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1niksder wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

And I think Ramsey edges out Campbell in terms of how badly he flopped, all things considered.

I would actually go the other way. Campbell had better coaches, a better oline, better rb's, better wide receivers, and better tight ends than Ramsey. To me, Campbell is a bigger flop than Campbell.

You just don't like Campbell But you do make a good point.

The real question is... What cha gonna do when Shanny drafts Ponder

Hahaha. I just re-read my post. Oops

I'm really torn on Ponder. I hate most things FSU, but have respected Ponder and been impressed with him the times that I've watched him play. However, I have several friends that are diehard FSU fans, and when I've asked them about Ponder all three have been adamant that he wont be successful in the NFL and all three gave the same reasons...doesn't make big plays and never really made those around him better at FSU. Now I don't really know what to think about Ponder.

I actually think all that sitting stunted his growth. It occurs to me that you learn by doing, especially in athletics. Holding a clipboard and running the scout team for a year and a half seems detrimental to development. Football moves quickly, decisions need to be made fast at QB... how do you best prepare for that? Get in the lineup and take your lumps or sit on the bench for a year and a half, losing the feel for game speed?

I think if JC had started right away, or gone to an organization that didn't have their heads up their collective rear ends like the Redskins he would be much more successful.

Totally agree. I can't think of another sport where a rookie spends so much time learning the job he must do.

I'm all for throwing noobs in the fire, just like pretty much everyone learns how to perform under pressure.

All in all, it's clear we have sucked for the most part when drafting.

I'm glad we trade all our picks for bad free agents because we suck at drafting!

Personally I think suggesting Campbell is ludicrous. He didn't turn into the player everybody hoped for, but he is a starter in this league, where many picks have not even sniffed the field. Even though he's a backup now, I wouldn't go with Ramsey either. Granted they are both first round picks, but they were late first round picks and there have been many early seconds, i.e. Devin Thomas, who are absolutely horrible. Actually, as someone said earlier, it has to be Rod Gardner because he was pretty horrible and he was taken in the early to mid first i believe.

If the title was most disappointing pick, then Campbell would enter the discussion. Especially with the whole trading up thing and just missing out on Aaron Rodgers.

There were also some epically stupid later round picks that can't win because they are late round picks, but man they were stupid. Guys like Dallas Sartz and Cody Glenn come to mind. There are many more. Guys that would have gone undrafted had they not taken them in like the 4th and 5th rounds.

CanesSkins wrote:

1niksder wrote:The real question is ... What cha gonna do when Shanny drafts Ponder

I'm really torn on Ponder. I hate most things FSU, but have respected Ponder and been impressed with him the times that I've watched him play. However, I have several friends that are diehard FSU fans, and when I've asked them about Ponder all three have been adamant that he wont be successful in the NFL and all three gave the same reasons...doesn't make big plays and never really made those around him better at FSU. Now I don't really know what to think about Ponder.

I heard an interesting thing from Pat Kirwan the other day - He felt that Ponder never really had great weapons around him at FSU - he thinks that Ponder will be a good NFL QB

Good QBs should make the players around them better but ...

Californiaskin wrote:I'm glad we trade all our picks for bad free agents because we suck at drafting!

I think you might want to let these guys have a little more time

This FO has only had 1 draft and took over a group that went 4-12 - we were not that bad at the end of the season and I look for more progress after this draft and this season


I don't think it's fair to qualify this FO as being that bad at drafting players until they've had a couple of drafts and had some time here

Well they don't have to draft for need this year, because they probably have two drafts to address need positions before any games are actually played.

brad7686 wrote:Well they don't have to draft for need this year, because they probably have two drafts to address need positions before any games are actually played.

Well said!

brad7686 wrote:Well they don't have to draft for need this year, because they probably have two drafts to address need positions before any games are actually played.

The idea of EVER drafting for anything other than NEED is absolutely ludicrous in my mind. In the First Round if there is not a quality player, worthy of the pick, and capable of coming in and being an IMMEDIATE, IMPACT STARTER, either trade down or just pass. It's that simple. I'd rather have NO First Round Pick than a BAD First Round Pick.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Well they don't have to draft for need this year, because they probably have two drafts to address need positions before any games are actually played.

The idea of EVER drafting for anything other than NEED is absolutely ludicrous in my mind. In the First Round if there is not a quality player, worthy of the pick, and capable of coming in and being an IMMEDIATE, IMPACT STARTER, either trade down or just pass. It's that simple. I'd rather have NO First Round Pick than a BAD First Round Pick.

The round won't end until ALL 32 picks are made.

So you would forgo the system in place that has you slotted based on the previous years performance, (ie you're previous decision didn't pan out so you pick before those that faired better) and make the 10th selection at #32?

