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skins2357 wrote:Some people need to get real on here. By saying that he was not being wise or smart by going to the club, GIVE ME A BREAK. The kid is 24 years old. Thats what 24 year olds do, they go out and party. If it was a nice club (I have never been there so I got no idea) as others are saying, he did nothing wrong and I am fine with him going out at night. You can say he should not have been there, but thats stupid, he's a kid. Thats what they do. To expect him to go to clubs and leave at the stroke of midnight to make the fans happy is dumb and even my boys and I stay later then that and have been known to close places down. Some ppl on here need to realize that he is not a prisoner who cant go live his life, all he wants to do is be a 24 year old.

All thyat being said ppl also dont know the circumstances. Maybe his buddy was driving and did not want to leave yet and BB was stranded there (has happened to me plenty of times) or maybe his buddy was blasted and BB was trying to get him out (happened plenty of times again) or MAYBE HE WAS JUST BEING A NORMAL 24 YEAR OLD AND OUT AT A CLUB LOOKING FOR GIRLS WITH A FRIEND. Just my 2 cents

Being a 20 year old in Canada, I can fully agree with this quote. This is what people in their twenties do and it seems like BB was not involved in any sketchy behaviour and just was breaking up a fight. Fights happen throughout the night at clubs not just after hours. To expect people in their 20's to not go out is just ridiculous. Whats worst is people here lambasting a kid after knowing the fact that the only trouble he got into was trying to BREAK UP a fight.

Maybe maybe maybe.

SkinsJock wrote:This being the original thread - count me in the "he couldn't have been hurt IF he'd not been there at that hour" camp

just my opinion - I do not agree that NFL athletes are "just normal kids" - they have a lot more responsibilities than "normal" kids - I think it was a mistake (NOT wrong) for Banks to be out that late

If you want to be a part of the NFL, you should accept the reponsibilities to act and behave in a certain way

I think that being a part of the NFL comes with certain 'requirements' for setting an example - that's just me


just like everyone, I hope he's going to be OK

100% agree.

broomboy wrote: Fights happen throughout the night at clubs not just after hours. To expect people in their 20's to not go out is just ridiculous. Whats worst is people here lambasting a kid after knowing the fact that the only trouble he got into was trying to BREAK UP a fight.

Broomboy and Skins and all the rest of you that feel that going to night clubs is what "normal" 24 year olds do, you are absoulutely right that we folks who don't care for clubbing should not bash Brandon or any other athlete for exercising their choice to go to night clubs where people get intoxicated and fights do break out no matter how nice the club.

Most 24 year olds do club and we shouldn't get upset when the Fred Davises and the Brandon Banks run into trouble. We shouldn't get upset when the Ken Hamlins (former Seashawk) nearly lose their lives in a nice night club in Seattle. I don't think that we are being selfish, but definitely being unrealistic. I ask why would a guy who makes so much money want to be in a place where the odds are great that at some time fights will break out and deadly weapons pulled Again, I am showing my ignorance the clubbing mentality.

I do not understand the clubbing scene and nor do I want to. If my kid, said that he was going clubbing, I would urge him to be careful and take certain precautions. I wouldn't say he was unwise, so Broomboy and Skins and the rest of you, count me as getting your points. I hate to admit I am wrong, but in this case I am.

I should recognize that these football players should not be "targeted" by us fans as not being wise when they are only doing what they like to do which is what everybody wants to do - the trhings that they like. So they make a milllion plus dollars - it is their life. Just be careful and if you are only 5'7" and weigh 147 pounds be extra careful, Brandon.


Thanks

Most 24 year olds do club and we shouldn't get upset when the Fred Davises and the Brandon Banks run into trouble. We shouldn't get upset when the Ken Hamlins (former Seashawk) nearly lose their lives in a nice night club in Seattle. I don't think that we are being selfish, but definitely being unrealistic. I ask why would a guy who makes so much money want to be in a place where the odds are great that at some time fights will break out and deadly weapons pulled Again, I am showing my ignorance the clubbing mentality.

