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EasyMoney wrote:I have a gut feeling that McNabb is not liked by the players on our team for whatever reason, and if true is reason enough to not want to see him back.

This is from immediately after the benching in Detroit so it's old but it speaks to how the team felt then:

"Yeah, there's a lot of stuff Donovan's had to deal with, but Donovan always handles everything first class," said cornerback Carlos Rogers. "It was a whole lot after the game and then [last week], but nobody handles stuff like that better than Donovan."

Privately, many within the organization acknowledge that Mike Shanahan could have handled things much better when he first met with the media after benching McNabb for the final 1 minute 50 seconds of the 37-25 loss. Many veteran players were upset about the move, though none would dare to publicly criticize the man who runs Washington's football operation.

Although McNabb did not play well against the Lions and has struggled for most of the season, he is highly respected in the locker room. Players believe they always have a chance to win with McNabb on the field. Grossman does not inspire such confidence.

"I would have gotten hot because of a lot of situations that went on, but he's our quarterback and he's our leader, so he's handling like he should," strong safety LaRon Landry said. "He's keeping his composure. And after what he went through before [in Philadelphia], it's what we all expected."

"I mean, let's analyze Donovan's career," defensive lineman Andre Carter said. "He was booed before he even was really part of their team, but he didn't take anything personal. And there were a lot of other times where the organization there, I don't want to say chastised him, but he could have taken other things personal, like a lot of guys would have, and he didn't do it."

McNabb's stoic demeanor provided fodder for criticism on sports-talk radio in Philadelphia. Fans often expressed frustration that McNabb did not display more emotion after his poor performances in losses, but "that's him," cornerback DeAngelo Hall said. "He's been in this league a long time, man, and he's a consummate professional. He goes out, works hard and gives everything he has. That's what matters, and that's why I'd definitely still ride with him and the other guys in here will, too."

Some NFL analysts believe McNabb has acted too passively in this situation. They said he should blast the Shanahans for stirring doubt about his intelligence and conditioning.

"But why would you want to do that?" fullback Mike Sellers said. "Just to add fuel to the fire? . . . It's all about your teammates and how your teammates feel about you. And we definitely believe in Donovan."

"Look at what he did the last time this happened. He balled out," Carter said. "No matter what Donovan goes through, we know we can count on him."

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DarthMonk

EasyMoney wrote:

This is a Kyle Shanahan offense where accuracy and timing are paramount. Matt Schaub might be the slowest athlete in the world but he ran this offense perfectly. Who wouldn't want that type of production? I don't think McNabb is capable.

Above is what the Shanahans have based or will base their decision on what to do with Donovan. If he can't run this offense then he there is no point in keeping him even if they can't find a trading partner.

Priority 1 would seem to be - Trade McNabb, but of course a trading partner must be found. An agreeable compensation and of course, acceptance of Donovan's contract won't be easy. Shanny managed to find many trading partners during the draft. Does Shanny and Allen already have something cooking to get the trade done? Would Donovan restructure his contract to get out of here.

If Priority 1 cannot be acheived what is Priority 2?

Rehabb McNabb? Is McNabb a Reid system QB or can he learn the fundamentals of quarterbacking, at his age, right down to the number of hitches Kyle wants?. If McNabb can't run Kyle's O then this cannot be a priorty at all.

If the Shanahans have determined that McNabb cannot run this O to the precision that it needs, then Priority 2 would be to release him.

WHEN? Before training camp? During training camp and preseason waiting for a QB on another team to get hurt?

Do you play McNabb if he is on the roster? If he gets hurt, then we pay his salary for the whole year.

Can the Redskins "McNair" Donovan and tell him to stay away from the facilities as the Titans did with Steve McNair?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2409323

An arbitrator ruled that a team cannot deny a player workout privileges at its facilities, but can a team refuse to suit up a player under contract?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2464731

My guess is Shanny and Allen have something already cooked up to trade him and Donovan is trying to prove that he is coachable by emphazing "fundamentals" which will help him land another job.

my guess is that McNabb, Mike and Kyle have a very good idea of what is going to happen when we get back to business

the fans and the media are just doing a lot of speculating and trying to create scenarios that suit what they feel:
- the media do it to create any sort of 'buzz' just because that's good for them and they RARELY ever get it right
- the fans that like (or don't like) McNabb will try and find anything and everything to 'prove' their point of view

the facts are these guys are already pretty sure about what options they will be pursuing

the speculating is all we've got with this stupid BS that the NFL and the players are pulling


