2010 Redskins Post Mortem

TimSkin · Post by **TimSkin** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:07 pm

"The 2011 NFL draft has Dallas picking at 9 and us at 10 - Iguess that's because of the strenghth of schedule deal because as I understand it we "finished" at 4 in the NFC East?"

The only reason Dallas is picking before us is because we played the Rams who finished 7-9 and they played the Cards who finished 6=10 so other than that we played the same strength of schedule. Hopefully we end up with a future pro bowler and they end up with a nice big ol first round bust!!!!!!

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:50 pm

Guys, let's get real. One game is not enough to show that Anthony Bryant, a former 6th round pick, on his 7th team in 5 years is a legitimate starting nose tackle in the NFL. It would be a HUGE stretch for him to even make the team next season. Here's an excerpt from his scouting report from Scouts Inc:

"He does not have upside and is a guy who is really just a camp body."

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:23 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Guys, let's get real. One game is not enough to show that Anthony Bryant, a former 6th round pick, on his 7th team in 5 years is a legitimate starting nose tackle in the NFL. It would be a HUGE stretch for him to even make the team next season. Here's an excerpt from his scouting report from Scouts Inc:

"He does not have upside and is a guy who is really just a camp body."

Don't forget he was playing against Shawn Andrews - an emergency center.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:53 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Guys, let's get real. One game is not enough to show that Anthony Bryant, a former 6th round pick, on his 7th team in 5 years is a legitimate starting nose tackle in the NFL. It would be a HUGE stretch for him to even make the team next season. Here's an excerpt from his scouting report from Scouts Inc:

"He does not have upside and is a guy who is really just a camp body."

He played last week against the Jags as well, but I understand what you are saying. But the dude has massive calves. I likey...I likey a lot

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:00 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Guys, let's get real. One game is not enough to show that Anthony Bryant, a former 6th round pick, on his 7th team in 5 years is a legitimate starting nose tackle in the NFL. It would be a HUGE stretch for him to even make the team next season. Here's an excerpt from his scouting report from Scouts Inc:

"He does not have upside and is a guy who is really just a camp body."

+1

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:48 pm

I'll rely on our coaches - I could care less what Scouts Inc or anyone outside of Redskins Park thinks

we are going to see a lot of players making this roster that most everyone outside of this organaization thinks are not worth giving a try - guess what - so far in the last 3 games we've seen what happens when guys that most of these "experts" don't think can play were given a chance

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:01 am

chiefhog44 wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:Guys, let's get real. One game is not enough to show that Anthony Bryant, a former 6th round pick, on his 7th team in 5 years is a legitimate starting nose tackle in the NFL. It would be a HUGE stretch for him to even make the team next season. Here's an excerpt from his scouting report from Scouts Inc:

"He does not have upside and is a guy who is really just a camp body."
He played last week against the Jags as well, but I understand what you are saying. But the dude has massive calves. I likey...I likey a lot

So what you're saying is that...you're a leg man?

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:49 am

SkinsJock wrote:I'll rely on our coaches - I could care less what Scouts Inc or anyone outside of Redskins Park thinks

we are going to see a lot of players making this roster that most everyone outside of this organaization thinks are not worth giving a try - guess what - so far in the last 3 games we've seen what happens when guys that most of these "experts" don't think can play were given a chance

If our coaches gave consideration to making Bryant the starting NT, or even a regular part of a rotation that would go a long way in undermining my confidence in them.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:35 am

PulpExposure wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:Guys, let's get real. One game is not enough to show that Anthony Bryant, a former 6th round pick, on his 7th team in 5 years is a legitimate starting nose tackle in the NFL. It would be a HUGE stretch for him to even make the team next season. Here's an excerpt from his scouting report from Scouts Inc:

"He does not have upside and is a guy who is really just a camp body."
He played last week against the Jags as well, but I understand what you are saying. But the dude has massive calves. I likey...I likey a lot
So what you're saying is that...you're a leg man?

exactly

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:36 am

Skinsfan55 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I'll rely on our coaches - I could care less what Scouts Inc or anyone outside of Redskins Park thinks

we are going to see a lot of players making this roster that most everyone outside of this organaization thinks are not worth giving a try - guess what - so far in the last 3 games we've seen what happens when guys that most of these "experts" don't think can play were given a chance
If our coaches gave consideration to making Bryant the starting NT, or even a regular part of a rotation that would go a long way in undermining my confidence in them.

And that means what exactly...I bet you said the same thing about AA as well. Funny how that works, or let me guess, you KNEW an undrafted 28 year old WR would start for our team and play exceptionally well for a rookie...

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:07 am

Skinsfan55 wrote: .. If our coaches gave consideration to making Bryant the starting NT, or even a regular part of a rotation that would go a long way in undermining my confidence in them.