I think you have to keep things in perspective a little bit more when thinking about the dangers associated with clubbing. Take DC, for example. There are four professional sports teams in DC and pro athletes, especially from the Skins, Caps, and Wizards are constantly out at bars and clubs. Hardly a weekend goes by where I don't get a text from a friend saying I saw______ at a club or bar last night. And yet how many incidents have there been involving pro athletes? Very, very few.

This being the original thread - count me in the "he couldn't have been hurt IF he'd not been there at that hour" camp

just my opinion - I do not agree that NFL athletes are "just normal kids" - they have a lot more responsibilities than "normal" kids - I think it was a mistake (NOT wrong) for Banks to be out that late

If you want to be a part of the NFL, you should accept the reponsibilities to act and behave in a certain way

I think that being a part of the NFL comes with certain 'requirements' for setting an example - that's just me Smile

That is an absolute joke. You want him to stay locked up in his house and never have any fun? At a club like Park, compared to the other athletes and celebs that go there, Banks is a relative nobody.

Sure, he has certain responsibilities. But not going to a club is not one of them.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Most 24 year olds do club and we shouldn't get upset when the Fred Davises and the Brandon Banks run into trouble. We shouldn't get upset when the Ken Hamlins (former Seashawk) nearly lose their lives in a nice night club in Seattle. I don't think that we are being selfish, but definitely being unrealistic. I ask why would a guy who makes so much money want to be in a place where the odds are great that at some time fights will break out and deadly weapons pulled Again, I am showing my ignorance the clubbing mentality.

I think you have to keep things in perspective a little bit more when thinking about the dangers associated with clubbing. Take DC, for example. There are four professional sports teams in DC and pro athletes, especially from the Skins, Caps, and Wizards are constantly out at bars and clubs. Hardly a weekend goes by where I don't get a text from a friend saying I saw______ at a club or bar last night. And yet how many incidents have there been involving pro athletes? Very, very few.

When you put it into that perspective, you are absolutely right.

This is simply further proof that one can neither TEACH nor LEGISLATE Common Sense; especially amongst young adults and people with money.

I'm sorry that it happened to him, and glad it wasn't more serious; however if it HAD BEEN, I wouldn't have shed a single tear of sympathy for him. Make your bed, you get to lay in it.

I have NO problem with him doing anything at all - I just question his being out that late at night

i'm all for these guys having a lot of fun and enjoying themselves - like the man said - there's plenty of time to party but you also have to know when it's best to leave - being out at clubs until 3 in the morning is just putting yourself in harms way

CanesSkins26 wrote: ... That is an absolute joke. You want him to stay locked up in his house and never have any fun?

Why is it "an absolute joke" - you may not agree with it but there's no need to overstate it - chill

I never said anything about him staying locked up - why do you bring that into this?

it's just my opinion that Banks showed a lapse in judgement by staying out late - no big deal that you don't agree

I'm glad to hear BB is going to be ok, and hopefully his friend makes a speedy recovery as well. I have no problem with a successful 24 year old man going out and enjoying himself after midnight; athlete or not. He wasn't breaking any laws. Everybody should be able to go out and enjoy themselves no matter what time of day/night it is. This is America after all, land of the free right?

To everyone saying "nothing good ever happens after 12 am when you're out clubbing" or whatever. I'm pretty sure ST was indoors "behaving himself" when he suffered a much more tragic fate, who's to say when/where tragedy can strike. Plenty of people behave themselves at clubs after hours and get home safe and sound.

Who is anyone to judge what these guys are doing as long as they are behaving themselves and living by the laws and policies of the Country as well as their companies (in this case the NFL).

How about somebody giving the young guy some respect for coming to the aid of his friend and taking a knife in the side because of it; while possibly saving his friends life. Who would have thought that somebody could get stabbed while being couragous and honorable and still get all of this negativity from "fans."

It doesn't matter where or what time, if you are associated with or surrounded by people of questionable morale the odds of something bad happening are greater. The people most likely to be hanging out at a club at 3:00a.m. are those with questionable morale. This isn't to tell Brandon Banks or anyone else what they should do with their own life but the risk is greater when one is out at unusual hours in the company of questionable characters and is a professional athlete. I'd wager you won't find London Fletcher, Phillip Daniels, Vonnie Holliday and countless others out and about at 3:00a.m. I'd venture that at some point the risk outweighs the reward. Perhaps this is that point for Brandon Banks. It sounds as though both he and Christopher Nixon will be OK.