My guess is that he's done here but I still think he's the better option at QB than Beck (OR Grossman) & Mike and Kyle know it

The only thing I'm reasonably sure of is that I have no idea if McNabb will be brought back to the Skins, or who might replace him. I doubt that any of us can predict that. (Yes, on a bad day he is still better than Beck and better than Grossman)

welch wrote:The only thing I'm reasonably sure of is that I have no idea if McNabb will be brought back to the Skins, or who might replace him. I doubt that any of us can predict that. (Yes, on a bad day he is still better than Beck and better than Grossman)

I agree on a bad day Donovan is still better a better QB than Beck or Grossman, but the question is, is McNabb a better QB for Kyle's offense the way he believes it should be run?

“During the course of a regular game, Kyle Shanahan wants you to run the offense exactly how he wants it, down to the amount of hitches you take to go through your progressions,” Grossman told Zig Fracassi and Solomon Wilcots, per Steinberg. “And if you really study that and rep that in practice, then it becomes a lot easier during the game. You’re not thinking as much as your body just goes through the progressions. That’s some of the things that’s really helped me start the second half of my career, and I feel like I’m a much better quarterback because of that.”

Think about that one. Kyle Shanahan wants the quarterback “to run the offense exactly how he wants it, down to the amount of hitches you take to go through your progressions.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... rol-freak/

The key to McNabb coming back is whether or not he is willing to do what is quoted in that article. It is has been said that McNabb likes to improvise. That freedom brought him a lot of success. It appears that the lack of freedom and the demand to do it exactly as the much younger Kyle says is what got McNabb where he is today. I don't believe McNabb is washed up. I think that he has a couple of more years, but I don't think that that old vet has it in him to QB Kyle style. Donovan says he will show people the impossible next year and that he will work on his fundamentals, I don't think that that message was for Skins fans, but for those that doubt that he can still play and that he is hard to coach. I think that the parties involved in a trade for McNabb had preliminary talks before the lockout. Yes, none of us knows the mind of Shanny, but I predict that Donovan is gone and the decision to move on might be mutual between the Shanny and him based on what Kyle expects of the QB for his offense.

Red_One43 wrote:
The key to McNabb coming back is whether or not he is willing to do what is quoted in that article. It is has been said that McNabb likes to improvise. That freedom brought him a lot of success. It appears that the lack of freedom and the demand to do it exactly as the much younger Kyle says is what got McNabb where he is today. I don't believe McNabb is washed up. I think that he has a couple of more years, but I don't think that that old vet has it in him to QB Kyle style. Donovan says he will show people the impossible next year and that he will work on his fundamentals, I don't think that that message was for Skins fans, but for those that doubt that he can still play and that he is hard to coach. I think that the parties involved in a trade for McNabb had preliminary talks before the lockout. Yes, none of us knows the mind of Shanny, but I predict that Donovan is gone and the decision to move on might be mutual between the Shanny and him based on what Kyle expects of the QB for his offense.

The key to McNabb coming back was broken off in a lock it didn't turn.

McNabb likes to improvise and go "outside the box", meaning scoring a TD won't justify the play not being run the way it was drawn up, not when it's Kyle that wants the justification.

McNabb's situation might have been settled pre-lockout and only time will tell. He won't be a Redskin in 2011

Look at the quotes after his benching...

"Yeah, there's a lot of stuff Donovan's had to deal with, but Donovan always handles everything first class," said cornerback Carlos Rogers. "It was a whole lot after the game and then [last week], but nobody handles stuff like that better than Donovan."

"I would have gotten hot because of a lot of situations that went on, but he's our quarterback and he's our leader, so he's handling like he should," strong safety LaRon Landry said. "He's keeping his composure. And after what he went through before [in Philadelphia], it's what we all expected."

but "that's him," cornerback DeAngelo Hall said. "He's been in this league a long time, man, and he's a consummate professional. He goes out, works hard and gives everything he has. That's what matters, and that's why I'd definitely still ride with him and the other guys in here will, too."

