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frankcal20 wrote:What did Joe Gibbs do post '91...Just sayin. Don't knock a guy who's won it all. And won it all several times.

Got the Skins to the playoffs 3 out of the 4 times they have made in the past 19 since 91. That is 3 out of the 5 seasons he coached since the last SB, or 60%. The rest of the coaches made it once out of 14 seasons, or 7% of the time.

Coach Joe didn't do too bad!

tribeofjudah wrote:Is that good? How did he play last year???

I think it is a very good move based on his play late in the year. I also hope we resign Heyer. That would be a big boost to our OT depth.

RedskinsRule56 wrote:The Resume Shanahan has? What exactly has Shanahan done post Elway? How about NOTHING...

You mean other than making the playoffs for times in 11 seasons. 6 winning seasons, 2 even, 3 losing seasons.

Not bad with a bunch of nobodies at QB. Besides what did Bill parcels do w/o Simms, what did Landry do w/o Stallback(sp?), or Noll w/o Bradshaw.

He is a great coach, he just needs time.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

RedskinsRule56 wrote:The Resume Shanahan has? What exactly has Shanahan done post Elway? How about NOTHING...

You mean other than making the playoffs for times in 11 seasons. 6 winning seasons, 2 even, 3 losing seasons.

Not bad with a bunch of nobodies at QB. Besides what did Bill parcels do w/o Simms, what did Landry do w/o Stallback(sp?), or Noll w/o Bradshaw.

He is a great coach, he just needs time.

RedskinsRule56 must not watch football

Mike Shanahan has 1 playoff win post Elway, the noodles at QB were all his selections.. LOL.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

RedskinsRule56 wrote:The Resume Shanahan has? What exactly has Shanahan done post Elway? How about NOTHING...

What do you expect him to say? People need to stop taking players' comments so seriously. Most of the time they are just repeating what their agents and the team pr staff tell them to say. Brown probably likes the town, his teammates, and the staff, and probably got a good deal from the Skins. It's not complicated.

Dead on CS26. Dead on.

1niksider wrote:Did Chicago make the playoff last year?

I know you acknowledged this already, but...how could you forget Cutlergate! It was glorious!

PulpExposure wrote:
I know you acknowledged this already, but...how could you forget Cutlergate! It was glorious!

RedskinsRule56 wrote:There is a guarantee that the Redskins wont make the playoffs this year.

Not by anyone who matters

frankcal20 wrote:What did Joe Gibbs do post '91...Just sayin. Don't knock a guy who's won it all. And won it all several times.

+1

RedskinsRule56 wrote:There is a guarantee that the Redskins wont make the playoffs this year.

Really? When did that happen? I know the odds aren't good, but to say it is guaranteed is a bit brazen. To say it is likely they won't make it is reasonable, but to guarantee it is absurd.

I will go even further and say that we will 2-14 this year. In 2-3 years everyone will be thankful we went 2-14 in 2011 because Andrew Luck will be our franchise QB and the savior.

RedskinsRule56 wrote:The Resume Shanahan has? What exactly has Shanahan done post Elway? How about NOTHING...

Ahh...The Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc argument that always comes up. The problem is the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Mike Shanahan (0-4 before Mike and 2-0 with Mike). Mike Shanahan never won a Super Bowl as a head coach without John Mobley. It was linebacker John Mobley who batted the ball down with seconds remaining to give the Broncos their first Super Bowl win over the Packers. The Packers would surely have scored and won the game because three of Denver's defensive starters got knocked out of the game the previous play.

I can also equally say John Elway and the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Terrel Davis. Just pick a name and it would be true because the argument relies upon a false premise. Taken to its illogical extreme , the Denver Broncos can never again win a Super Bowl unless Mike Shanhan is the coach even if they had the best NFL player at every position.

SprintRightOption wrote:

RedskinsRule56 wrote:The Resume Shanahan has? What exactly has Shanahan done post Elway? How about NOTHING...

Ahh...The Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc argument that always comes up. The problem is the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Mike Shanahan (0-4 before Mike and 2-0 with Mike). Mike Shanahan never won a Super Bowl as a head coach without John Mobley. It was linebacker John Mobley who batted the ball down with seconds remaining to give the Broncos their first Super Bowl win over the Packers. The Packers would surely have scored and won the game because three of Denver's defensive starters got knocked out of the game the previous play.

I can also equally say John Elway and the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Terrel Davis. Just pick a name and it would be true because the argument relies upon a false premise. Taken to its illogical extreme , the Denver Broncos can never again win a Super Bowl unless Mike Shanhan is the coach even if they had the best NFL player at every position.

SprintRightOption wrote:

RedskinsRule56 wrote:The Resume Shanahan has? What exactly has Shanahan done post Elway? How about NOTHING...

Ahh...The Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc argument that always comes up. The problem is the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Mike Shanahan (0-4 before Mike and 2-0 with Mike). Mike Shanahan never won a Super Bowl as a head coach without John Mobley. It was linebacker John Mobley who batted the ball down with seconds remaining to give the Broncos their first Super Bowl win over the Packers. The Packers would surely have scored and won the game because three of Denver's defensive starters got knocked out of the game the previous play.