Just sayin, but I am 29, and have never been to a club. Even in my early 20's the people I knew and hung out with were headed home by midnight or 1. at the latest. The only exception might be going to a Midnight movie on a Friday night. Other than that, I don't know many people that stayed out that late. The old saying proves true that nothing good happens out after 1am.

Just to be clear - I am not saying athletes in the NFL are not allowed or should not be doing or behaving in any way, shape or form - I'm only saying that being in the NFL is a privilege and the NFL has a "code of conduct" that is not applicable to society

Have fun and enjoy all the benefits but also just be aware of the ramifications of your decisions - no big deal, have a great time

IF these athletes want to burn the candle at both ends, more power to them, just be cogniscant of your surroundings and the fact that there are many "friends" that would like to take advantage and if possible drag you down to their level

I think it's great that Banks stood up and tried to help his friend, that's not the question - I just think these athletes don't understand that they need to be very careful about who is around them, especially after others have been drinking

CanesSkins26 wrote:Sure, he has certain responsibilities. But not going to a club is not one of them.

I would suggest that if I was paying someone hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to work for me, I would have a very specific clause in their contract about making sure they were not involving themselves in activities that might harm their ability to do that work for me.

I know that many NFL (and other sports) contracts do have a clause indicating any number of dangerous acts that players cannot do... riding motorcycles, skydiving, etc.... I just think that clause needs to be expanded upon.

As to how this compares to the ST incident.... In BOTH cases, the player allowed himself to remain in a location where there was a fairly high potential for trouble. Banks at a nightclub. Taylor continuing to live in a neighborhood that I've read is not exactly the best to begin with. When you lay in a pig sty, you're gonna get dirty. In both cases, if these players had not been in places where I wouldn't want them to begin with, these things never would have happened.

This seems to be simply another case of an NFL player (mainly of certain backgrounds) who cannot separate himself from his former lifestyle and culture. Not a good thing in my mind.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:As to how this compares to the ST incident.... In BOTH cases, the player allowed himself to remain in a location where there was a fairly high potential for trouble. Banks at a nightclub. Taylor continuing to live in a neighborhood that I've read is not exactly the best to begin with. When you lay in a pig sty, you're gonna get dirty. In both cases, if these players had not been in places where I wouldn't want them to begin with, these things never would have happened.

The comparison to Sean Taylor is not only ignorant and misguided, but also offensive.

Irn-Bru wrote:The comparison to Sean Taylor is not only ignorant and misguided, but also offensive.

What I find offensive is people who get paid tons of money and who are still too stupid to do the most basic things to secure their personages and property. When you decide you want to live the "Thug Life", well you get what's coming to you. You get stabbed, shot, arrested, etc.... For which I will not shed a tear (nor did I for ST).

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:The comparison to Sean Taylor is not only ignorant and misguided, but also offensive.

What I find offensive is people who get paid tons of money and who are still too stupid to do the most basic things to secure their personages and property. When you decide you want to live the "Thug Life", well you get what's coming to you. You get stabbed, shot, arrested, etc.... For which I will not shed a tear (nor did I for ST).

I find this post ignorant and highly offensive. You have no idea what these guys deal with or what they go through. This is the worst post I've read on this site in a long, long time.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:For which I will not shed a tear (nor did I for ST)

It's sentiments like this that make this world a worse place. It's sentiments like this and those of people who still want to seem Vick harmed cus of what he did that shows nobody can or is willing to forgive anymore.

People who act like this, are IMHO WORSE than the people whom they judge. The criteria with which you are using to judge Banks is not only stereotypical but completely ignorant. I've been in that exact situation. I can count my trips to a club on one hand. Anyone who has met me here knows that nothing about me says "thug". Yet, I too got swept into something that didn't have anything to do with me.

Ive found throughout my short time on this planet that people who conduct themselves in a "holy art thou" manner, are typically the people doing the worst.


That being said, I hope Banks and his friend recovers. He needs to learn from this and apply it to his future outings.

TeeterSalad wrote:I find this post ignorant and highly offensive. You have no idea what these guys deal with or what they go through.