"I mean, let's analyze Donovan's career," defensive lineman Andre Carter said. "He was booed before he even was really part of their team, but he didn't take anything personal. And there were a lot of other times where the organization there, I don't want to say chastised him, but he could have taken other things personal, like a lot of guys would have, and he didn't do it."

That's pretty much what the Redskins press corp came up with (a few statements from a few defensive players) after McNabb sat out the last two minutes of the game. He did return as the starter the next week. The rest of the team was more or less silent about what happen, in fact if Shanny had acted like most of the players this may have never become a issue.

Those actions or lack of action, showed the support and confidence the players had in McNabb and let him deal with it. Had it been Grossman or Beck, you're looking at a split locker room. And a lost season (not to be confused with a losing season).

McNabb will more than likely be a pretty good Viking for the next two years, while Ponder learns to be a pro, and the Redskins will roll the dice and see who the can get next year. I doubt they will be bad enough to get Luck and I don't see them trading up to get him if they show any progress from 2010.

1niksder wrote:

The key to McNabb coming back was broken off in a lock it didn't turn.

McNabb will more than likely be a pretty good Viking for the next two years, while Ponder learns to be a pro, and the Redskins will roll the dice and see who the can get next year. I doubt they will be bad enough to get Luck and I don't see them trading up to get him if they show any progress from 2010.

This does seem like a good bet. Joe Webb or Tavaris Jackson mentoring Ponder doesn't sound like a good plan when they are still learning themselves. Throwing a rookie QB into the fire on a team that has a coach going into his first full year and lots of personnel changes is not a good bet. Leslie Frasier was an assistant coach at Philly when McNabb was there, so he knows what McNabb can or cannot do. The only question is, is McNabb a good fit for the type of offense that Bill Musgrave runs. Joe Webb says it is a simpler offense that Childress and Bevell ran.
Musgrave just missed Donovan in Philly from his Philly assistant stint. Musgrave wasn't an assistant under Andy Reid, but he does have an understanding of what Donovan experienced with Philly fans - lots of pressure.

In 1998, he (Musgrave) moved on to the Philadelphia Eagles in the same capacity, and actually wound up calling plays towards the end of that season rather than Philadelphia's offensive coordinator.

He was the quarterbacks coach for the Redskins in 2005, so he got a chance to see plenty of tape on McNabb and see him in the one game he played against the Skins. The Skins won (17-10), but McNabb had a great game and despite playing with a sports hernia and without TO, who had been sent home, McNabb nearly pulled off his 4th quarter heroics against the Skins, but threw an interception to Ryan Clark at the goal line (thought I'd add all that in case some of you wanted to relive that moment). The next game, against Dallas, would be McNabb's last for the season (he had to have surgery which ended his season), so Musgrave did not see him in the last game against Philly, but he did see how a McNabb-less Philly team fell apart without him. Philly finished 6-10. None of this proves Musgrave likes McNabb, but it shows that Musgraves knows McNabb, so either he wants him or he doesn't. I doubt Frasier would force him on Musgrave. He Musgrave wants him, McNabb is going to the Viks. It is all about the contract and compensation.

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/1/19/ ... oordinator

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... r-offense/

Mike Florio:

Redskins will have a hard time trading McNabb

We have been saying that for a long time on this site, but a lot of us said that Shanny would have a hard time finding trading partners to trade down during the draft. If the team that wants McNabb ( a big rumor is Vikings) is the same team McNabb wants to go, it won't be as complicated as Florio Makes it. It would not make sense for any team that sees McNabb as an important piece to the development of their young stud QB to wait until week one to cut McNabb. I suspect that McNabb's agent will be given the permission to seek the trade so that it is to McNabb's liking wherever he goes. If there is more than one suitor and I think there will be more than one, at least showing interest, the restructured contract and the compensation will not be as tough as Florio is making it. I still believe the comp will be a 4th with possibility to upgrade to a third.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ng-mcnabb/

Santana addresses the McNabb benching and Donovan's future with the Redskins.

Moss also addressed Donovan McNabb’s benching in Detroit, praising the quarterback at length but seeming to agree that he wasn’t healthy enough to run the two-minute offense.

“I think it was just Coach Shanahan didn’t mean to make it what it was, what it came to be,” Moss said. “Donovan had had two black-and-blue hamstrings. I’d been watching that for weeks on, because we were both in the training room: I was doing rehab work, and he was getting treated on his hamstrings. And from that standpoint, with our two-minute offense, I think Coach Shanahan was trying to protect him in a sense so we could go down the field and be as sharp as we can be.

