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chiefhog44 wrote:The more I think about this, the more I want Robert Quinn. I have been listening and reading a lot about him. First off, he is bigger than Demarcus Ware, so he would work as a OLB as far as size goes. Secondly, the guy explodes off the ball in tape. Thirdly, the dude has won 5, let me repeat 5 state wrestling titles. That means the guy knows leverage and is tough as nails. Think about it, he was wrestling in 8th grade and beating grown men from high school.

The guy got suspended for dealing with an agent which many other players on the team got busted for as well. This guy is going to be a stud in my opinion and will be available when we pick. Having him and Orakpo would be just deadly and help out our secondary quite a bit.

Quinn is a "boom" or "bust" question mark only because he missed last season. If he is still there at 10, I would have to take him as well. I just don't think he will be there.

chiefhog44 wrote:The more I think about this, the more I want Robert Quinn. I have been listening and reading a lot about him. First off, he is bigger than Demarcus Ware, so he would work as a OLB as far as size goes. Secondly, the guy explodes off the ball in tape. Thirdly, the dude has won 5, let me repeat 5 state wrestling titles. That means the guy knows leverage and is tough as nails. Think about it, he was wrestling in 8th grade and beating grown men from high school.

The guy got suspended for dealing with an agent which many other players on the team got busted for as well. This guy is going to be a stud in my opinion and will be available when we pick. Having him and Orakpo would be just deadly and help out our secondary quite a bit.

Quinn is a talent, but do you really want to use the #10 pick on a guy who last played in a football game in December of 2009? Not only would we be drafting a guy that hasn't played football in over a year, but we'd also be asking him to switch positions at a time when it's unclear how much offseason/training camp there is going to be given the labor problems.

The other problem with Quinn is that he tends to disappear in certain games. You look back at his last season, 2009, and in the five games he played in against decent teams....Va Tech, Georgia Tech, Miami, FSU, and Pitt...and he totaled 16 total tackles (10 of which came against Ga Tech and their triple option offense) and zero sacks. The only teams that he recorded sacks against was Citadel, ECU, UVA, Duke, Georgia Southern and BC. Over half of his sacks came against UVA and Duke.

He's got the physical skills but he is far too much of a risk to use the #10 pick on.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:The more I think about this, the more I want Robert Quinn. I have been listening and reading a lot about him. First off, he is bigger than Demarcus Ware, so he would work as a OLB as far as size goes. Secondly, the guy explodes off the ball in tape. Thirdly, the dude has won 5, let me repeat 5 state wrestling titles. That means the guy knows leverage and is tough as nails. Think about it, he was wrestling in 8th grade and beating grown men from high school.

The guy got suspended for dealing with an agent which many other players on the team got busted for as well. This guy is going to be a stud in my opinion and will be available when we pick. Having him and Orakpo would be just deadly and help out our secondary quite a bit.

Quinn is a talent, but do you really want to use the #10 pick on a guy who last played in a football game in December of 2009? Not only would we be drafting a guy that hasn't played football in over a year, but we'd also be asking him to switch positions at a time when it's unclear how much offseason/training camp there is going to be given the labor problems.

The other problem with Quinn is that he tends to disappear in certain games. You look back at his last season, 2009, and in the five games he played in against decent teams....Va Tech, Georgia Tech, Miami, FSU, and Pitt...and he totaled 16 total tackles (10 of which came against Ga Tech and their triple option offense) and zero sacks. The only teams that he recorded sacks against was Citadel, ECU, UVA, Duke, Georgia Southern and BC. Over half of his sacks came against UVA and Duke.

He's got the physical skills but he is far too much of a risk to use the #10 pick on.

Those are some strong arguments. I looked at highlight video of just one game and was impressed, but it was against Constanza, but that was Constanza last in 2009. On second thought perhaps I will stay with a more sure bet with Jones if we can't trade up. Are there any negatives on Cam Jordan?

chiefhog44 wrote:http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81eaf642/Casserly-s-Mock-Draft?module=HP_video

I wouldnt mind that at all. we need more pieces in our front seven asap.

I DO NOT see Bowers going #1 that is a bit of a stretch from casserly.

I think Casserly pulled names out of a hat. There is no way that several of those players are going in the top 10.

I'm kind of hoping that we hear that the Washington Redskins have traded out of this spot

If we cannot do that, take the player that they think best helps the franchise - there will be a lot of players available that are going to go on to become really great and hopefully these guys have much better talent evaluators than we've had here before


actually, there were no talent evaluators here before these guys came in

.. LangleyparkJoe !!! *the crowd goes wild* The RB/TE/WR/LB/S out of UMD says "I grew up a Redskin fan and now I want to kick the NFL's butt!"

Von Miller, Marcell Dareus, Patrick Peterson or Mark Ingram.


We need a RB much more then we need a WR. I think Ingram is highly underrated. All though he ran a 4.5 forty which isnt bad at all he still is going to be a special player in my opinion.


Ingram over Green!!!!! We need a running game again. We are the freaking Redskins.

Power running games bringing in trophies is a thing of the past.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Power running games bringing in trophies is a thing of the past.

agreed.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Power running games bringing in trophies is a thing of the past.

Exactly. We can find a one cut back in the mid to later rounds that fits what Shanny wants. Murray from OSU and Berry from Miami are two guys that would fit and could be had in the 3rd or 4th round. No need to spend a first rounder on an rb unless you are getting someone like Adrian Peterson.

Outside LB or Defensive Line.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Power running games bringing in trophies is a thing of the past.

