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cleg wrote:It is a little embarrasing, don't you think? Maybe it is because I live in Philly but I have no come back to people in regards to the QB situation.

Iggles may make it to the SB with Young backing up Vick. An injury to the QB won't slow them down. In regard to Young, we were sleeping at the wheel. You'll see.

spudstr04 wrote:

Hogs Haven: Report: Redskins Have Signed Interceptasaurus Rex (Grossman)

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Love the nickname

LMAO... Interceptasaurus Rex.. FLIPPIN CLASSIC!!!!

cleg wrote:It is a little embarrasing, don't you think? Maybe it is because I live in Philly but I have no come back to people in regards to the QB situation.

Wait until Vick goes down and with his style of play he will.

I'm amazed that Young was able to command that kind of money.

Honestly, I think either one of them could be "game managers" but I'm not looking forward to Beck vs. Grossman (Bexy vs. Rexy). IMO this is going to be the worst QB competition in DC since Danny Wuerffel and Shane Matthews. I understand that we are rebuilding, but I'd love it if we actually had a legit starting NFL QB.

With pre-season about 10 days away there's no chance of that. We'll have to go into the season with one of the two but I would bet $100 that neither one will start all 16 games.

Per a source with knowledge of the contract, Grossman’s deal pays him only $1.15 million this season.

The one-year deal has a guaranteed base salary of $810,000, a roster bonus of $240,000, and a signing bonus of $100,000.

PFT

You've really got to respect Shanahan's patience here

He's got to be aware of the pressure to do well offensively this year and he did not succumb - well not yet

We will be fine defensively IMO but offensively Shanahan is letting the QB position stay in the hands of an unproven Beck and an iffy Grossman

You've got to hand it to this guy - I'll bet that we win at least 6 games and maybe 8 with these guys

I have a very good feeling about our future with this FO - they did not make a deal for a QB because they have faith in the rest of the guys and we'll be getting a QB next year

a little more patience people - these guys can get this franchise back in shape ... and soon

lol @ rotoworld:

"[Grossman] remains a turnover or game-costing error waiting to happen and lacks on-field confidence."

You know, I kid about this stuff, but I feel good about the season. Honestly, I like that we are committed to re-building, I like that an older coach like Shanahan is showing patience and I think we're on the right track. I feel no pressure at all for the Redskins and I fully expect to win 6 or 7 games. It'll be fun to watch the games to try and sort the wheat from the chaff, and to see who will be the silver lining in the cloud.

SkinsJock wrote:You've really got to respect Shanahan's patience here

It couldn't have been THAT hard to not sign Grossman for starting money. I found it quite amusing. I'm glad we got him back, at this price. But please, if someone's signing him to Young money then I wish him well and goodbye. But no one was that silly.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:You've really got to respect Shanahan's patience here

It couldn't have been THAT hard to not sign Grossman for starting money. I found it quite amusing. I'm glad we got him back, at this price. But please, if someone's signing him to Young money then I wish him well and goodbye. But no one was that silly.

I'm not really looking at the Grossman signing per se - I agree that was a no brainer - let's face it he's just insurance

I'm looking at the fact that we did not "reach" for a QB in the draft and we did not overspend on a FA as we might have in the past

there just were not many options for us at a position of real need

these guys have taken a very risky path here but they've also not made the same old mistake we've always made and overpaid for a guy or taken a "chance"

these 2 QBs are fine .... for now

What a title huh? "BATTLE"

Though I've never seen this guy Beck, I totally believe that we're doomed @ the QB position. Oh wait, we have a savior, Clemons!

Skinsfan55 wrote:lol @ rotoworld:

"[Grossman] remains a turnover or game-costing error waiting to happen and lacks on-field confidence."

You know, I kid about this stuff, but I feel good about the season. Honestly, I like that we are committed to re-building, I like that an older coach like Shanahan is showing patience and I think we're on the right track. I feel no pressure at all for the Redskins and I fully expect to win 6 or 7 games. It'll be fun to watch the games to try and sort the wheat from the chaff, and to see who will be the silver lining in the cloud.