“Knowing that Donovan didn’t have a lot of protection that game, probably throughout the whole year, he had to do a lot of running and he probably wouldn’t have been fit for us to get down the field. So he tried to handle it and say let’s change, let’s do something different and put in Rex, which blew up to be something more than what it was. And I just think it was unfortunate.

“Donovan is a great guy, a great football player. I feel like he has a lot left in his tank, and he’s gonna be good. Hopefully for the Redskins, but with that situation, it’s not likely....He’s been a great guy from day one, from the first time he got picked with the Eagles, handling that stuff up in Philly, to now, handling this situation. He showed me a lot of character, because he could have easily blew up and said ‘Man, you guys are embarrassing me, you’re belittling me,’ but he didn’t. He handled it, knowing that hey, it comes with the territory, people are gonna say what they want to say, I’m just gonna go out and be Donovan.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... _blog.html

I still think that McNabb is not going to be here - there's just too much to overcome ...

HOWEVER - I'm with the Kaz on this - until he's not a part of this franchise, he's the best option for now and the longer term


I'm hopeful that McNabb is not only getting back to basics but is also looking to show Kyle & Mike that he wants to be the QB they both want also

Weaknesses of McNabb

McNabb is much more of a classic "playground”-style QB who functions best when he can rely on his play-making ability. He is not a fundamentally sound passer -- he does not plant his back foot and drive into throws on quick-hitting passes. McNabb is much better throwing to a receiver who is stationary on short and intermediate routes, rather than leading on quick-timing routes. He really lacks accuracy as a passer and misses wide-open targets way too often. A windup in his delivery makes him deliberate and allows defenders to easily break on, and break up, his passes. Because he is not a technically sound thrower, McNabb struggles to consistently convert key downs into first downs and touchdowns. While he does not panic and force passes vs. the blitz, McNabb will rush getting rid of the ball on quick-hitting "out” routes. It looks as though they are his hot receivers and there's little accuracy on these throws.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/20 ... pronounced

Rich Tandler asks:

Could Donovan McNabb return to the Redskins?
Posted on July 11, 2011 by Rich Tandler

... Let’s start with the following tweet from Howard Eskin, a host on Philadelphia radio station WIP, AM 610.

As it turns out Donovan Mcnabb may stay with Redskins. Dan Snyder wants him on team. Crazy

I’ve heard of Eskin but I’ve never listened to his show so I’m not sure how credible he is. I did peruse his Twitter timeline for the past couple of months and he didn’t tweet anything that seemed to be out of left field or put out there just to get attention. That does not mean that this is true but it should not be dismissed out of hand.

For the sake of setting up this McNabb returns scenario, let’s say that there is some truth to what Eskin said. Whether or not the Redskins keep McNabb is not up to Dan Snyder; by contract, Mike Shanahan has the final say in all personnel matters. But Snyder certainly can advocate his point of view to Shanahan. Let’s set that aside for a moment and look at McNabb’s end of the situation ...

Snyder has a talk with the elder Shanahan and lays out something similar to what I outlined above. He persuades the coach to have a meeting with McNabb, lay all of the cards out on the table, and tell him he can compete for the starting job. Snyder is a very persuasive individual and Shanahan could look at his options and agree to talk to McNabb.

So Shanahan and McNabb sit down and have a heart to heart talk. Each airs his displeasure with specific things that happened in 2010. Perhaps at some point Kyle is brought in and those two can hash out their differences.

Mcnabb agrees to allow himself to be coached, wear the wristband, take Kyle’s tips and otherwise correct the issues that the team had with him a year ago. Mike and Kyle agree to be more respectful of McNabb when dealing with the media and work to correct the other issues the quarterback had with the team.

Then they go to camp and they see what happens. McNabb has a very powerful incentive to keep up his end of the deal with a $10 million paycheck waiting for him in the second week of September. The Shanahans have every reason to keep McNabb happy and productive since he represents the best chance the team has of having a successful 2011 season....

Again, all of this is just a hypothesis and an unlikely one at that. But desperation can cause some strange things to take place and both McNabb and the Shanahans might look at a second act for the quarterback in Washington as the only way to make the best of a bad situation.

