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I heard today that the salary cap would but slightly north of 140 million. If so, the Skins are in pretty good shape. We should really be able to get some key players to fill needs.

Kruncher wrote:I heard today that the salary cap would be slightly north of 140 million. If so, the Skins are in pretty good shape. We should really be able to get some key players to fill needs.

Trust me on this - the ONLY trusted source for information about the salary cap comes from 1niksder

NOBODY else knows what is happening and how it pertains to our Redskins - NOBODY

^^ Seriously!

Kruncher wrote:I heard today that the salary cap would but slightly north of 140 million. If so, the Skins are in pretty good shape. We should really be able to get some key players to fill needs.

The 2011 cap will be set at $120 million, with $21 million more per team allotted for ancillary benefits, which gives you the $141 million number that you heard.

The Redskins currently sit at $96,180,000 if you only count the top 51 salaries, 97,905,000. With the cap being $120,000,000 that gives the team $22,411,000 in cap space.

These numbers include a $10 million bonus for McNabb, which will come off the books if he isn't on the team after week 1, I'm still trying to track down if there are any dead cap obligations.

At most the Dead Cap will be $19.4 million, so the worst case would be $15,511,000.00 in cap space (no McNabb and adding the dead cap), and that's before any cuts are made (other than McNabb).

No McNabb and no Dead Cap would put the team at around $34,911,000 under the Cap

UPDATE: My numbers are off by about $600,000....

1niksder wrote:UPDATE: My numbers are off by about $600,000....

Geez. Figure it out.

I have a question for you 1niksder

I heard that the cap amount is 'calculated' at the end of the season rather than before the season - some teams will keep some of this in 'reserve' to ensure they have room to sign anyone they may want to keep, before they become free agents at the end

I'm guessing that this means that teams like the pukes who are at or near the cap limit will have time to get rid of some salary in the event that they sign someone like Asomugha - being 'over' the cap is really not critical until after the season?

AND - is this the same as before?

SkinsJock wrote:I have a question for you 1niksder

I heard that the cap amount is 'calculated' at the end of the season rather than before the season - some teams will keep some of this in 'reserve' to ensure they have room to sign anyone they may want to keep, before they become free agents at the end

I'm guessing that this means that teams like the pukes who are at or near the cap limit will have time to get rid of some salary in the event that they sign someone like Asomugha - being 'over' the cap is really not critical until after the season?

AND - is this the same as before?

Actually that the spending floor that is calculated and the end of the year. Teams have to be under or at the cap at the start of the season

1niksder wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I have a question for you 1niksder

I heard that the cap amount is 'calculated' at the end of the season rather than before the season - some teams will keep some of this in 'reserve' to ensure they have room to sign anyone they may want to keep, before they become free agents at the end

Actually, it's the spending floor that is calculated at the end of the year.
Teams have to be under or at the cap at the start of the season

thanks mate -

NP

SkinsJock wrote:I have a question for you 1niksder

I heard that the cap amount is 'calculated' at the end of the season rather than before the season - some teams will keep some of this in 'reserve' to ensure they have room to sign anyone they may want to keep, before they become free agents at the end

This is correct. The cap amount for each league year is calculated at the end of the previous season. The salary cap goes into effect on the first day of the league year (in this case, I think it's August 4th) and teams must be under it for the entire league year--since player contracts require approval by the league office, it's impossible to violate the cap as the NFL will void any non-compliant contract.

Virtually all teams leave breathing room under the cap through the start of the season, not just to sign their own players, but for injury replacements throughout the season.

I'm guessing that this means that teams like the pukes who are at or near the cap limit will have time to get rid of some salary in the event that they sign someone like Asomugha - being 'over' the cap is really not critical until after the season?

AND - is this the same as before?

There are some differences--there's a cash floor as opposed to a cap floor, so you won't see the same games played with LTBE incentives, and to ease into the new cap teams are now allowed to explicitly borrow from future years (for at least this year, dunno about future). But it's more the same than it is different.

Paralis wrote:
There are some differences--there's a cash floor as opposed to a cap floor, so you won't see the same games played with LTBE incentives, and to ease into the new cap teams are now allowed to explicitly borrow from future years (for at least this year, dunno about future). But it's more the same than it is different.

$3 million this year, $1.5 million in 2012 and 2013.

Does this meant that the Danny will not be forced to spend?

It remains widely believed by fans and some in the media that the mandatory minimum cash spend of 89 percent under the new labor deal immediately applies. It doesn’t.

While the league as a whole must spend cash in 2011 that equates to 99 percent of the cap, there’s no minimum requirement for each team until 2013. Thus, neither the Bengals nor any other specific team is required to spend another dime — as long as all 32 teams cuts checks this year that equal at least $3.814 billion.

UPDATE: These numbers include the $3 million one-time exemption available to each team in 2011, which pushed the total spending limit to $123.4 million.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -cap-room/

Red_One43 wrote:Does this meant that the Danny will not be forced to spend?

