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emoses14 wrote:

1niksder wrote:

cleg wrote:I am starting to convince myself that Beck will succed just like I convinced myself Zorn was going to be a diamond in the rough. I wish I would not do this to myself.

You're a Redskins fan.... That's how we roll

Whadda ya mean? Even the most casual NFL fan can see that Beck is ready to have a 10 year, repeat Pro Bowl, mulitple Super Bowl MVP winning, Hall of Fame career as quarterback for the Washington Redskins, he's had 4 years to master the nuances of the NFL on his keister being misevaluated by the brain dead heads of football operation in Miami (Parcells) and Baltimore (Newsome) and now he is ready to take this league by storm! Who needs game experience? Hell, I'm surprised such a genius as Shannahan didn't see it last year, too busy looking at that McNabb guy, I guess.

In Beck we Trust!!

HAIL.....YEAH

I will get behind whom ever is the starting QB that first game against the Giants, but rest assured if it is Beck and he doesn't work out then someone better take responsibility. Step Shanny is it Beck or not?

We'll all be behind whomever is the starting QB for that first game - ABSOLUTELY


If we have a QB that plays well for this season, so much the better, but our future success here depends on this team making progress with our offensive line and having the 3-4 defense be a lot more effective than we saw last year

We are not looking to make the playoffs here, this season - we are hopefully making a lot of good moves to put this team in position to compete for the playoffs in 2012 and beyond

Making the playoffs would be fantastic but I'm looking for this FO to add players for the long term, not just a short term fix like the giants did recently

I love Beck's attitude. I love that when he was given the scout team role, that he gave it 100% to be the best opposing QB to help prepare the team each and every week.

I also love that as soon as there appeared to be an opening for the Redskins starting QB, Beck let it be known that he intends to be the starter. He has character and some leadership.

All of that, however, amounts to little or nothing until he wins the job by playing better than any other QB. So, I am quietly rooting for him, but in the end we need the best QB more than we need the most hopeful QB.

I do believe the Skins have added too many older veteran players to the roster in the past and have suppressed development of the younger players. Sometimes you have to give the younger players a shot to earn the starting role. This year, I hope Beck, K. Barnes, Jarvis Jenkins and Kieland Williams are given opportunities to earn significant playing time rather than signing aging veterans to keep them on the bench.

Fresh OFF the press:

John Beck puts stamp on Redskins starting job John Beck completed 14-of-17 passes for 140 yards in two quarters of play in his 2011 preseason debut Friday night against Indianapolis.
All three of Beck's first-half possessions resulted in scores, and he was 5-of-5 for 51 yards in third-down situations. Beck has a quick release, showed off his athleticism with 17 yards on two scrambles, and appears to have above-average arm strength. In a competition already skewed in his favor, Beck likely pulled ahead of Rex Grossman for the Redskins' starting job. Just keep in mind that the Colts never come to play in preseason, and Washington's run game was absolutely dominant. The best news is that Beck did not crumble in the pocket, a problem that doomed his Dolphins stint four years ago.

John Beck makes it easy on the Shanahans

Washington’s Week One quarterback spot was always John Beck’s job to lose.

Beck didn’t leave anything to chance Friday night, all but guaranteeing he will get the call for the Redskins against the Giants on September 11. The BYU product completed 14-of-17 passes for 140 yards against the Colts.

Buoyed by a dominant running game, Beck led the Redskins to 16 points in the first half against Indy. (3 field goals and a touchdown.) Washington kept bogging down in the red zone, but Beck didn’t make any bad decisions.

After a slow start to camp because of a groin injury, Beck is healthy again. Most impressive was Beck’s pocket presence. He evaded the rush and moved well. It should be noted that the Colts never show up in the preseason, and they have been absolutely steamrolled two straight weeks.

That’s not Beck’s concern. The Shanahans were looking for any reason to make Beck the starter, and he made the decision easy Friday.