I thought it was an interesting read. The article does raise some interesting questions such as - What if McNabb is still on the roster when the Redskins report on the 28th of July? Does he take snaps or what?

http://realredskins.com/2011/07/could-d ... -redskins/

Red_One43 wrote:Rich Tandler asks:

Could Donovan McNabb return to the Redskins?
Posted on July 11, 2011 by Rich Tandler

... Let’s start with the following tweet from Howard Eskin, a host on Philadelphia radio station WIP, AM 610.

As it turns out Donovan Mcnabb may stay with Redskins. Dan Snyder wants him on team. Crazy

I’ve heard of Eskin but I’ve never listened to his show so I’m not sure how credible he is. I did peruse his Twitter timeline for the past couple of months and he didn’t tweet anything that seemed to be out of left field or put out there just to get attention. That does not mean that this is true but it should not be dismissed out of hand.

For the sake of setting up this McNabb returns scenario, let’s say that there is some truth to what Eskin said. Whether or not the Redskins keep McNabb is not up to Dan Snyder; by contract, Mike Shanahan has the final say in all personnel matters. But Snyder certainly can advocate his point of view to Shanahan. Let’s set that aside for a moment and look at McNabb’s end of the situation ...

Snyder has a talk with the elder Shanahan and lays out something similar to what I outlined above. He persuades the coach to have a meeting with McNabb, lay all of the cards out on the table, and tell him he can compete for the starting job. Snyder is a very persuasive individual and Shanahan could look at his options and agree to talk to McNabb.

So Shanahan and McNabb sit down and have a heart to heart talk. Each airs his displeasure with specific things that happened in 2010. Perhaps at some point Kyle is brought in and those two can hash out their differences.

Mcnabb agrees to allow himself to be coached, wear the wristband, take Kyle’s tips and otherwise correct the issues that the team had with him a year ago. Mike and Kyle agree to be more respectful of McNabb when dealing with the media and work to correct the other issues the quarterback had with the team.

Then they go to camp and they see what happens. McNabb has a very powerful incentive to keep up his end of the deal with a $10 million paycheck waiting for him in the second week of September. The Shanahans have every reason to keep McNabb happy and productive since he represents the best chance the team has of having a successful 2011 season....

Again, all of this is just a hypothesis and an unlikely one at that. But desperation can cause some strange things to take place and both McNabb and the Shanahans might look at a second act for the quarterback in Washington as the only way to make the best of a bad situation.

I thought it was an interesting read. The article does raise some interesting questions such as - What if McNabb is still on the roster when the Redskins report on the 28th of July? Does he take snaps or what?

http://realredskins.com/2011/07/could-d ... -redskins/

his 'hypothesis' is about as likey as us winning the SuperBowl with a perfect season. I don't even see it as plausible.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:Rich Tandler asks:

Could Donovan McNabb return to the Redskins?
Posted on July 11, 2011 by Rich Tandler

... Let’s start with the following tweet from Howard Eskin, a host on Philadelphia radio station WIP, AM 610.

As it turns out Donovan Mcnabb may stay with Redskins. Dan Snyder wants him on team. Crazy

I’ve heard of Eskin but I’ve never listened to his show so I’m not sure how credible he is. I did peruse his Twitter timeline for the past couple of months and he didn’t tweet anything that seemed to be out of left field or put out there just to get attention. That does not mean that this is true but it should not be dismissed out of hand.

For the sake of setting up this McNabb returns scenario, let’s say that there is some truth to what Eskin said. Whether or not the Redskins keep McNabb is not up to Dan Snyder; by contract, Mike Shanahan has the final say in all personnel matters. But Snyder certainly can advocate his point of view to Shanahan. Let’s set that aside for a moment and look at McNabb’s end of the situation ...

Snyder has a talk with the elder Shanahan and lays out something similar to what I outlined above. He persuades the coach to have a meeting with McNabb, lay all of the cards out on the table, and tell him he can compete for the starting job. Snyder is a very persuasive individual and Shanahan could look at his options and agree to talk to McNabb.

So Shanahan and McNabb sit down and have a heart to heart talk. Each airs his displeasure with specific things that happened in 2010. Perhaps at some point Kyle is brought in and those two can hash out their differences.