It remains widely believed by fans and some in the media that the mandatory minimum cash spend of 89 percent under the new labor deal immediately applies. It doesn’t.

While the league as a whole must spend cash in 2011 that equates to 99 percent of the cap, there’s no minimum requirement for each team until 2013. Thus, neither the Bengals nor any other specific team is required to spend another dime — as long as all 32 teams cuts checks this year that equal at least $3.814 billion.

UPDATE: These numbers include the $3 million one-time exemption available to each team in 2011, which pushed the total spending limit to $123.4 million.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -cap-room/

It means Bruce doesn't have to throw money around right now, Players being signed now will have contracts that have large base salaries in 2013 and beyond.

because of the prolonged lockout everyone is dealing with post June 1st cap rules. Meaning a lot of teams will go into 2012 with high dead money on their cap and adding high salaries and bonuses would kill some teams. So team basically have until 2013 to get their books in order.

Bruce did what he had to do mostly last year, now he's handing out one year deals as part of a evaluation process, can extend the deals during the season if the player pans out. Philly is spending it all now in hopes of getting a ring. If that doesn't work out for them and they dump those big deals next year they be hurting for cap space and be no where near the spending floor. The Redskins will be almost dollar for dollar cap vs spending, if the player work out. If the players don't workout, they'll look like Philly in 2013.

They still have to spend more than normal but have two and a half years to get there

1niksder wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:Does this meant that the Danny will not be forced to spend?

It remains widely believed by fans and some in the media that the mandatory minimum cash spend of 89 percent under the new labor deal immediately applies. It doesn’t.

While the league as a whole must spend cash in 2011 that equates to 99 percent of the cap, there’s no minimum requirement for each team until 2013. Thus, neither the Bengals nor any other specific team is required to spend another dime — as long as all 32 teams cuts checks this year that equal at least $3.814 billion.

UPDATE: These numbers include the $3 million one-time exemption available to each team in 2011, which pushed the total spending limit to $123.4 million.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -cap-room/

It means Bruce doesn't have to throw money around right now, Players being signed now will have contracts that have large base salaries in 2013 and beyond.

because of the prolonged lockout everyone is dealing with post June 1st cap rules. Meaning a lot of teams will go into 2012 with high dead money on their cap and adding high salaries and bonuses would kill some teams. So team basically have until 2013 to get their books in order.

Bruce did what he had to do mostly last year, now he's handing out one year deals as part of a evaluation process, can extend the deals during the season if the player pans out. Philly is spending it all now in hopes of getting a ring. If that doesn't work out for them and they dump those big deals next year they be hurting for cap space and be no where near the spending floor. The Redskins will be almost dollar for dollar cap vs spending, if the player work out. If the players don't workout, they'll look like Philly in 2013.

They still have to spend more than normal but have two and a half years to get there

Thanx. That was most helpful.

From PFT:

On Thursday, we listed the seven teams that need to trim some fat, as of Tuesday. We also have listed the 11 teams with more than $20 million in space, as of Tuesday.

So what of the other 14 teams? Here’s where they stood, as of Tuesday: Redskins ($18.7 million); Colts ($15.7 million); Packers ($15.4 million); Titans ($13.6 million); Saints ($10.5 million); Patriots ($9.2 million); Jets ($7.6 million); Dolphins ($6.6 million); Ravens ($6.6 million); Chargers ($5.0 million); Eagles ($3.8 million); Falcons ($2.6 million); Rams ($490,000); Giants ($290,000).

1Nik, what's you best estimate where we are as of Today? I think that the only guys that we have signed since Tuesday are Doughty and Rocky.

Also, with the compliance date for being under the cap, there will be some more releasing of players on Friday, looks like we have room for some more guys like Tatupu and more.

Is there anyone else we need to extend this year besides Landry? How much money do teams usually set aside for adding players due to players going on injured reserve?


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... s-at-hand/

Red_One43 wrote:
1Nik, what's you best estimate where we are as of Today? I think that the only guys that we have signed since Tuesday are Doughty and Rocky.

They've don't a lot of one year deals I haven't tracked down yet (no NFLPA site to help me out yet), but if I had to put a number on it I'd say about $14.5M right now. They re-signed Grossman and Blades on Tuesday (not sure if you are including them) After Tues. they also signed Thomas Weaver (UDFA) and Kedrick Gholston in addition to Rocky and Doughty

Red_One43 wrote:Also, with the compliance date for being under the cap, there will be some more releasing of players on Friday, looks like we have room for some more guys like Tatupu and more.

I have the current roster at 88, so they do have room to sign more players now and teams have until 4 pm Friday to be under the cap (about 10 teams are currently over)

Red_One43 wrote:Is there anyone else we need to extend this year besides Landry? How much money do teams usually set aside for adding players due to players going on injured reserve?

Teams generally will hold back about $2M for injury settlements, and roughly the same amount for new acquisitions.