UPDATE: Rex Grossman didn’t lead the Redskins to any points. He threw for 88 yards on 12 attempts with an interception. Ballgame.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... shanahans/

No bad decisions and mobile... the anti-Rex

Ride with Beck because his upside is greater than Rex. Rex is what he is. With more playing experience, a line, and a running game, Beck could be our solution at QB until Matt Barkley, or whoever takes the reigns in another 2 years or so.

I'm supporting Beck. He throws with a lot more zip in the intermediate routes than I thought. Hail

I was pretty impressed with the guy, seems like a good qb.

From the Post:

I know a lot of you saw this tweet from ESPN’s Adam Schefter during the third quarter. It read: “Washington's John Beck looked and played like a QB who wrapped up a starting job tonight.”

Schefter’s close connection to coach Mike Shanahan is well documented, and the tweet has to be interpreted in that context.

The tweet was brought up to Beck after the game, and he brushed it off. He’s wary of what a talented Baltimore Ravens defense could do to his stock next week. He’s not taking anything for granted, at least.

I initially disagreed with Schefter’s statement. Beck wasn’t close to perfect, nor did he play that much better than Rex Grossman did last week.

But as I thought about it more, Schefter’s point became clear: The job is Beck’s to lose, and he showed tonight that he’s good enough not to lose it over the final two preseason games. I’ll buy that.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/red ... 6-colts-3/

If Beck finds out that the Ravens are starting their best players defensively, he should see if he can go in after Rex has a chance to soften them up a bit

Beck seemed to hold onto the ball too long. Grossman makes quicker decisions. The choice of a starter may depend on how well our O line plays.

yupchagee wrote:Beck seemed to hold onto the ball too long. Grossman makes quicker decisions. The choice of a starter may depend on how well our O line plays.

Having seen both games on TV, I didn't see any difference in Beck holding the ball longer than Grossman. Maybe it seemed longer because you were there and your adrenaline was higher than when you are at home?

Bob 0119 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:Beck seemed to hold onto the ball too long. Grossman makes quicker decisions. The choice of a starter may depend on how well our O line plays.

Having seen both games on TV, I didn't see any difference in Beck holding the ball longer than Grossman. Maybe it seemed longer because you were there and your adrenaline was higher than when you are at home?

I guess that's possible. After all, I wasn't using a stopwatch.

Beck posted a 90.8 passer rating compared to Rex Grossman's 99.9 on 8-of-15 passes for 112 yards and a touchdown. Beck's four drives ended in two touchdowns, a punt, and a pick. Grossman's four series ended in three punts and a touchdown, but he was clearly the sharper of the two against the Ravens' starters. While there's still no separation in the competition, the Shanahans believe Beck's upside is higher due to his mobility, quick release, and anticipation.

Grossman 34/53 64.2 407 yards 2TD/1Int 92.3 QB RTG
Beck 20-27 74.1 253 yards 1TD/1Int. 99.0 QB RTG

I'd put Beck ahead of Grossman but not by much

langleyparkjoe wrote:I was pretty impressed with the guy, seems like a good qb.

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1niksder wrote:

Beck posted a 90.8 passer rating compared to Rex Grossman's 99.9 on 8-of-15 passes for 112 yards and a touchdown. Beck's four drives ended in two touchdowns, a punt, and a pick. Grossman's four series ended in three punts and a touchdown, but he was clearly the sharper of the two against the Ravens' starters. While there's still no separation in the competition, the Shanahans believe Beck's upside is higher due to his mobility, quick release, and anticipation.

Grossman 34/53 64.2 407 yards 2TD/1Int 92.3 QB RTG
Beck 20-27 74.1 253 yards 1TD/1Int. 99.0 QB RTG

I'd put Beck ahead of Grossman but not by much

Agreed.

