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Redskin in Canada wrote:

Countertrey wrote:This could be structured in a manner to minimize the team's exposure... This would be Young's best opportunity for playing time. If he want's it, he accepts a tightly structured contract, with both incentive and penalties... if not... see ya!

I'm not advocating this. But, I won't blow up if it does.

Mmmmm ...

How will he pay back the damage made to the Team with his tantrums and unprofessional attitude??? Not making more money? Taking a roster spot away? Taking an opportunity away from a younger prospect or a more experienced QB?

Just say NO to VY.

Termination of the contract, for one, plus lesser consequences. Minimum money up front. Backloaded incentives. Multiple escapes for the team. Temper tantrums cost cash. I'm sure the deal made with Mike Vick would be similar... there is precedent.

It's really moot, though... he won't be coming, and frankly, I have no investment either way... though, as I have said, the guy is a douche, and doesn't DESERVE spit.

I would not give it that much credence. I can't see Mike Shanahan taking on another Haynesworth type personality.

It would take him a couple years to learn this playbook based on how long it takes everyone else combined with his wonderlic score.

Im not convinced that Shanahan wouldnt take on Vince Young.. if you look at his history with QBs he likes a mobile QB and has been willing to take on projects before like for instance Jake Plummer... Now I know Jake didnt come with the leadership issues and everything else that troubles Young off the field but alot of coaches feel that they can fix that and we all know the EGO that Shanahan has

If you look at Jake Plummers numbers and career track record before he joined the Broncos you would all be calling for Mikes head for even bringing him in and he turned him into a pro bowl caliber QB that led his team into the playoffs..

You can argue that Vince Young has alot more talent than Jake ever did although he is clearly not all there mentally at this point in his career but again many coaches are willing to overlook that when it comes to pure talent..

Lastly you have to figure in the Danny .. I know he has taken a back seat and is letting Bruce and Mike run the show but you would have to be naive to think that he doesnt still have a say in what and who we bring in and if he becomes enamored with Vince Young you better believe he will be pushing for him

GoSkins wrote:Is Young a Shanny type player? No.

Once again we imbue Shanny with a special mystique and suggest all the players Shanny used last year were hard-nosed winners, which we know, of course, can't be true. Actually, Shanny had the worse pack of losers in the division, including Haynesworth and others who couldn't, or wouldn't, do their jobs. Reminder: we had the worse D in the NFL and probably the worse OL.

One report claimed Shanahan was smitten enough with Blaine Gabbert to move up. Washington doesn't have a third- or fourth-round pick, so they'd likely have to surrender the rest of their draft in such a move. Frankly, there's next to no chance it happens. The Skins do have the No. 10 and 41 overall picks. Ideally, they'll emerge with a quarterback and a defensive starter or receiver for the rookie signal caller to throw to.

http://rotoworld.com/teams/related/nfl/ ... n-redskins

So much for reports! There is no way that Shanahan signs Vince Young even if he is released. To spend all that effort to draft high motor, coachable guys then get a head case for your leadership position - it doesn't fly.

Countertrey wrote:It's really moot, though... he won't be coming, and frankly, I have no investment either way... though, as I have said, the guy is a douche, and doesn't DESERVE spit.

Agreed, it won't happen and the guy is who you say he is.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

GoSkins wrote:Is Young a Shanny type player? No.

Once again we imbue Shanny with a special mystique and suggest all the players Shanny used last year were hard-nosed winners, which we know, of course, can't be true. Actually, Shanny had the worse pack of losers in the division, including Haynesworth and others who couldn't, or wouldn't, do their jobs. Reminder: we had the worse D in the NFL and probably the worse OL.

Which of those guys that Shanny brought in or drafted were problem children (short of McNabb, who wasn't even a problem TBH, but I don't want to derail). To use the guys he inherited and claim that he brought them in is an out and out fallacy. You're better than that... or maybe you're not...

Redskin in Canada wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:We're in a desperate situation.

I disagree. We are REBUILDING.

Most "desperate fixes" tend to bring us further down.

Exactly

crazyhorse1 wrote:

GoSkins wrote:Is Young a Shanny type player? No.

Once again we imbue Shanny with a special mystique and suggest all the players Shanny used last year were hard-nosed winners, which we know, of course, can't be true. Actually, Shanny had the worse pack of losers in the division, including Haynesworth and others who couldn't, or wouldn't, do their jobs. Reminder: we had the worse D in the NFL and probably the worse OL.

It's interesting that you pick a guy that Shannahan didn't sign, didn't want and suspended to show that he could in fact sign Young

Mike's confidence as a coach slip over to arrogance from time to time.

The question is about it happening.
Yep. I think Mike feels he can coach anybody regardless of baggage.
Reference Albert Haynesworth.
Who didn't know that situation wasn't coming. But Mike charged ahead with it.

Vince the Redskin is believable

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

GoSkins wrote:Is Young a Shanny type player? No.

Once again we imbue Shanny with a special mystique and suggest all the players Shanny used last year were hard-nosed winners, which we know, of course, can't be true. Actually, Shanny had the worse pack of losers in the division, including Haynesworth and others who couldn't, or wouldn't, do their jobs. Reminder: we had the worse D in the NFL and probably the worse OL.

It's interesting that you pick a guy that Shannahan didn't sign, didn't want and suspended to show that he could in fact sign Young

And a player who CH thought was a great asset to the team.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

GoSkins wrote:Is Young a Shanny type player? No.

