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SkinsJock wrote:It's real easy for me
this guy improves our offensive line - end of story
anyone that thinks we should be so bad that we can draft Luck has ZERO credibility in saying who can play and who should not play
Who knows, John Beck may be ready to live up to the expectations that were had of him in 2007.frankcal20 wrote:Keep in mind that there's not a lot of talent out there. I'm sure they weighed keeping Rabach or bringing someone new in. I like the move.
PulpExposure wrote:As they always do, the Redskins are overpaying for mediocre talent.
Ouch, nice shot, Rotoworld...
1niksder wrote:CanesSkins26 will never lose his credibility with me. We may not agree all the time, but he puts a lot of thought into what he posts and is a true fan.
fleetus wrote:Despite Chester performing below expectations in Baltimore, here is why I think the Redskins signed him (and why he may work out)
1. Chester is fast. He ran the fastest time of any OL in the scouting combine (2006). We all know that Shanahan/Foerster O-lines utilize athletic and fast O-linemen
2. Foerster has coached Chester before in Baltimore (as mentioned earlier in this thread)
3. Chester is slightly better suited to Center. He played TE at Oklahoma and switched to Center. The Ravens used him more at guard, due to injuries. They hoped he would eventually succeed Matt Birk at Center, but after 14 years Birk hasn't slowed down much. So when the critics say he didn't run block well, it was mostly at guard.
If Foerster can help him improve his strength and he can get a chance to start at Center, he might be a pleasant surprise.
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1niksder wrote:SkinsJock wrote:It's real easy for me
this guy improves our offensive line - end of story
anyone that thinks we should be so bad that we can draft Luck has ZERO credibility in saying who can play and who should not play
CS26 will never lose he's credibility with me. We may not agree all the time, but he puts a lot of thought in what he post
From 2008-2010 Stephon Heyer started 28 out 38 games (a higher percentage than Chester.
Love you, CS26!I think #2 is the most important. Our O-line coach knows what he is getting. That's good enough for me.
KazooSkinsFan wrote:I don't think Chester was meant to be "the" fix for the line. I think he was supposed to be an improvement for interior depth.
I'd like to re-sign Jamaal and sign a bonafide starting left guard and if we do that I think our line will be significantly improved.
Skinsfan55 wrote:I'm a little concerned that we paid $4 million a year over the next 5 years to a guy who is kind of a stiff. Granted, the contract only runs until he's 32, but it's a lot of money to spend on a guy who is not considered a quality starter. Everyone seems to consider Chester a decent reserve who can make a few starts when needed. For that kind of money you have to assume he's being slated for a bigger role.
1niksder wrote:Skinsfan55 wrote:I'm a little concerned that we paid $4 million a year over the next 5 years to a guy who is kind of a stiff. Granted, the contract only runs until he's 32, but it's a lot of money to spend on a guy who is not considered a quality starter. Everyone seems to consider Chester a decent reserve who can make a few starts when needed. For that kind of money you have to assume he's being slated for a bigger role.
38 out of 48 games IS NOT a few starts....
He's not stiff, as CS pointed out he played a little at TE, plus the Ravens had him in a power scheme.
The ZBS is a much better scheme for this guy
The Redskins plan to start Chris Chester at right guard.
Chester couldn't hold down a starting job in Baltimore due to ineffectiveness, but the Redskins gave him $20 million. The 'Skins have one of the worst offensive lines in football and are planning to stage a full-blow competition between Rex Grossman and John Beck at quarterback. They are the leaders in the clubhouse for Stanford QB Andrew Luck.
fleetus wrote:Foerster has some decent experience. He was offfensive coord for the Dolphins and Assist HC for the Ravens (in addition to O-line), and other stints at Tampa and Indy.
I wouldn't base much of your opinion of Foerster from his 2 years in SF. He was O-line coach only for one full season, 2009) In 2006, Foerster coached a Ravens offensive line that gave up a franchise record of least sacks allowed (17) in a season. 2nd best in the NFL that year.
Let's see how he coaches up the line this year.
And could someone please tell me how Chris Foerster gets a hall pass? Here’s a coach who left Miami in 2004 after his O-Line was tied for second worst in the league in sacks allowed (52). They also were tied for dead last in average yards per rush (3.5 yards).
In 2005 with virtually the same offensive line personnel and without Foerster the Dolphins were fourth best in the league at protecting the quarterback (26 sacks) and tied for seventh best in average per carry (4.3 yards).
PulpExposure wrote:fleetus wrote:Foerster has some decent experience. He was offfensive coord for the Dolphins and Assist HC for the Ravens (in addition to O-line), and other stints at Tampa and Indy.