This is precisely the feeling that i have about this season. This rebuilding is not just about the team, but a philosophy and the organization. If they weren't being judicious in the wallet and on the field, I'd be worried. The both of them (and Mr. Snyder, too btw) have actually done a better job from both a long term and short term perspective. And for the malcontents, yes, I am aware that they've stayed away from signing superstars and i like that. Sign a good young guy and make him a superstar with us as we grow? SOunds like a better plan than continually mortgaging the future for the instant gratification. Its called foresight and it requires will power and vision. Not everyone's got it.

langleyparkjoe wrote:What a title huh? "BATTLE"

Though I've never seen this guy Beck, I totally believe that we're doomed @ the QB position. Oh wait, we have a savior, Clemons!

Yes, I'm just hoping we have a quarterback this year who strives for and achieves mediocrity...

SkinsJock wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:You've really got to respect Shanahan's patience here

It couldn't have been THAT hard to not sign Grossman for starting money. I found it quite amusing. I'm glad we got him back, at this price. But please, if someone's signing him to Young money then I wish him well and goodbye. But no one was that silly.

I'm not really looking at the Grossman signing per se - I agree that was a no brainer - let's face it he's just insurance

I'm looking at the fact that we did not "reach" for a QB in the draft and we did not overspend on a FA as we might have in the past

there just were not many options for us at a position of real need

these guys have taken a very risky path here but they've also not made the same old mistake we've always made and overpaid for a guy or taken a "chance"

these 2 QBs are fine .... for now

I agree Jock. This is a better choice then making a bad signing and then having to eat a bunch of cap

SkinsJock wrote:You've really got to respect Shanahan's patience here

And not just respect it, but love it. I think this offseason has been unbelievable for us, at least by the standards set for this team by Snyder, Vinny, and the last ten years of madness.

I can't think of a move they've made that didn't strike me as (a) quality or (b) downright clever. We've released some players that needed to be gone, and we got value from a few guys we had no business getting value from.

I have been a little frustrated by some of the moves they haven't made. QB and OL are the obvious question marks. But it's a better starting OL this year than last year. And even if our QB situation doesn't improve this year, I don't think it can get too much worse than it was last year. And we've seen worse as recently as six or seven years ago.

I'm up for seeing why Shanahan thinks so highly of Beck. I'm looking forward to watching this defense, which has truly turned a corner, personnel wise.

Like you say, SJ, Mike is going to be under a lot of pressure while he continues to set the foundation. DC is not a friendly town for a long-term, level-headed reconstruction project. Even Joe Gibbs faced the same scrutiny his second time around.

emoses14 wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:lol @ rotoworld:

"[Grossman] remains a turnover or game-costing error waiting to happen and lacks on-field confidence."

You know, I kid about this stuff, but I feel good about the season. Honestly, I like that we are committed to re-building, I like that an older coach like Shanahan is showing patience and I think we're on the right track. I feel no pressure at all for the Redskins and I fully expect to win 6 or 7 games. It'll be fun to watch the games to try and sort the wheat from the chaff, and to see who will be the silver lining in the cloud.

This is precisely the feeling that i have about this season. This rebuilding is not just about the team, but a philosophy and the organization. If they weren't being judicious in the wallet and on the field, I'd be worried. The both of them (and Mr. Snyder, too btw) have actually done a better job from both a long term and short term perspective. And for the malcontents, yes, I am aware that they've stayed away from signing superstars and i like that. Sign a good young guy and make him a superstar with us as we grow? SOunds like a better plan than continually mortgaging the future for the instant gratification. Its called foresight and it requires will power and vision. Not everyone's got it.

agree

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm up for seeing why Shanahan thinks so highly of Beck. I'm looking forward to watching this defense, which has truly turned a corner, personnel wise

Great summary. Some of us like you Irn-Bru realize that building a winning team is a process. It's not like building a race car where you just design the parts and snap them together.