Once again we imbue Shanny with a special mystique and suggest all the players Shanny used last year were hard-nosed winners, which we know, of course, can't be true. Actually, Shanny had the worse pack of losers in the division, including Haynesworth and others who couldn't, or wouldn't, do their jobs. Reminder: we had the worse D in the NFL and probably the worse OL.

It's interesting that you pick a guy that Shannahan didn't sign, didn't want and suspended to show that he could in fact sign Young

And CH was a big backer of Lardo

KCskin wrote:The question is about it happening.
Yep. I think Mike feels he can coach anybody regardless of baggage.
Reference Albert Haynesworth.
Who didn't know that situation wasn't coming. But Mike charged ahead with it.

What was he supposed to do? Not coach Haynesworth?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:It's interesting that you pick a guy that Shannahan didn't sign, didn't want and suspended to show that he could in fact sign Young

I really DO NOT think Kyle (OR Mike) is interested in bringing in Young for ANY reason

We have McNabb and while I think he's gone. we can get by with Beck

I'd think that Kyle will either bring in a FA or go with Grossman


I do not ascribe to the 'Suck and Luck' club - I doubt our record will be that bad EVEN based on our current QB situation

somehow these guys will figure out how to make the offense work here

Irn-Bru wrote:

KCskin wrote:The question is about it happening.
Yep. I think Mike feels he can coach anybody regardless of baggage.
Reference Albert Haynesworth.
Who didn't know that situation wasn't coming. But Mike charged ahead with it.

What was he supposed to do? Not coach Haynesworth?

+1

Shanahan has not shied away from signing guys with questionable character in the past, so the idea of him signing Vince Young, despite his baggage, is not far fetched. Shanahan drafted Maurice Claurett in the third round and signed Larry Johnson last offseason, and both of those guys have more greater character issues than Young.

It IS absolutely possible that Young will be coming to DC - I just don't think there's a good possibility that he'll be playing for the Redskins

CanesSkins26 wrote:Shanahan has not shied away from signing guys with questionable character in the past, so the idea of him signing Vince Young, despite his baggage, is not far fetched. Shanahan drafted Maurice Claurett in the third round and signed Larry Johnson last offseason, and both of those guys have more greater character issues than Young.

Larry Johnson was brought in with a snowball's chance to make it, there was zero gamble. I don't think that's the same sitaution as bringing in Young. He's going to want money.

I agree Vet - different scenario - while I know it's possible, I just don't see it

AND - to post that we're "the front runner" for Vince Young is just not the case is all

VetSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Shanahan has not shied away from signing guys with questionable character in the past, so the idea of him signing Vince Young, despite his baggage, is not far fetched. Shanahan drafted Maurice Claurett in the third round and signed Larry Johnson last offseason, and both of those guys have more greater character issues than Young.

Larry Johnson was brought in with a snowball's chance to make it, there was zero gamble. I don't think that's the same sitaution as bringing in Young. He's going to want money.

And? Young has a pretty pathetic hand, at the moment. His name is trash. He in not in a position to demand much. He is in a similar situation to the one Mike Vick found himself in... take a deal with lots of contingencies, escape options for the team, and cash incentives for Young... and prove he's not just a walking temper tantrum...

If Shanahan/Allen are considering him, they will get to set the terms... not Young... if Vince doesn't like it, he can go find another team... but, unless he's dealing with a GM who is an idiot, he's going to find the same thing pretty much wherever he goes... Cerrato isn't in the business any more.

The risks are actually pretty low, with the primary expense being to other possible Quarterback options... the contract gets structured in a way that, if the player misbehaves, he's gone, with minimal cost.

But, even with Shanahan's propensity for taking on players with behavioral issues, I still don't see it. I think they are going to focus on the foundation this year. I don't see Young in the picture. He would be a distraction from the work that needs to happen.

I think as Redskins fans we expect a big name to come in and throw. It is not our fault, we have been used to this circus offseason behavior for a long time now. If we are truly rebuilding then I am ok with Rex or Beck starting.

The main issue I have with Young is that he is in no way a mentor. He has his own style. Hasselbeck and Bulger are good examples of mentors. They study the game and I think would be better options as long as they are ok with taking a back seat.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Shanahan has not shied away from signing guys with questionable character in the past, so the idea of him signing Vince Young, despite his baggage, is not far fetched. Shanahan drafted Maurice Claurett in the third round and signed Larry Johnson last offseason, and both of those guys have more greater character issues than Young.

Larry Johnson was brought in with a snowball's chance to make it, there was zero gamble. I don't think that's the same sitaution as bringing in Young. He's going to want money.

I disagree. Like CT pointed out, Young's reputation is awful right now, and no team is going to offer him anything beyond an incentive-laden deal. I think the situation is actually very comparable to Larry Johnson in that regard. Do I want Young on the Skins? No, I think he's a garbage player. I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if Shanahan made that move.

Countertrey wrote:But, even with Shanahan's propensity for taking on players with behavioral issues, I still don't see it. I think they are going to focus on the foundation this year. I don't see Young in the picture. He would be a distraction from the work that needs to happen.

This is the bottom line why we really shouldn't do it. We may be able to do it with "zero" contract risk. We may even be able to do it without him directly harming the team, but still he's a distraction who needs psychiatric help. I don't mean that in an insult way, I mean that in an I hope he's getting it way. But the NFL isn't the place to be for him now. He's lost it too many times, he's not going to find any sudden solutions to that.