We all know that Grossman is a streaky passer. When he gets hot, he plays like an All -pro like on tha last drive of his for the TD. When he is cold, which happens too often, he plays like a guy who should not be in the NFL. I think we could be respectable with Grossman so long as he is protected. His over all performance is good enough to keep the job But --

Beck has that mobility, leadership and is more consistent. The one thing that Grossman has that is very strong against Beck is has more command of the offense and has the game experience BUT playing Beck gives him that experience and their is evidence to believe that he will get better with each game.

Red_One43 wrote:

1niksder wrote:

Beck posted a 90.8 passer rating compared to Rex Grossman's 99.9 on 8-of-15 passes for 112 yards and a touchdown. Beck's four drives ended in two touchdowns, a punt, and a pick. Grossman's four series ended in three punts and a touchdown, but he was clearly the sharper of the two against the Ravens' starters. While there's still no separation in the competition, the Shanahans believe Beck's upside is higher due to his mobility, quick release, and anticipation.

Grossman 34/53 64.2 407 yards 2TD/1Int 92.3 QB RTG
Beck 20-27 74.1 253 yards 1TD/1Int. 99.0 QB RTG

I'd put Beck ahead of Grossman but not by much

Agreed.

We all know that Grossman is a streaky passer. When he gets hot, he plays like an All -pro like on tha last drive of his for the TD. When he is cold, which happens too often, he plays like a guy who should not be in the NFL. I think we could be respectable with Grossman so long as he is protected. His over all performance is good enough to keep the job But --

Beck has that mobility, leadership and is more consistent. The one thing that Grossman has that is very strong against Beck is has more command of the offense and has the game experience BUT playing Beck gives him that experience and their is evidence to believe that he will get better with each game.

I fully agree.

I believe the QB decision will come down to (in order of importance):

1. Consistency
2. Mobility
3. Age / Long term potential (upside)

I have Beck edging Grossman out on all three.

I predict that Beck will start the last preseason game. The reasoning will be that Grossman started #1 and #3, Beck #2. Thus it is the rotation to start Beck.

rick301 wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

1niksder wrote:

Beck posted a 90.8 passer rating compared to Rex Grossman's 99.9 on 8-of-15 passes for 112 yards and a touchdown. Beck's four drives ended in two touchdowns, a punt, and a pick. Grossman's four series ended in three punts and a touchdown, but he was clearly the sharper of the two against the Ravens' starters. While there's still no separation in the competition, the Shanahans believe Beck's upside is higher due to his mobility, quick release, and anticipation.

Grossman 34/53 64.2 407 yards 2TD/1Int 92.3 QB RTG
Beck 20-27 74.1 253 yards 1TD/1Int. 99.0 QB RTG

I'd put Beck ahead of Grossman but not by much

Agreed.

We all know that Grossman is a streaky passer. When he gets hot, he plays like an All -pro like on tha last drive of his for the TD. When he is cold, which happens too often, he plays like a guy who should not be in the NFL. I think we could be respectable with Grossman so long as he is protected. His over all performance is good enough to keep the job But --

Beck has that mobility, leadership and is more consistent. The one thing that Grossman has that is very strong against Beck is has more command of the offense and has the game experience BUT playing Beck gives him that experience and their is evidence to believe that he will get better with each game.

I fully agree.

I believe the QB decision will come down to (in order of importance):

1. Consistency
2. Mobility
3. Age / Long term potential (upside)

I have Beck edging Grossman out on all three.

I predict that Beck will start the last preseason game. The reasoning will be that Grossman started #1 and #3, Beck #2. Thus it is the rotation to start Beck.

Usually, in the last preseason game the players who have certain roster spots sit out. Those playing are trying to make the cut.

beck just seems to have all the upside, if he struggles you can always replace him but he should be given the nod

SkinsJock wrote:
no matter who is the QB, we're going to be better than 6 wins & most likely in the 8 to 9 win group this season


AND ... no matter who is the QB, we are NOT picking in the top 10

hope you are right about that