Mcnabb agrees to allow himself to be coached, wear the wristband, take Kyle’s tips and otherwise correct the issues that the team had with him a year ago. Mike and Kyle agree to be more respectful of McNabb when dealing with the media and work to correct the other issues the quarterback had with the team.

Then they go to camp and they see what happens. McNabb has a very powerful incentive to keep up his end of the deal with a $10 million paycheck waiting for him in the second week of September. The Shanahans have every reason to keep McNabb happy and productive since he represents the best chance the team has of having a successful 2011 season....

Again, all of this is just a hypothesis and an unlikely one at that. But desperation can cause some strange things to take place and both McNabb and the Shanahans might look at a second act for the quarterback in Washington as the only way to make the best of a bad situation.

I thought it was an interesting read. The article does raise some interesting questions such as - What if McNabb is still on the roster when the Redskins report on the 28th of July? Does he take snaps or what?

http://realredskins.com/2011/07/could-d ... -redskins/

his 'hypothesis' is about as likey as us winning the SuperBowl with a perfect season. I don't even see it as plausible.

I'm with Vet on this. Too many egos involved in this, and I don't think that either McNabb or the Shanahans are willing to change in a way that would make the other side happy. Plus it's been too public already with the back and forth between McNabb's agent and the Shanahans.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:Rich Tandler asks:

Could Donovan McNabb return to the Redskins?
Posted on July 11, 2011 by Rich Tandler

... Let’s start with the following tweet from Howard Eskin, a host on Philadelphia radio station WIP, AM 610.

As it turns out Donovan Mcnabb may stay with Redskins. Dan Snyder wants him on team. Crazy

I’ve heard of Eskin but I’ve never listened to his show so I’m not sure how credible he is. I did peruse his Twitter timeline for the past couple of months and he didn’t tweet anything that seemed to be out of left field or put out there just to get attention. That does not mean that this is true but it should not be dismissed out of hand.

For the sake of setting up this McNabb returns scenario, let’s say that there is some truth to what Eskin said. Whether or not the Redskins keep McNabb is not up to Dan Snyder; by contract, Mike Shanahan has the final say in all personnel matters. But Snyder certainly can advocate his point of view to Shanahan. Let’s set that aside for a moment and look at McNabb’s end of the situation ...

Snyder has a talk with the elder Shanahan and lays out something similar to what I outlined above. He persuades the coach to have a meeting with McNabb, lay all of the cards out on the table, and tell him he can compete for the starting job. Snyder is a very persuasive individual and Shanahan could look at his options and agree to talk to McNabb.

So Shanahan and McNabb sit down and have a heart to heart talk. Each airs his displeasure with specific things that happened in 2010. Perhaps at some point Kyle is brought in and those two can hash out their differences.

Mcnabb agrees to allow himself to be coached, wear the wristband, take Kyle’s tips and otherwise correct the issues that the team had with him a year ago. Mike and Kyle agree to be more respectful of McNabb when dealing with the media and work to correct the other issues the quarterback had with the team.

Then they go to camp and they see what happens. McNabb has a very powerful incentive to keep up his end of the deal with a $10 million paycheck waiting for him in the second week of September. The Shanahans have every reason to keep McNabb happy and productive since he represents the best chance the team has of having a successful 2011 season....

Again, all of this is just a hypothesis and an unlikely one at that. But desperation can cause some strange things to take place and both McNabb and the Shanahans might look at a second act for the quarterback in Washington as the only way to make the best of a bad situation.

I thought it was an interesting read. The article does raise some interesting questions such as - What if McNabb is still on the roster when the Redskins report on the 28th of July? Does he take snaps or what?

http://realredskins.com/2011/07/could-d ... -redskins/

his 'hypothesis' is about as likey as us winning the SuperBowl with a perfect season. I don't even see it as plausible.

I'm with Vet on this. Too many egos involved in this, and I don't think that either McNabb or the Shanahans are willing to change in a way that would make the other side happy. Plus it's been too public already with the back and forth between McNabb's agent and the Shanahans.

I agree with both of you on this one. I believe that Shanny already has an idea to whom they will trade McNabb.

Red_One43 wrote:I agree with both of you on this one. I believe that Shanny already has an idea to whom they will trade McNabb.