I can also equally say John Elway and the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Terrel Davis. Just pick a name and it would be true because the argument relies upon a false premise. Taken to its illogical extreme , the Denver Broncos can never again win a Super Bowl unless Mike Shanhan is the coach even if they had the best NFL player at every position.

Great post. Love it.

SprintRightOption wrote:

RedskinsRule56 wrote:The Resume Shanahan has? What exactly has Shanahan done post Elway? How about NOTHING...

Ahh...The Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc argument that always comes up. The problem is the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Mike Shanahan (0-4 before Mike and 2-0 with Mike). Mike Shanahan never won a Super Bowl as a head coach without John Mobley. It was linebacker John Mobley who batted the ball down with seconds remaining to give the Broncos their first Super Bowl win over the Packers. The Packers would surely have scored and won the game because three of Denver's defensive starters got knocked out of the game the previous play.

I can also equally say John Elway and the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Terrel Davis. Just pick a name and it would be true because the argument relies upon a false premise. Taken to its illogical extreme , the Denver Broncos can never again win a Super Bowl unless Mike Shanhan is the coach even if they had the best NFL player at every position.

So much for that argument

SprintRightOption wrote:

RedskinsRule56 wrote:The Resume Shanahan has? What exactly has Shanahan done post Elway? How about NOTHING...

Ahh...The Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc argument that always comes up. The problem is the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Mike Shanahan (0-4 before Mike and 2-0 with Mike). Mike Shanahan never won a Super Bowl as a head coach without John Mobley. It was linebacker John Mobley who batted the ball down with seconds remaining to give the Broncos their first Super Bowl win over the Packers. The Packers would surely have scored and won the game because three of Denver's defensive starters got knocked out of the game the previous play.

I can also equally say John Elway and the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Terrel Davis. Just pick a name and it would be true because the argument relies upon a false premise. Taken to its illogical extreme , the Denver Broncos can never again win a Super Bowl unless Mike Shanhan is the coach even if they had the best NFL player at every position.

Great post. Love it.

Current entries in the resume seem to be positives. We have gotten younger and seemingly better. We have avoided flashy signing this go round. We drafted well.

As far as guaranteed failure, Baltimore was able to take the whole ball of wax with just defense, and we just might surprise some folks on that side of the ball this year

1niksder wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:Is that good? How did he play last year???

Got better as the year went on... was coming back from a year long injury.

He held his own against Ware in the 2nd Dallas game. I remember hearing the trainer saying that after his surgery there would be a lot of scar tissue and that once that scar tissue broke up, he would be able to play like his old self again.

HarleyHog wrote:Current entries in the resume seem to be positives. We have gotten younger and seemingly better. We have avoided flashy signing this go round. We drafted well.

As far as guaranteed failure, Baltimore was able to take the whole ball of wax with just defense, and we just might surprise some folks on that side of the ball this year

+ Jamal Lewis and Jonathan Ogden

fleetus wrote:

HarleyHog wrote:Current entries in the resume seem to be positives. We have gotten younger and seemingly better. We have avoided flashy signing this go round. We drafted well.

As far as guaranteed failure, Baltimore was able to take the whole ball of wax with just defense, and we just might surprise some folks on that side of the ball this year

+ Jamal Lewis and Jonathan Ogden

And special teams. They went FIVE CONSECUTIVE games without scoring an offensive TD that year

SprintRightOption wrote:

RedskinsRule56 wrote:The Resume Shanahan has? What exactly has Shanahan done post Elway? How about NOTHING...

Ahh...The Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc argument that always comes up. The problem is the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Mike Shanahan (0-4 before Mike and 2-0 with Mike). Mike Shanahan never won a Super Bowl as a head coach without John Mobley. It was linebacker John Mobley who batted the ball down with seconds remaining to give the Broncos their first Super Bowl win over the Packers. The Packers would surely have scored and won the game because three of Denver's defensive starters got knocked out of the game the previous play.

I can also equally say John Elway and the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Terrel Davis. Just pick a name and it would be true because the argument relies upon a false premise. Taken to its illogical extreme , the Denver Broncos can never again win a Super Bowl unless Mike Shanhan is the coach even if they had the best NFL player at every position.

Money

FYI, I'm told Jammal Brown's five-year deal is for $27.5 million. I'm still working on the amount guaranteed

Remember when it seemed like every lineman was making like $7-$10m per year?

SprintRightOption wrote:

RedskinsRule56 wrote:The Resume Shanahan has? What exactly has Shanahan done post Elway? How about NOTHING...

Ahh...The Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc argument that always comes up. The problem is the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Mike Shanahan (0-4 before Mike and 2-0 with Mike). Mike Shanahan never won a Super Bowl as a head coach without John Mobley. It was linebacker John Mobley who batted the ball down with seconds remaining to give the Broncos their first Super Bowl win over the Packers. The Packers would surely have scored and won the game because three of Denver's defensive starters got knocked out of the game the previous play.