On Beck, he doesn't even have to be great. If he's even a solid quarterback then with all the other things Shannahan did you listed, he's had a genius year. It was a solid year even if Beck ends up sucking. We need a QB of the future, but I don't see any realistic chances to get one we passed on.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm up for seeing why Shanahan thinks so highly of Beck. I'm looking forward to watching this defense, which has truly turned a corner, personnel wise

Great summary. Some of us like you Irn-Bru realize that building a winning team is a process. It's not like building a race car where you just design the parts and snap them together.

On Beck, he doesn't even have to be great. If he's even a solid quarterback then with all the other things Shannahan did you listed, he's had a genius year. It was a solid year even if Beck ends up sucking. We need a QB of the future, but I don't see any realistic chances to get one we passed on.

Shanahan was able to get the most out of Jake Plummer so he may be able to work miracles with Beck this year at the helm.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm up for seeing why Shanahan thinks so highly of Beck. I'm looking forward to watching this defense, which has truly turned a corner, personnel wise

Great summary. Some of us like you Irn-Bru realize that building a winning team is a process. It's not like building a race car where you just design the parts and snap them together.

+1

Irn-Bru wrote: ... I think this offseason has been unbelievable for us, at least by the standards set for this team by Snyder, Vinny, and the last ten years of madness.

I can't think of a move they've made that didn't strike me as (a) quality or (b) downright clever. We've released some players that needed to be gone, and we got value from a few guys we had no business getting value from.

I have been a little frustrated by some of the moves they haven't made. QB and OL are the obvious question marks. But it's a better starting OL this year than last year. And even if our QB situation doesn't improve this year, I don't think it can get too much worse than it was last year. And we've seen worse as recently as six or seven years ago.

I'm up for seeing why Shanahan thinks so highly of Beck. I'm looking forward to watching this defense, which has truly turned a corner, personnel wise.

... Mike is going to be under a lot of pressure while he continues to set the foundation. DC is not a friendly town for a long-term, level-headed reconstruction project. Even Joe Gibbs faced the same scrutiny his second time around.

good points & nice summary FFA

I agree about the QB & O line but I think the restraint was due to who was available in the draft and through FA
kudos to the FO for not 'reaching' as we have done in the past

I'm not expecting great things here but I think these guys want to continue what they've started and are going to be trying very hard to put as good an effort into coaching and game planning as possible

I'm kind of looking forward to seeing the good things from this team - I think we all know that the O line and QB need major upgrades next season but I think we're going to be surprised by how much improved our D is this year - I also hope that the kicking game is a lot better too

Hopefully these 2 QBs can find a way to be available for all 16 games - we'll need both

It was a solid year even if Beck ends up sucking. We need a QB of the future, but I don't see any realistic chances to get one we passed on.

That depends on how right (or wrong) the team was in their evaluation of Gabbert. If he turns out to be franchise quality qb, it will have been a big mistake by the front office to pass on him.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

It was a solid year even if Beck ends up sucking. We need a QB of the future, but I don't see any realistic chances to get one we passed on.

That depends on how right (or wrong) the team was in their evaluation of Gabbert. If he turns out to be franchise quality qb, it will have been a big mistake by the front office to pass on him.

That is a good point, but Kerrigan also has to figure into the equation. If he turns ou to be a stud, then that cancels out Gabbert. Then you also have to figure in, if we get Luck, Barkley or Landry next year.

Red_One43 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

It was a solid year even if Beck ends up sucking. We need a QB of the future, but I don't see any realistic chances to get one we passed on.

That depends on how right (or wrong) the team was in their evaluation of Gabbert. If he turns out to be franchise quality qb, it will have been a big mistake by the front office to pass on him.

That is a good point, but Kerrigan also has to figure into the equation. If he turns ou to be a stud, then that cancels out Gabbert. Then you also have to figure in, if we get Luck, Barkley or Landry next year.

Not really. A stud linebacker in no way cancels out a stub qb. However, this is all pure conjecture.

CanesSkins26 wrote:Not really. A stud linebacker in no way cancels out a stub qb. However, this is all pure conjecture.

We were right to pass on Gabbert

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Not really. A stud linebacker in no way cancels out a stub qb. However, this is all pure conjecture.

We were right to pass on Gabbert

Garrard was carted of the field today... we should have charged them more