+1

Red_One43 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:Rich Tandler asks:

Could Donovan McNabb return to the Redskins?
Posted on July 11, 2011 by Rich Tandler

... Let’s start with the following tweet from Howard Eskin, a host on Philadelphia radio station WIP, AM 610.

As it turns out Donovan Mcnabb may stay with Redskins. Dan Snyder wants him on team. Crazy

I’ve heard of Eskin but I’ve never listened to his show so I’m not sure how credible he is. I did peruse his Twitter timeline for the past couple of months and he didn’t tweet anything that seemed to be out of left field or put out there just to get attention. That does not mean that this is true but it should not be dismissed out of hand.

For the sake of setting up this McNabb returns scenario, let’s say that there is some truth to what Eskin said. Whether or not the Redskins keep McNabb is not up to Dan Snyder; by contract, Mike Shanahan has the final say in all personnel matters. But Snyder certainly can advocate his point of view to Shanahan. Let’s set that aside for a moment and look at McNabb’s end of the situation ...

Snyder has a talk with the elder Shanahan and lays out something similar to what I outlined above. He persuades the coach to have a meeting with McNabb, lay all of the cards out on the table, and tell him he can compete for the starting job. Snyder is a very persuasive individual and Shanahan could look at his options and agree to talk to McNabb.

So Shanahan and McNabb sit down and have a heart to heart talk. Each airs his displeasure with specific things that happened in 2010. Perhaps at some point Kyle is brought in and those two can hash out their differences.

Mcnabb agrees to allow himself to be coached, wear the wristband, take Kyle’s tips and otherwise correct the issues that the team had with him a year ago. Mike and Kyle agree to be more respectful of McNabb when dealing with the media and work to correct the other issues the quarterback had with the team.

Then they go to camp and they see what happens. McNabb has a very powerful incentive to keep up his end of the deal with a $10 million paycheck waiting for him in the second week of September. The Shanahans have every reason to keep McNabb happy and productive since he represents the best chance the team has of having a successful 2011 season....

Again, all of this is just a hypothesis and an unlikely one at that. But desperation can cause some strange things to take place and both McNabb and the Shanahans might look at a second act for the quarterback in Washington as the only way to make the best of a bad situation.

I thought it was an interesting read. The article does raise some interesting questions such as - What if McNabb is still on the roster when the Redskins report on the 28th of July? Does he take snaps or what?

http://realredskins.com/2011/07/could-d ... -redskins/

his 'hypothesis' is about as likey as us winning the SuperBowl with a perfect season. I don't even see it as plausible.

I'm with Vet on this. Too many egos involved in this, and I don't think that either McNabb or the Shanahans are willing to change in a way that would make the other side happy. Plus it's been too public already with the back and forth between McNabb's agent and the Shanahans.

I agree with both of you on this one. I believe that Shanny already has an idea to whom they will trade McNabb.

Most likely. In all reality the only two realistic trade partners are Minnesota and Arizona. Not sure there are any other teams out there that would consider signing him, let alone trading for him, unless he was willing to be a backup.

Most likely. In all reality the only two realistic trade partners are Minnesota and Arizona. Not sure there are any other teams out there that would consider signing him, let alone trading for him, unless he was willing to be a backup.

Maybe TN.

Mike Jones, Post Insider - 7/14/11

Where’s the best fit for McNabb?

Minnesota still would seem to be the most logical answer. People familiar with the situation have long maintained the Vikings have interest. Brad Childress is gone, but Minnesota still sports a West Coast offense very similar to the one McNabb ran in Philadelphia. That might be the easiest transition for No. 5, who would have Christian Ponder picking his brain and watching his movements while trying to learn the NFL.

Carolina has been mentioned because the Panthers don’t have a veteran to groom Cam Newton. Like McNabb, Newton is athletic and has a big arm. Newton is bigger than McNabb, but still could learn a lot from him.

McNabb might not be able to pick where he goes, but the Panthers likely wouldn’t be as attractive as the Vikings. Carolina has a new coach and is very much in the rebuilding stages. Given that McNabb will turn 35 during the season, he’d probably rather go to a team that’s more in a win-now mode. Minnesota faltered last year, but still has enough talent to rebound quickly.