I won't called this post stupid, or that it is lacking common thought, or that it could only come from a fully bloomed idiot... as the poster has a track record and stating this would only be redundant.

I will say I've been on this site long enough to know that most of the posters have learned to ignore such non-sense and and had learned that it's all this poster has to offer.

Members like this need to be ignored, but not belittled. "The Danny" is the blame for this.

"the Danny" has done this to many a Redskins fan, most have figured out how to deal with it but for the brainless few that are still out there... it's better to ignore them and hope they get help.

Then again if you ever think you were dealt a bad hand you can always find one of these post, read it, and be thankful that at least you have common sense.

FTR- If you failed to select your pick and dropped to the end of the round, the NFL would do the same thing to your team that MLB did to the Dodgers last night. If you were just running the team... You'd be unemployed by the start of round two, you' d still would have to make a pick. That pick would be your first round pick.

1niksder wrote:The round won't end until ALL 32 picks are made.

So you would forgo the system in place that has you slotted based on the previous years performance, (ie you're previous decision didn't pan out so you pick before those that faired better) and make the 10th selection at #32?

I was not aware of any REQUIREMENT for a team to make a selection. I know the Vikings ended up sliding back a couple picks a few years ago because they didn't get their decision made/card in on time. The teams below them were able to hustle their cards to the podium and get their picks made before the Vikings got their act in gear. I was under the understanding that other teams simply continued to pick once your clock expired and you made your pick if/when you chose to.

1niksder wrote:FTR- If you failed to select your pick and dropped to the end of the round, the NFL would do the same thing to your team that MLB did to the Dodgers last night. If you were just running the team... You'd be unemployed by the start of round two, you' d still would have to make a pick. That pick would be your first round pick.

In that case, I'd trade the pick away for a bag of footballs, or the last pick in the draft, or other suitably worthless compensation. Either that or select some kid that nobody's ever heard of and announce that I have no intention of ever offering him a contract, nevermind actually signing him.

Honestly, if you are going to pick a worst WR draft pick since 2000, Rod Gardner is pretty a bad one too. Thomas, though is probably the worst of the group. What I find hilarious about the 2008 draft is that the skins took 2 WRs in that round and they missed on DeSean Jackson, Eddie Royal, and Jordy Nelson.

In terms of QB, I think that Campbell was a worse pick than Ramsey. JC had so many more chances yet still just couldn't cut it. I don't even want to know what would have happened to JC had he been in Ramseys' shoes.

What a cheerful thread !!!

It must be the offseason, or the lock out, or the new judge order, or the appeal by the NFL, or ...

... the fact that the Redskins organization has not had a SINGLE good Draft as a whole since Lavar arrington and Chris Samuels were picked (maybe by accident as it turns out). Sure, there have been good individual picks through the years but even in those cases, they are INDIVIDUAL picks in an ENTIRE Draft!

It is impossible to build a Team via Free Agency alone and even that has been more of an embarrassment than anything else. Please do not make me recount in detail the long list of expensive FA failures since Snyder got here.

This is an important Draft as far as I am concerned. I was patient last year and I understand that this FO needs time BUT ... out of last year's Draft ONLY Trent Williams worked out. NOBODY else did. That is a failure. I will watch carefully what happens in this Draft before I make up my mind about this FO.

This is an important Draft because we need not only a single good player. We have REAL multiple needs. I do not expect all of them filled in the Draft but I certainly expect to get more than a single player make the roster!!!

So far, I am not impressed with the loss of picks for Donovan given the outcome of that transaction. So, they are NOT seating pretty in my book right now. They better improve SOON.

It does not help to trade down for more picks if those picks are useless. Trading down only makes sense if at least some of those picks stay in the roster.

It helps even less if the high picks are wasted of course (Thomas, Kelly, Campbell, etc).

Whatever the strategy, there is no substitute for good homework and this team does not even know for sure in light of the legal situation whether is going to be able to dump several players at key positions.

Yes, I am cranky and this thread provoked me to bring it all out.

I feel better now.

I think we can now add 2011 First Round Pick Ryan Kerrigan to this list.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I think we can now add 2011 First Round Pick Ryan Kerrigan to this list.

Not according to the experts. Todd McShay says:

"There's no way he'll be a bust in the NFL."

Skinsfan55 wrote:Not according to the experts. Todd McShay says:

"There's no way he'll be a bust in the NFL."

At #41 or #49 I might agree. However when you select the 7th ranked DE in the draft, whose concensus overall ranking is somewhere between 40-50 with the SIXTEENTH PICK in the Draft, I think that's more than just a reach.

I've commented on it before.... I expect certain things from First Round Picks, and I don't believe that Kerrigan can provide them. That makes him a terrible pick in my mind, and someone who, like Patricia Ramsey and Jasco Campbell, I simply will not be able to root for.