Other than LL, you can include anyone that signed a one year deal this season that produces like a Tim Hightower or Rex Grossman.

Players in their last year of their contract include Carriker, Horton, Kelly, Lichtensteiger, Montgomery, Moore, and Oldenburg

1niksder wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:
1Nik, what's you best estimate where we are as of Today? I think that the only guys that we have signed since Tuesday are Doughty and Rocky.

They've don't a lot of one year deals I haven't tracked down yet (no NFLPA site to help me out yet), but if I had to put a number on it I'd say about $14.5M right now. They re-signed Grossman and Blades on Tuesday (not sure if you are including them) After Tues. they also signed Thomas Weaver (UDFA) and Kedrick Gholston in addition to Rocky and Doughty

Red_One43 wrote:Also, with the compliance date for being under the cap, there will be some more releasing of players on Friday, looks like we have room for some more guys like Tatupu and more.

I have the current roster at 88, so they do have room to sign more players now and teams have until 4 pm Friday to be under the cap (about 10 teams are currently over)

Red_One43 wrote:Is there anyone else we need to extend this year besides Landry? How much money do teams usually set aside for adding players due to players going on injured reserve?

Teams generally will hold back about $2M for injury settlements, and roughly the same amount for new acquisitions.

Other than LL, you can include anyone that signed a one year deal this season that produces like a Tim Hightower or Rex Grossman.

Players in their last year of their contract include Carriker, Horton, Kelly, Lichtensteiger, Montgomery, Moore, and Oldenburg

Thanx, 1nik!

The roster is at 90 players, with 3 players on the PUP list. They still sign 3 more players, then every signing will result in a cut

I can understand why you would want a full camp, but the roster is really muddled right now, and with the first preseason game next week it's going to be hard to really get a good enough look at some guys before they start cutting.

Redskins still have plenty of cap room:

The teams with cap space, a day before all teams must be in compliance, are as follows: Buccaneers ($ 29,560,000); Chiefs ($ 28,431,000); Jaguars ($ 28,000,000); Browns ($ 27,620,000); Bengals ($ 27,164,000); Broncos ($26,542,000); Bills ($ 23,460,000); 49ers ($ 22,570,000); Bears ($ 19,300,000); Seahawks ($ 16,387,000); Cardinals ($ 14,603,000); Redskins ($ 11,450,000); Packers ($ 11,106,000); Jets ($ 8,920,000); Dolphins ($ 8,446,000); Colts ($7,925,000); Titans ($ 7,127,000); Saints ($ 7,027,000); Patriots ($ 5,264,000); Chargers ($ 5,031,000); Eagles ($4,604,000); Ravens ($ 3,558,000); Panthers ($ 1,915,000); Vikings ($ 938,000); Falcons ($811,000); Giants ($623,000); Rams ($621,000).

The teams in the red are: Raiders ($15,246,000); Steelers ($8,597,000); Lions ($7,793,000); Cowboys ($6,671,000); and Texans ($3,358,000).

By tomorrow at 4:00 p.m., there should be no teams in the red.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -thursday/

Those darned Raiders and Lions, finally they'll have to stop stockpiling pro-bowlers...

Updated cap space as of August 15

So here’s the updated cap space, as of Monday, August 15:

Chiefs: $33 million.

Buccaneers: $29 million.

Jaguars: $28.3 million.

Bengals: $25.9 million.

Bills: $24.6 million.

Browns: $24.5 million.

Broncos: $24.4 million.

Bears: $19.3 million.

49ers: $15.6 million.

Seahawks: $15.5 million

Cardinals: $14.6 million.

Packers: $13.1 million.

Redskins: $10.9 million.

Dolphins: $9.6 million.

Jets: $9.4 million.

Patriots: $9.2 million.

Colts: $7.1 million.

Titans: $6.9 million.

Cowboys: $6.6 million.

Giants: $5.5 million.

Raiders: $5.1 million.

Steelers: $4.4 million.

Ravens: $2.8 million.

Chargers: $2.7 million.

Saints: $2.6 million.

Texans: $2.2 million.

Eagles: $2 million

Panthers: $1.7 million.

Lions: $1.1 million.

Falcons: $1.1 million.

Vikings: $380,000.

Rams: $270,000.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... august-15/

Horrible teams at both ends, it's a good sign to see the Redskins fall between the Packers and Patriots.

Red_One43 wrote:Updated cap space as of August 15

So here’s the updated cap space, as of Monday, August 15:


Redskins: $10.9 million.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... august-15/

I have the Redskins at 115,275,063 = Dead Cap + Rule of 51 or $8,536,937.00 under the cap. Still going through the CBA and finding some of my numbers off here and there.

Page will be up to date prior to game one and after the final cuts, but it give a general idea of what everyone is making and where the team stands as a whole.

If anyone sees something that doesn't look right let me know in this thread.

Damn, they can sign me to the team for a cool grand and still have tons of money left! LOL