Tennessee also has been mentioned recently as a team that could be a good fit for McNabb. New Titans coach Mike Munchak said this week that the Titans plan to add a veteran quarterback who “can come in and win.” The Titans run a variation of the West Coast offense (the Redskins supposedly do as well, but McNabb took a handful of snaps in it during last year’s OTAs and said, “This ain’t no West Coast offense.”)

But even if the system is rather foreign to McNabb, he is likely motivated to dispel the notion that he’s not smart enough to learn a new one. Again, he’d have to be a mentor. The Titans drafted Jake Locker, whose scouting report sounds very similar to McNabb’s: great athleticism, strong arm (but not the most accurate).

Those three appear to be the favorites to pursue McNabb because he can help them for a year or two before the franchise-QB-in-training takes over. Obviously teams have drafted quarterbacks with the plan of turning the offense over to them quickly, and the veteran keeps playing well, delaying the QB-in-waiting’s debut. But Newton and Locker were both taken in the top 10. They won’t likely be stashed on the bench for long.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... m=referral

CanesSkins26 wrote:Most likely. In all reality the only two realistic trade partners are Minnesota and Arizona. Not sure there are any other teams out there that would consider signing him, let alone trading for him, unless he was willing to be a backup.

You guys believe your own McNabb bashing too much. If we can't trade him it's because of the contract, not because no one but a couple teams would let him compete to start. We're not getting back what we paid for him either. But If we cut him, he'll have a lot of choices.

yupchagee wrote:

Most likely. In all reality the only two realistic trade partners are Minnesota and Arizona. Not sure there are any other teams out there that would consider signing him, let alone trading for him, unless he was willing to be a backup.

Maybe TN.

True. But they did just draft Locker and there has been a lot out there about them being interested in bringing in Hasselbeck.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Most likely. In all reality the only two realistic trade partners are Minnesota and Arizona. Not sure there are any other teams out there that would consider signing him, let alone trading for him, unless he was willing to be a backup.

You guys believe your own McNabb bashing too much. If we can't trade him it's because of the contract, not because no one but a couple teams would let him compete to start. We're not getting back what we paid for him either. But If we cut him, he'll have a lot of choices.

If you look around the NFL there just aren't that many teams that have needs for a qb right now. Minnesota and Arizona are the two that stand out. You could maybe add Miami to that last, but they appear pretty committed to giving Henne one final shot. Maybe the 49ers.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Most likely. In all reality the only two realistic trade partners are Minnesota and Arizona. Not sure there are any other teams out there that would consider signing him, let alone trading for him, unless he was willing to be a backup.

You guys believe your own McNabb bashing too much. If we can't trade him it's because of the contract, not because no one but a couple teams would let him compete to start. We're not getting back what we paid for him either. But If we cut him, he'll have a lot of choices.

If you look around the NFL there just aren't that many teams that have needs for a qb right now. Minnesota and Arizona are the two that stand out. You could maybe add Miami to that last, but they appear pretty committed to giving Henne one final shot. Maybe the 49ers.

You might toss in Cincy when they realize that Palmer isn't coming back.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

Most likely. In all reality the only two realistic trade partners are Minnesota and Arizona. Not sure there are any other teams out there that would consider signing him, let alone trading for him, unless he was willing to be a backup.

Maybe TN.

True. But they did just draft Locker and there has been a lot out there about them being interested in bringing in Hasselbeck.

I'm figuting that they want an experienced QB around. Hasselbeck is certainly a possibility for that role.

Red_One43 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Most likely. In all reality the only two realistic trade partners are Minnesota and Arizona. Not sure there are any other teams out there that would consider signing him, let alone trading for him, unless he was willing to be a backup.

You guys believe your own McNabb bashing too much. If we can't trade him it's because of the contract, not because no one but a couple teams would let him compete to start. We're not getting back what we paid for him either. But If we cut him, he'll have a lot of choices.

If you look around the NFL there just aren't that many teams that have needs for a qb right now. Minnesota and Arizona are the two that stand out. You could maybe add Miami to that last, but they appear pretty committed to giving Henne one final shot. Maybe the 49ers.

You might toss in Cincy when they realize that Palmer isn't coming back.

The Bengals are installing a new west coast offense, not sure that McNabb fits there. Plus they have Andy Dalton and are likely going into rebuilding mode if they trade Palmer and dump Ocho Cinco. I doubt McNabb agrees to a trade to go there either.