_One43 wrote:I thought the long range plan was Beck so even if Grossman is the better choice to start the season, you go with Beck for the long run and watch him get better with each game. I don't think that this necessarily giving up on Beck as the long term decision, Grossman out played him - not by much, but he did and he appears to be the best bet to win an opening game against a division opponent. I can't find fault in going with Grossman under the conditions. If you say it is an open competition and you want you players to believe in you, you have to go with the guy who "won" the competition.
IF Beck is the long-term answer then the fact that the difference between the two of them being marginal at best means you should start Beck, since he's the supposed "heir apparent". It's as much about the psychology of the decision as anything else. Beck keeps being told he's the one Shanny likes, then all of the sudden he's holding a clipboard week 1 against the Giants. That's gotta deflate your balloon a bit if you're John Beck.
At least he Beck wasn't treated like Tebow, handed the reins and then ends up third string.
Beck played poorly against 2nd teamers with a first team line protecting him, even with the pass on not having his first team receivers, he made mistakes that showed that he is not ready to start an opening game against a division opponent WHEN (and I emphasize WHEN) you have a QB who was consistently made good decsions with the 1st team O in preseason and played well the previous year against the Giants ready to play. If Grossman wasn't on the team and you had to start Beck, I believe that Beck learns from his mistakes and could pull it off, but you have Grossman who deserved the start. Shanny never oncde said that Beck was the starter. He said it was open competition. Shanny needed to stick to the results and I believe that he did.
I heard that (and this is just a rumor ) that if he wasn't re-signed by the Redkskins, his agent had a gig lined up for him to replace the Pillsbury Dough Boy.
Red_One43 wrote:At least he Beck wasn't treated like Tebow, handed the reins and then ends up third string.
I would suggest that the situation in Denver was/is very different than what we're dealing with in DC.
Red_One43 wrote:Beck played poorly against 2nd teamers with a first team line protecting him, even with the pass on not having his first team receivers, he made mistakes that showed that he is not ready to start an opening game against a division opponent WHEN (and I emphasize WHEN) you have a QB who was consistently made good decsions with the 1st team O in preseason and played well the previous year against the Giants ready to play. If Grossman wasn't on the team and you had to start Beck, I believe that Beck learns from his mistakes and could pull it off, but you have Grossman who deserved the start. Shanny never once said that Beck was the starter. He said it was open competition. Shanny needed to stick to the results and I believe that he did.
Well, just chalk it up to me having less than no confidence in Rex Grossman and having marginally more in John Beck. As I said earlier, to me this says that the Shannahans do not believe Beck is the QB of the future for this team. We'll see how it works out, but my confidence level in our ability to beat the Giants dropped by about 50% when I saw this thread earlier this afternoon. Just my personal opinion.
jr_uscg wrote:I was worried. I think Rex out played John Beck and he deserves to be the starter. Best man won! John needs more time in the system.
Exactly... Rex played better, and deserves to start. This is consistent with the competition at other positions. Play better than the rest, and you're the starter- simple as that.
Red_One43 wrote:At least he Beck wasn't treated like Tebow, handed the reins and then ends up third string.
I would suggest that the situation in Denver was/is very different than what we're dealing with in DC.
Red_One43 wrote:Beck played poorly against 2nd teamers with a first team line protecting him, even with the pass on not having his first team receivers, he made mistakes that showed that he is not ready to start an opening game against a division opponent WHEN (and I emphasize WHEN) you have a QB who was consistently made good decsions with the 1st team O in preseason and played well the previous year against the Giants ready to play. If Grossman wasn't on the team and you had to start Beck, I believe that Beck learns from his mistakes and could pull it off, but you have Grossman who deserved the start. Shanny never once said that Beck was the starter. He said it was open competition. Shanny needed to stick to the results and I believe that he did.
