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Smithian wrote:I don't want McNabb acting moody as our starting QB and dealing with drama every time anything bad happens

Red_One43 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I'm still pulling for us to return to McNabb and will continue until we don't have him or we have an actual better option.

"Donovan will never take another snap for me again," so said Kyle. I don't think DMac's agent made that up. We know Mike said, “Donovan McNabb would be welcomed back next year as a backup.” Are you sure you want to Keep Hope Alive!

Skinsfan55 wrote:The Rumor Mill is churning and the word is, we might trade Albert Haynesworth for Kyle Orton. That's definitely the best we could do, and the best actual player Denver could get for Orton. The Broncos could still try and trade him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick, but with Haynesworth they know they would get an elite DT in a 4-3...

Worth looking at.

Smithian wrote:From all the stuff swirling from Redskins camp about the QB situation here is what I think happened; they told themselves there were 5 or 6 good QBs. They could afford to be picky. They traded back a couple times thinking, "We'll get our guy next time", and eventually realized they missed out on every QB from Gabbert to Mallett to Ricky Stanzi.

We crapped the bed.

1niksder wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I'm still pulling for us to return to McNabb and will continue until we don't have him or we have an actual better option.

"Donovan will never take another snap for me again," so said Kyle. I don't think DMac's agent made that up. We know Mike said, “Donovan McNabb would be welcomed back next year as a backup.” Are you sure you want to Keep Hope Alive!

It could happen...

“Things would obviously have to change. Relationships would have to be better. Conversations would have to be better.”

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I'm still pulling for us to return to McNabb and will continue until we don't have him or we have an actual better option.

"Donovan will never take another snap for me again," so said Kyle. I don't think DMac's agent made that up. We know Mike said, “Donovan McNabb would be welcomed back next year as a backup.” Are you sure you want to Keep Hope Alive!

His agent said that so we can accept it as fact, that's just too funny. Oh, and the check's in the mail...

“I support my agent and his thoughts,” McNabb said on ESPN 980, per the Washington Post. “When I read the whole thing, I didn’t see nothing wrong with it.”

funbuncher wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Countertrey wrote:It's becoming clear that Shanahan doesn't feel a powerful need to address the quarterback situation via this draft. I have to imagine that he is confident that a quarterback, either currently with the team, or that will be available by trade or FA, will be running this team this year... It's also increasingly apparent that he is taking a long term view of building the team... We are likely to see only modest improvements in team performance this year, as he continues to build a foundation for the future. Many here have opined that we won't see real gains until the 2012 season... that may be. But, a price must be paid for 2 decades of short term building, and knee jerk player management. There's light at the end of the tunnel, now...

The question is, how well has this front office done in evaluating the talent they are collecting? That answer won't be available in any post draft report card that comes out tomorrow or Monday... we'll just have to wait.

Regardless... Shanahan and Allen came into this draft with a plan... and, it's clear that they have followed it. How refreshing to see.

Good analysis which reflect my views exactly.

I could have put money that Shanny was going to pick a QB in the Draft. How wrong I was. He has priorities and a plan. He was disciplined not to take one at a higher cost to other weak positions.

You guys are high. Yes it was so "refreshing" to see us repeatedly ignore a need we have at the most important position on the field. Much better to end up with way more wr's and rb's than we could ever possibly carry on a 53 man roster. Glad you're all so confident in their "plan". Last year's gay plan to give our draft picks to our rival for their notoriously inaccurate qb has really instilled a lot of confidence in me. Transforming our top d into one of the last ranked units by switching to a system we didnt have the personnel for was pretty sweet too. Loved how we wasted Andre Carter who the year before had double digit sacks, but had struggled mightily the last time he was forced to play standing up. That was pretty cool how we weren't able to coach that other guy to play nose tackle or any position, you know that one we had 100 million invested in.

Ryan Mallett apparently is so worthless that we passed on him 4 times. Not worth the risk I guess, when it will cut into the number of wr's we can draft. Apparently our o-line is not in need of too much help either. Casey Rabach probably got better in the off-season. At least we got another safety, too bad we couldn't squeeze out another TE too.

Before hhis draft I heard at least 6 different reports that this draft was top heavy, and that there was a serious drop-off in quality after about the first 50 picks. So what do we do but start trading back at 49 like we've strangely never been able to before. Suddenly this year there was always a taker to move up. Coincidence I guess, or my bad, I forgot the topic of this thread for a moment, it was due to the masterful planning efforts of shrewd and shrewderer. John Beck rules.