I can also equally say John Elway and the Denver Broncos never won a Super Bowl without Terrel Davis. Just pick a name and it would be true because the argument relies upon a false premise. Taken to its illogical extreme , the Denver Broncos can never again win a Super Bowl unless Mike Shanhan is the coach even if they had the best NFL player at every position.

First, wow Not much left to respond to that, huh? . Well, I guess this is one equally logical response you could have gone with.

Nuh uh, Mike Shannan is the skins coach and team president who hasn't won in a decade, so the fact that any player resigned under his regime who could have gone elsewhere, means they only came back because of dan snyder's money. Chicago and Arizona are organizations that have proven over the years to be sound football organizations. Clearly their smart FOs knew that Brown was asking too much!

RedskinsRule56 wrote:The Resume Shanahan has? What exactly has Shanahan done post Elway? How about NOTHING...

I beg to differ with your opinion, are you judging him on win loss record?
Super bowl appearances? exactly what are you making this assessment on?

I picked this up somewhere on Saturday;

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Meet your new defensive line








In one year, I believe Shanahan and Allen have transformed the defensive line from and old veteran 4-3 line to a young 3-4 line with depth and lots of upside. They accomplished all this despite inheriting the Haynesworth headache.

1.Barry Cofield - NT - signed 2011. Cofield has been the NT for the NYG since his rookie year. Despite playing a 4-3, the Giants used Cofield as a NT to free up pass rushers like Strahan, Tuck and Umenyiroa.

here' what Shanhan had to say about Cofield:




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“I thought he was the bell cow of their defensive line. He was a guy that was in the game the majority of the time, and you could tell he was a team leader. He played harder than any player on the team. You could tell that he took so much pride in everything he did. Very similar to Bowen. I said if we could get them, I think we could really help our football team. You get two guys who are 27 years old, two guys who are natural leaders, and that is how you build your football team. You build it up front on the offensive and defensive lines. We have a couple guys that I believe are future team captains and can lead.”



Stephen Bowen - DE - signed 2011 - Bowen has been part of the Dl rotation in Dallas for several years. An undrafted free agent, he has had to outwork and outplay other lineman to stay on the roster. Yet, each year he's had more playing time. Many analysts said Bowen was one of the more under-valued free agents available this year.

Here' what Shanahan had to say about Bowen:




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“Playing Dallas, we got a look at him and saw him as being a very dominatant defensive tackle/defensive end. He has a lot of talent, lot of quickness, speed. He’s a young guy and has a lot of character. I thought he played as hard as any player on their football team and he was a guy we had targeted, and a guy we’re pleased about."



Adam Carriker - Skins swapped 5th and 7th round picks with the Rams for Carriker in 2010. In STL they tried to play Carriker as a "3 technique" DT who would play one gap and try to use quickness to disrupt the backfield. It didn't suit him. He preferred to use power and leverage instead. Haslett knew this from his time coaching in STL and the Redskins stole the former 1st round pick from the Rams. Despite not having a steady NT to play next to, Carriker was one of the bright spots on the line last season.

If the above three players are the starters this season, they all are 27 years old and within 3 months of each other.

The competition:

Jarvis Jenkins - DE/DT - 2nd round draft pick 2011 - Jarvis played on a Clemson team that featured Da'quan Bowers. While Da'quan made highlights, Jarvis played lots of two-gap responsibility. Sound familiar? the Redskins liked his strength, experience and unselfish attitude.

Kedrick Golston - DE/DT - 6th round pick 2006 - Kedrick has been through numerous coaching staff and scheme changes. Despite this he has contributed on defense and special teams every year without complaint. He has also been very durable and is known as a team player who works hard, is "high energy" and has an unselfish attitude.

Chris Neild - 7th round pick 2011 - Neild was a three year starter and anchored a WVU defense that ranked 3rd in the nation in total defense and 2nd in the nation against the run.

Vonnie Holiday - DE - signed 2010, 2011. Vonnie is the teams player rep and is a veteran leader. Depsite his age (35) he is very effective off the bench and can get after the QB playing "5 technique" DE.

Anthony Bryant - NT - signed 2010, was arguably the most effective NT last season. Will have tougher competition this year, but he has great size (360#+) and strength.

I think the FO has managed to find a collection of unselfish, hard working linemen without breaking the bank and still managing to get younger and deeper at the position. Good job to Shanahan and Allen. I think the competition for the three starting spots will be fierce!

Comments?

Considering where this team has been for 20 years I think Shanahan
has performed in a better manner than I've seen since the late seventies.
We now have feared Osakapo and Kerrigan and we haven't had two nightmares like that (TBD) since Dexter Manley and Charles Mann.

emoses14 wrote:Chicago and Arizona are organizations that have proven over the years to be sound football organizations. Clearly their smart FOs knew that Brown was asking too much!