No I don't, nor do I ever want to. Especially since it would appear that to be a professional athlete these days (at least in the NFL and NBA) one must have a complete and total lack of common sense and/or personal protection skills.

Assuming I was in their position, I would probably RARELY if EVER leave my home for any sort of public place. I definitely would not go anywhere that does not have proper (ie... ARMED) security or where alcohol was served. Clubs, Bars, etc... would be totally off-limits.

The people most likely to be hanging out at a club at 3:00a.m. are those with questionable morale.

This is the single dumbest and most ridiculous post that I have ever seen on this board.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:The comparison to Sean Taylor is not only ignorant and misguided, but also offensive.

What I find offensive is people who get paid tons of money and who are still too stupid to do the most basic things to secure their personages and property. When you decide you want to live the "Thug Life", well you get what's coming to you. You get stabbed, shot, arrested, etc.... For which I will not shed a tear (nor did I for ST).

You seriously have no clue and probably grew up in some backwoods hole in the middle of nowhere. Go to Park or any similar club in DC at 3am and the place with be filled with college kids, lawyers, lobbyists, businessmen, government workers, etc. There is nothing "Thug" about it, and to state otherwise shows that you have no idea what in the hell it is that you are talking about. Have you ever been to Park? I'm guessing no, so how about not judging others when you are uneducated on the issue.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:It's sentiments like this that make this world a worse place. It's sentiments like this and those of people who still want to seem Vick harmed cus of what he did that shows nobody can or is willing to forgive anymore.

I couldn't care any less about Michael Vick. He's not a player on a team that I follow so honestly I have no opinion on him one way or the other.

You're right... I don't forgive, and I never forget either. Banks has just basically trashed his reputation permanently so far as I'm concerned; and it will probably never be able to be recovered from in my mind.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:People who act like this, are IMHO WORSE than the people whom they judge. The criteria with which you are using to judge Banks is not only stereotypical but completely ignorant. I've been in that exact situation. I can count my trips to a club on one hand. Anyone who has met me here knows that nothing about me says "thug". Yet, I too got swept into something that didn't have anything to do with me.

I've never been in that situation. I agree. I don't go into ANY large public place without a sidearm and at least one reloading device for that sidearm. I avoid bars, clubs, and most other places that serve alcohol most of the time. Definitely after about 9pm. I don't put myself in a position to have to deal with that sort of garbage, but I make darn sure I'm ready to, if it comes to me.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Ive found throughout my short time on this planet that people who conduct themselves in a "holy art thou" manner, are typically the people doing the worst.

My way of doing things has netted me a grand total of 2 parking tickets in my 36 years of life. I've been pulled over three other times, but never gotten a ticket. I've never been arrested. I've never been questioned by the police. Mostly because I go out of my way to avoid being in the sort of places where those types of things happen.

SkinsJock wrote:I have NO problem with him doing anything at all - I just question his being out that late at night

i'm all for these guys having a lot of fun and enjoying themselves - like the man said - there's plenty of time to party but you also have to know when it's best to leave - being out at clubs until 3 in the morning is just putting yourself in harms way

How are you putting yourself in harms way? Again, how many incidents have taken place in DC where professional athletes, who are out at clubs and bars every weekend, have gotten hurt? BB is the only one that comes to mind.

CanesSkins26 wrote:You seriously have no clue and probably grew up in some backwoods whole in the middle of nowhere. Go to Park or any similar club in DC at 3am and the place with be filled with college kids, lawyers, lobbyists, businessmen, government workers, etc. There is nothing "Thug" about it, and to state otherwise shows that you have no idea what in the hell it is that you are talking about. Have you ever been to Park? I'm guessing no, so how about not judging others when you are uneducated on the issue.

I grew up in a town of approximately 50,000 residents in Central Connecticut. It's a college town with its share of issues related to that and the fact that it's also a main hub for the "Italian Improvement Society" in southern New England. I went to college in Providence, RI and have now also lived in Worcester, MA (the second and third largest cities in New England).

I don't go ANYWHERE at 3am, and never have. All I intend to see at that hour of the day is the inside of my eyelids. Even when I was in college and in my 20's I was home by 11pm at the latest. I see no need to be out past then.

Nope, never been to Park. I never will be either. Doesn't sound like my type of place.