Ok that was a bit harsh, but most of it was true. If Vinny had presided over this embarrassingly bad last year and draft you'd be pulling your hair out right now, but instead it feels so good to have a plan in place. A plan to empower a division rival and ignore our needs at O-line and QB. You even went as far as giving a free pass to suck in 2012 as well, because hey, not even genius 1 and 2 could be expected to clean up the previous decades mess that fast. Then why is he getting 8 gazillion per? Shouldn't we maybe hold off on that til we get to .500 or something?

funbuncher wrote:If we can re-sign Grossman, that will be the top move of our off-season. I say that only half in jest, as I really do like the guy. Would love to see him get a chance to shut all the experts mouths. That's how you get respect as an organization, win with guys that others couldn't win with. Have a system that breeds success and adapt it to your players strengths when necessary. Don't go sign Troy Aikman to throw the bally for us and Emmit Smith to run it. We don't have green uniforms with wings on the helmet. We don't need any of their players, especially not the over-rated face of their franchise.

funbuncher wrote:No I obviously still can't let that go. It was so gay. As bad or worse than when we signed Deion.

funbuncher wrote:The free agent ex-49er Troy Smith can play ball and would fit our scheme. I've seen him have some really good stretches, and some really bad. Kind of like Rex.

Red_One43 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Red_One43 wrote: "Donovan will never take another snap for me again," so said Kyle. I don't think DMac's agent made that up. We know Mike said, “Donovan McNabb would be welcomed back next year as a backup.” Are you sure you want to Keep Hope Alive!

His agent said that so we can accept it as fact, that's just too funny. Oh, and the check's in the mail...

“I support my agent and his thoughts,” McNabb said on ESPN 980, per the Washington Post. “When I read the whole thing, I didn’t see nothing wrong with it.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... statement/

Red_One43 wrote:Concerning Donovan as our QB for 2011. I would love to see that happen, but a lot of things were said that indicate that there are some deep issues dividing the Shanahans and Donovan. If it was just about personalities then they could all sit down together, the Shanahans, Donovan and his agent, and have a Kumbaya moment; however, there are professional issues here - footwork, work ethic (this is not to say Donovan's is poor, but just not what Mike expects of his QB), and improvising on the plays called. Mike and Kyle demand precison for their offense. That is not McNabb's style. The Shanahans are immovable objects on this issue. The Detroit coaching decision and the statements made following it are indicators of just how frustrated they were with McNabb. McNabb simply is not a fit here. Just like we saw Mike do "magic" with the draft and turn 8 draft choices into 13 draft choices, he will find a way to move Donovan to another team and I believe that his plan has already been worked out. When Mike said that Donovan would be welcomed back as a back up, that was an indication that he was ready to move on. Donovan does not deserve to be a back up. In the right system with a coach willing to make adjustments to his style, Donovan will once again play at a Pro Bowl level. We say it in the Houston game. Don't forget Galloway was a finger tip away from catching a game clinching bomb form McNabb. Yes, he will always throw balls in the dirt - that is McNabb being McNabb, but that never stopped him from being an star QB. I wish him well.

Smithian wrote:From all the stuff swirling from Redskins camp about the QB situation here is what I think happened; they told themselves there were 5 or 6 good QBs. They could afford to be picky. They traded back a couple times thinking, "We'll get our guy next time", and eventually realized they missed out on every QB from Gabbert to Mallett to Ricky Stanzi.

We crapped the bed.

Red_One43 wrote:To me a QB was not drafted because, Mike saw Beck as his QB in waiting last year. He sat for a year, like a rookie usually does, and now it is his time to try to win the job. It is his to take. Grossman, seemed to prove that he is a capable back up, so he will be offered a contract. An undrafted rookie will be brought into camp as is will all teams. I can also see Mike signing a vet like Bulger - much like his rational in signings of fast Willie Parker and Larry Johnson.

I don't believe that Mike sees Beck as his QB of the future. I think that Mike is scheming right now on how to get enough ammo to make a run on Luck next year.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:To me a QB was not drafted because, Mike saw Beck as his QB in waiting last year. He sat for a year, like a rookie usually does, and now it is his time to try to win the job. It is his to take. Grossman, seemed to prove that he is a capable back up, so he will be offered a contract. An undrafted rookie will be brought into camp as is will all teams. I can also see Mike signing a vet like Bulger - much like his rational in signings of fast Willie Parker and Larry Johnson.

I don't believe that Mike sees Beck as his QB of the future. I think that Mike is scheming right now on how to get enough ammo to make a run on Luck next year.

Why can't the coaches just have thought the guys available were all toss ups and they couldn't pass on players they actually liked at other positions over a roll of the dice on guys likely to be no better then the guys we have? It's not always complicated you know.

Red_One43 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:To me a QB was not drafted because, Mike saw Beck as his QB in waiting last year. He sat for a year, like a rookie usually does, and now it is his time to try to win the job. It is his to take. Grossman, seemed to prove that he is a capable back up, so he will be offered a contract. An undrafted rookie will be brought into camp as is will all teams. I can also see Mike signing a vet like Bulger - much like his rational in signings of fast Willie Parker and Larry Johnson.

I don't believe that Mike sees Beck as his QB of the future. I think that Mike is scheming right now on how to get enough ammo to make a run on Luck next year.

Why can't the coaches just have thought the guys available were all toss ups and they couldn't pass on players they actually liked at other positions over a roll of the dice on guys likely to be no better then the guys we have? It's not always complicated you know.

Why can't the coaches have just went into the draft decided that they weren't going to draft a QB? That way the coaches could entertain all offers of teams wanting to move up and acquire lots of draft choices. It just can't get any simplier than that.