Exactly. We can find a one cut back in the mid to later rounds that fits what Shanny wants. Murray from OSU and Berry from Miami are two guys that would fit and could be had in the 3rd or 4th round. No need to spend a first rounder on an rb unless you are getting someone like Adrian Peterson.

CS, you ALWAYS find a way to sneak in one of your boys from "Da U!". Not mad atall do'h, Da U is VERY good to us

HEROHAMO wrote:Von Miller, Marcell Dareus, Patrick Peterson or Mark Ingram.


We need a RB much more then we need a WR. I think Ingram is highly underrated. All though he ran a 4.5 forty which isnt bad at all he still is going to be a special player in my opinion.


Ingram over Green!!!!! We need a running game again. We are the freaking Redskins.

No way MS drafts a RB at ten! He correctly believes that you just don't invest that much in a RB.

No way we need a RB more than a WR and this is true with Tana (w/o him the two needs aren't even on the same planet), but we shouldn't draft either #10.

OLs make a running game not a RB. Fix the OL and any RB you find at a Quickie Mart will work.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Von Miller, Marcell Dareus, Patrick Peterson or Mark Ingram.


We need a RB much more then we need a WR. I think Ingram is highly underrated. All though he ran a 4.5 forty which isnt bad at all he still is going to be a special player in my opinion.


Ingram over Green!!!!! We need a running game again. We are the freaking Redskins.

No way MS drafts a RB at ten! He correctly believes that you just don't invest that much in a RB.

No way we need a RB more than a WR and this is true with Tana (w/o him the two needs aren't even on the same planet), but we shouldn't draft either #10.

OLs make a running game not a RB. Fix the OL and any RB you find at a Quickie Mart will work.

I think RBs are even worse picks in the top 10 than WRs are.

BTW - should we have drafted Okung instead of Williams last year?

DarthMonk

Good question about Okung vs Williams. I know we picked him because of his quickness and all, but Okung played in the same ZBS and Trent and did pretty well too. I think its a little unfair to judge by their sacks allowed seeing Williams was going vs a Pro Bowler every week. I think they both turn out to be pretty good

I see our top needs as:
QB
NT
Interior OL.

I'm not sure a player at any of these positions, worth the #10 pick will be there at 10.
Ist preference is to trade down. 2nd choice, I'm not sure.

yupchagee wrote:I see our top needs as:
QB
NT
Interior OL.

I'm not sure a player at any of these positions, worth the #10 pick will be there at 10.
Ist preference is to trade down. 2nd choice, I'm not sure.

I agree with your list but would add:
OLB and DE are as big of a need as NT and OL.

WR is the next big need, but you simply can't justify taking a WR that high in the draft.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:I see our top needs as:
QB
NT
Interior OL.

I'm not sure a player at any of these positions, worth the #10 pick will be there at 10.
Ist preference is to trade down. 2nd choice, I'm not sure.

I agree with your list but would add:
OLB and DE are as big of a need as NT and OL.

WR is the next big need, but you simply can't justify taking a WR that high in the draft.

I think Carriker & Jarmon will be good DE's if we get an NT.

OLB would be nice, but the other positions are more critical.

My positions of need in order:

OLB - We currently have noone on the roster who can play well here. Zo struggled big time last yr and is nothing more then a backup IMO.

OG - Lichensteiger and Monty improved week to week, but both of them together are a liability. We need a good young LG (Hudson, Wiesnewski), a FA signing at RG (Joseph) and let Monty and Lichensteiger battle at C

NT - Bryant looked good at the end of the year, but was nonexistant before that. We need a young guy to come in and split time while learning the ropes (Blaine Sumner)


QB - Grossman will be our starter next year, and he was not terrible last year. However we do need a replacement in 2012, meaning we need to start grooming him

DE - Carriker looks good, but we could use an upgrade on the other side. We have ppl on the roster who can fill in (Gholston, Jarmon), but they should be backups.

WR - We need some young guys to come in and compete. After Moss (if resigned) we have no reliables. Its hard for me to justify taking one at 10 though because there are too many things that directly affect their success, that we dont have yet. (QB, OL, other WRS)

skins2357 wrote:NT - Bryant looked good at the end of the year, but was nonexistant before that. We need a young guy to come in and split time while learning the ropes (Blaine Sumner)

SKINS2357: Good afternoon

Was he nonexistent because he was bad or was he nonexistent because Haslett didn't play him?

From what I saw he only played the last 3..4 games of the year & like you said, looked good doing it. Do we need another NT?...yes, but should we spend our #10 pick on him...no. IMO

whoa there chief, never said to spend the 10th pick on a NT. If u would read some posts, I am a fan of bringing in Blaine Sumner, who is a 5th rounder at best, to rotate with Bryant.

I was commenting on where our needs were, in the order needed. That does not mean you take them at 10. If you took my post as a "who we should draft at 10", then OLB was my #1 priority. Why would you skip that one and blow me up for saying NT? IF we stay at 10, I assume we take Jones. But I dont want to stay at 10, I was to trade down and pick up some 2nd rounders and use a 5th on my MANCRUSH Blaine Sumner. Hell I would not draft Phil Taylor (the best NT in the draft) at 10.

skins2357 wrote: Why would you skip that one and blow me up for saying NT?

skins2357:

I think there's been a miscommunication. To begin with...It wasn't my intention to "blow you up" for saying NT. You can say what ever you want about what ever you want. I was simply trying to carry on a conversation.

Your list of needs are accurate.