skins nfc east champions ....... maybe

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:02 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:Sure. whatever dude. It's sad that you honestly believe being 2-3 does anything to help the future of this franchise.

What's sad about that? Going 2-3 through the hardest stretch of the schedule is not necessarily a bad thing.

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:06 pm

Woah what Irn-Bru I think you should review our schedule once again. Our hardest stretch comes from Week 11-17. We play vs Dallas, at Seattle, vs NYJ, vs NE, at NYG, vs Minnesota then at Philly. That is by far the hardest part of our schedule.

HarleyHog · Post by **HarleyHog** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:17 pm

So if we win 3 of the first 5 will you shut the h*ll up with the suck for luck crap?

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:19 pm

If we start out 3-2 (Which wont happen) We will have eliminated ourselves from landing the first pick. I will be pissed. All of guys will later realize how much winning those games hurt us for the future once Andrew Luck becomes amazing.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:21 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:If we start out 3-2 (Which wont happen) … I will be pissed.

Ladies and gentlemen, mark this quote down. It will come in handy in the not-too-distant future. Red_One43, you there?

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:25 pm

Mark it down.. What happens when I am right Irn-Bru? Will you eat crow for me?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:26 pm

If we go 0-6, I'll eat crow. I think this team is better than that.

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:30 pm

Ok good. Assuming we land Luck and he becomes a beast. I cant wait for all of you guys who have vehemently attacked me to apologize to me and admit that winning 2 games and landing Andrew Luck was the best thing for future success for our beloved Redskins.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:34 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:Ok good. Assuming we land Luck and he becomes a beast. I cant wait for all of you guys who have vehemently attacked me to apologize to me and admit that winning 2 games and landing Andrew Luck was the best thing for future success for our beloved Redskins.

That I'll never agree to. It might happen that landing a high draft pick turned things around for us, but equating the goodness of that with the means of getting there is a mistake.

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:42 pm

yeah lets roll with John Beck and Rex Grossman for 2012 too.. (Insert Sarcasm here)

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:45 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:yeah lets roll with John Beck and Rex Grossman for 2012 too.. (Insert Sarcasm here)

It's really not clear who or what you're arguing against at this point . . .

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:49 pm

Irn-Bru if we screw ourselves out of Andrew Luck that means we either stay with Beck or Grossman or we draft Jones or Barkley. None of those options are as good as getting Luck. If we win 8 games like you seem think is possible if that somehow happened MS might be convinced to stay with Beck for another season. We would just remain in mediocrity and further delaying getting a future franchise QB.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:51 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:Irn-Bru if we screw ourselves out of Andrew Luck

You just aren't going to see the other side of the argument. It's a fool's errand to chase after Luck like we'll even have a chance at him. And besides that, it's not at all certain that he'll be the player you say he will be.

If we win 8 games like you seem think is possible if that somehow happened MS might be convinced to stay with Beck for another season. We would just remain in mediocrity and further delaying getting a future franchise QB.

You just can't possibly predict the future like that. You have no idea how things will work out if we go 8-8.

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:51 pm

Winning 3 games or more this year and missing out on Andrew Luck will do way more damage then good. I am unable to comprehend why others posters do not understand or see this?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:54 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:Winning 3 games or more this year and missing out on Andrew Luck will do way more damage then good. I am unable to comprehend why others posters do not understand or see this?

Because we disagree both that (a) we have a realistic shot at drafting him (even if we go 3-13, which is pretty much worst-case stuff, we won't have the number 1 pick) and (b) that anyone can have reasonable confidence saying what's "best" for the Skins 2+ years down the road and using that God's-eye perspective to prescribe how many wins are "best."

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:56 pm

Look at it this way: let's assume we are bad enough to draft Luck. I can think of a dozen reason why we might be worse off for it. He could be a bust, for example. Or not just a bust, but only mediocre. Shanahan might get fired after this season, and the coach that replaces him could be way worse. If the team went 2-14, the "losing culture" in Washington that would creep in would outweight whatever good Luck might contribute once he got here. (Plenty of talented quarterbacks have been wasted on poor teams.)

I could go on and on, but the point should be clear: you've got no grounds for claiming so much certainty. The fact that you can't even comprehend how someone might think differently demonstrates how far gone your argument is.

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:58 pm

Irn-Bru I said we will need to go 2-14 to have a shot at Luck. I realize winning 3 games will not get us the number pick. Having a great franchise QB is what is best for this franchise and Andrew Luck is going to be that. I will eat crow if he isn't.

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:00 pm

In other news Shayne Graham a career 85% FG kicker just made a 38 yd FG for the Cowpukes. Here is another prediction Shayne Graham is going to be Cowpukes kicker this year and he will beast it. He will have a much better season then Graham Gano. That makes me smile, this will only help our chances at getting Andrew Luck.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:07 pm

Does it actually surprise you when people assume you must be a Cowboys fan? :lol:

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:09 pm

F The Cowpukes. Are you going to try to tell me the Redskins have a successful track record with kickers? I seem to recall that we once had David Akers but ofcourse he ends up being a beast on the eagles for over 10 years and since we got rid of Akers we have gone through atleast 15 kickers.

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:11 pm

Andrew Luck isn't going to bust or be mediocre. Sorry that is not happening. He is going to be amazing!

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:13 pm

We all understand your position. Most of us think you are wrong. Who will be the best QB prospects the 1st 2 or 3 years after Luck? How about we get real good everywhere else and let the QB chips fall where they may?

I think you are reversing cause and effect. Winning 1 or 2 games is a reflection of sucking rather than a harbinger of future success. Winning 3 or 4 games is also. Winning 5 or 6 games could mean almost anything. Winning 7 or 8 games is a reflection of improvement not a harbinger of future mediocrity. Winning 9, 10, or 11 games is a reflection of wisdom and good fortune and a harbinger of future success, not a step back. Winning more than 11 games would have us all wearing lamp shades - even you and your crow-filled mouth.

-drinking

DarthMonk

As for your post below ...

:puke:

RedskinsRule56 wrote:Winning 3 games or more this year and missing out on Andrew Luck will do way more damage then good. I am unable to comprehend why others posters do not understand or see this?

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:15 pm

Darth Monk we are going to be a terrible team this year, the only question is how terrible..

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:15 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:Andrew Luck isn't going to bust or be mediocre. Sorry that is not happening. He is going to be amazing!

I've heard that one before, too many times.

He might also get injured this year, too, by the way. There are just so many reasons not to worry about what 5 years down the road will bring and focus on putting together a winning strategy NOW. I would say "thank God we have a coach with that mindset" but the reality is that all coaches in the NFL do.

Well, maybe not all have a winning strategy. Zorn was kind of like a chicken with its head cut off, but that was probably attributable to Snyder and Cerrato.

Embrace the Shanaplan, RR56. You will be much less miserable and much less wrong.

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:16 pm

RedskinsRule56 wrote:Darth Monk we are going to be a terrible team this year, the only question is how terrible..

Could be. Do you think Shannahan PLANS to TRY to be terrible?

Darthmonk