Well, just chalk it up to me having less than no confidence in Rex Grossman and having marginally more in John Beck. As I said earlier, to me this says that the Shannahans do not believe Beck is the QB of the future for this team. We'll see how it works out, but my confidence level in our ability to beat the Giants dropped by about 50% when I saw this thread earlier this afternoon. Just my personal opinion.
Looking forward to seeing your posts around this time next Sunday, Sept. 11.
Red_One43 wrote:Looking forward to seeing your posts around this time next Sunday, Sept. 11.
We'll see. Obviously Sexi Rexy is NOT a long-term answer at QB, so if he does end up being the starter it just says to me that we'll be looking for a new QB at the end of the season AGAIN.
yupchagee wrote:I think Rex is Kyle's guy. Mike likes Beck. I guess Kyle won this battle.
If that is so, this is one of those occasions where Daddy needs to take "junior" out behind the woodshed with a belt and explain the facts of life to him.
I feel for Beck, I was really hoping he'd win out, but Grossman did seem to outplay him. To paraphrase John Wayne "I didn't vote for him, but he's the quarterback now and I hope he does a good job."
We all know Rexy takes a few too many chances with the football, but let's hope the ground game, the offensive line and the system all get him to the comfort zone he needs to perform well. He's got a quick release and he's got the physical tools he needs. If it's just mistakes he's making, let's not forget that Jake Plummer, Jay Cutler and Brian Griese were all Pro-Bowlers (and also that Plummer's comp% went WAY up in Denver.) The team took the loss in both games, but Grossman's two best starts last season were vs. the Giants and Cowboys. He'll be alright.
"Guess [Ryan Kerrigan] really does have a good motor. And is relentless. And never quits on a play. And just keeps coming. And probably eats Wheaties and drinks Apple Pie smoothies and shaves with Valvoline." -Dan Steinberg DC Sports Bog
So I assume that at the beginning of each game the Redskins' offense will march to the center of the field and, in the tradition of the Roman gladiators announce.... "We who are about to FAIL salute, you."
I just don't believe Grossman can get it done. Not unless this is a 2:1 ration Run:Pass offense. I definitely have no faith or confidence in his ability to LEAD this team or to make the necessary plays in crunch time. I hope he proves me wrong, but I wouldn't put any money on it, that's for sure.
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Red_One43 wrote:Looking forward to seeing your posts around this time next Sunday, Sept. 11.
We'll see. Obviously Sexi Rexy is NOT a long-term answer at QB, so if he does end up being the starter it just says to me that we'll be looking for a new QB at the end of the season AGAIN.
Oh, I think that we will be drafting a QB in the lower rounds of the draft regardless of how Grossman does or Beck or how does if Grossman gets injured.
Red_One43 wrote:Oh, I think that we will be drafting a QB in the lower rounds of the draft regardless of how Grossman does or Beck or how does if Grossman gets injured.
The LOWER ROUNDS? Red_One, I don't want to see a QB picked after #10 in the first round, nevermind that far down. What this team needs is a definitive #1 Caliber QB, and you're not going to find that in "the lower rounds" (no, I do not classify Tom Brady as a #1 Caliber QB - that's a discussion for another time and place).
CanesSkins26 wrote:Beat you to it by a minute haha
Well done Canes - but ...
many posters here already thought that Grossman was going to be starting - let's face it - this was the ONLY logical choice
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Red_One43 wrote:Oh, I think that we will be drafting a QB in the lower rounds of the draft regardless of how Grossman does or Beck or how does if Grossman gets injured.
The LOWER ROUNDS? Red_One, I don't want to see a QB picked after #10 in the first round, nevermind that far down. What this team needs is a definitive #1 Caliber QB, and you're not going to find that in "the lower rounds" (no, I do not classify Tom Brady as a #1 Caliber QB - that's a discussion for another time and place).
Who knows the mind of Shanny? Right or wrong, he will go after the guy that he thinks is the right fit and that is not necessarily the guy that the media thinks that he should take.
) that if he wasn't re-signed by the Redkskins, his agent had a gig lined up for him to replace the Pillsbury Dough Boy.