I wouldn't base much of your opinion of Foerster from his 2 years in SF. He was O-line coach only for one full season, 2009) In 2006, Foerster coached a Ravens offensive line that gave up a franchise record of least sacks allowed (17) in a season. 2nd best in the NFL that year.
Let's see how he coaches up the line this year.
If you read the link I put in, it's an indictment of his entire coaching history. Not just at SF. His line was a mess in Baltimore, and he left offenses and they got better beforehand. Here's a Baltimore post.And could someone please tell me how Chris Foerster gets a hall pass? Here’s a coach who left Miami in 2004 after his O-Line was tied for second worst in the league in sacks allowed (52). They also were tied for dead last in average yards per rush (3.5 yards).
In 2005 with virtually the same offensive line personnel and without Foerster the Dolphins were fourth best in the league at protecting the quarterback (26 sacks) and tied for seventh best in average per carry (4.3 yards).
It's pretty miserable
spudstr04 wrote:The Redskins plan to start Chris Chester at right guard.
Chester couldn't hold down a starting job in Baltimore due to ineffectiveness, but the Redskins gave him $20 million. The 'Skins have one of the worst offensive lines in football and are planning to stage a full-blow competition between Rex Grossman and John Beck at quarterback. They are the leaders in the clubhouse for Stanford QB Andrew Luck.
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skinsfan#33 wrote:
At least it is a ?, the OL is only marginally improved so we know it will be bad, just like last year. The only thing we have done to improve it was sign a Ravens' backup to "improve" one spot.
Very little change to the OL, means very little change to the OL!
skinsfan#33 wrote:fleetus wrote:Countertrey wrote:I see Shanahan working to create a healthy rotation of down hill runners in the offensive backfield. Next questions: "Can the O-line keep up?" "Will the passing game be adequate to keep the box uncluttered?"
+1
Passing game is definitely a ???
At least it is a ?, the OL is only marginally improved so we know it will be bad, just like last year. The only thing we have done to improve it was sign a Ravens' backup to "improve" one spot.
Very little change to the OL, means very little change to the OL!
1niksder wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:
At least it is a ?, the OL is only marginally improved so we know it will be bad, just like last year. The only thing we have done to improve it was sign a Ravens' backup to "improve" one spot.
Very little change to the OL, means very little change to the OL!
He wasn't a Ravens backup
SkinsJock wrote:I don't think the O line is going to suddenly become as good as everyone wants
SkinsJock wrote:OR - be a big improvement over last season
skinsfan#33 wrote:fleetus wrote:Countertrey wrote:I see Shanahan working to create a healthy rotation of down hill runners in the offensive backfield. Next questions: "Can the O-line keep up?" "Will the passing game be adequate to keep the box uncluttered?"
+1
Passing game is definitely a ???
At least it is a ?, the OL is only marginally improved so we know it will be bad, just like last year. The only thing we have done to improve it was sign a Ravens' backup to "improve" one spot.
Very little change to the OL, means very little change to the OL!
Skinsfan55 wrote:1niksder wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:
At least it is a ?, the OL is only marginally improved so we know it will be bad, just like last year. The only thing we have done to improve it was sign a Ravens' backup to "improve" one spot.
Very little change to the OL, means very little change to the OL!
He wasn't a Ravens backup
Okay, I think Chris Chester is going to help some, but showing he was temporarily first on the depth chart doesn't disprove the idea he is a backup. Chester was never the Ravens first choice to hit the field, but was always pressed into action by injury. Marshall Yanda was their starting RG, but an injury to tackle Jared Gaither forced him to slide to RT. That of course opened a spot for Chester.
Skinsfan55 wrote:1niksder wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:
At least it is a ?, the OL is only marginally improved so we know it will be bad, just like last year. The only thing we have done to improve it was sign a Ravens' backup to "improve" one spot.
Very little change to the OL, means very little change to the OL!
He wasn't a Ravens backup
Okay, I think Chris Chester is going to help some, but showing he was temporarily first on the depth chart doesn't disprove the idea he is a backup. Chester was never the Ravens first choice to hit the field, but was always pressed into action by injury. Marshall Yanda was their starting RG, but an injury to tackle Jared Gaither forced him to slide to RT. That of course opened a spot for Chester.
KazooSkinsFan wrote:So you don't think the progression of our tackles with Trent moving past his rookie season and Jamaal being actually available for a season will have an impact? I think you're totally wrong. Solid bookend tackles would have more of an impact then another interior lineman. We'll see.