I'm glad that you have confidence in the defensive coaches

I think you're going to be disapointed - I don't think that Bryant is going to start at NT BUT I do think he's shown that he can be a part of the 3-4 rotation here

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:33 am

chiefhog44 wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:I'll rely on our coaches - I could care less what Scouts Inc or anyone outside of Redskins Park thinks

we are going to see a lot of players making this roster that most everyone outside of this organaization thinks are not worth giving a try - guess what - so far in the last 3 games we've seen what happens when guys that most of these "experts" don't think can play were given a chance
If our coaches gave consideration to making Bryant the starting NT, or even a regular part of a rotation that would go a long way in undermining my confidence in them.
And that means what exactly...I bet you said the same thing about AA as well. Funny how that works, or let me guess, you KNEW an undrafted 28 year old WR would start for our team and play exceptionally well for a rookie...

The difference between AA and Bryant though is that Bryant has been in the league for a number of years and hasn't shown much ability. He first came into the league in 2005 and since that time has started 6 games and has 19 career tackles. It's crazy to think that one good performance is an indicator that after all this time the guy can be a starter. AA might be around the same age but he is just a rookie, so there is a big difference between the two.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:13 pm

valid point Canes but I think the thinking here (except for one of our fans, who seems to know a lot of stuff) is that Bryant took advantage of some playing time at a position that might get him a place on the roster and maybe some consideration to be a part of the 3-4 here

I don't think many, outside of Bryant's family, think he's going to be a starting NT for us but we sure as hell need all the 3-4 type players we can get and this guy might be a part of that picture

to imply that you as a fan are not going to have much confidence in the defensive coaches because they might have this guy as part of our defensive rotation is just fairly dumb IMO

even the idiot announcers (who know less than some here) were saying that he should be given some consideration - I think he get's a look based on 2 things - we have very few 3-4 NTs and this guy didn't look too bad on Sunday

PLUS - it looks like he wants to be here

skins2357 · Post by **skins2357** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:42 pm

My projected defensive starters next yr-

DE - Carriker
NT - ?
DE - ?
OLB - Orakpo
MLB - Fletcher
MLB - ?
OLB - ?
CB - Hall
CB - Buchanon
SS - Landry
FS - ?

- We have some players who the coaches might consider but I dont find as starters material. (Bryant, Golston, Moore, Alexander). Hopefully we are able to upgrade most of these positions, but realistically we will probably see a couple of these guys return to starting. (Bryant, Alexander)

My projected offensive starters next yr...

QB - Grossman
RB - Torain
WR - Moss
WR - Armstrong
WR - ?
TE - Cooley
LT - Williams
LG - ?
C - Rabach
RG - ?
RT - Brown

Same can be said that we have some guys who might fill in (Lichensteiger, Montgomery, Kelly) but I just have that gut feeling (based on nothing) that these guys return as starters. I hope Im wrong because I dont want to see Rabach back, but the fact that he returned to the starting lineup after that 1 week shows that the coaches value him for some reason

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:32 pm

skins2357 wrote:My projected defensive starters next yr-

DE - Carriker
NT - ?
DE - ?
OLB - Orakpo
MLB - Fletcher
MLB - ?
OLB - ?
CB - Hall
CB - Buchanon
SS - Landry
FS - ?

- We have some players who the coaches might consider but I dont find as starters material. (Bryant, Golston, Moore, Alexander). Hopefully we are able to upgrade most of these positions, but realistically we will probably see a couple of these guys return to starting. (Bryant, Alexander)

My projected offensive starters next yr...

QB - Grossman
RB - Torain
WR - Moss
WR - Armstrong
WR - ?
TE - Cooley
LT - Williams
LG - ?
C - Rabach
RG - ?
RT - Brown

Same can be said that we have some guys who might fill in (Lichensteiger, Montgomery, Kelly) but I just have that gut feeling (based on nothing) that these guys return as starters. I hope Im wrong because I dont want to see Rabach back, but the fact that he returned to the starting lineup after that 1 week shows that the coaches value him for some reason

What is your opinion on giving Alexander a look at inside LB? He is big and fast and he can probably cover better than McIntosh.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:43 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote: If our coaches gave consideration to making Bryant the starting NT, or even a regular part of a rotation that would go a long way in undermining my confidence in them.
And that means what exactly...I bet you said the same thing about AA as well. Funny how that works, or let me guess, you KNEW an undrafted 28 year old WR would start for our team and play exceptionally well for a rookie...
The difference between AA and Bryant though is that Bryant has been in the league for a number of years and hasn't shown much ability. He first came into the league in 2005 and since that time has started 6 games and has 19 career tackles. It's crazy to think that one good performance is an indicator that after all this time the guy can be a starter. AA might be around the same age but he is just a rookie, so there is a big difference between the two.

So just because a guy was not good enough to MAKE it to the big's you don't think it's a valid comparison that we found him in the garbag pile along with Bryant? Does that even make sense? Oh me, oh oh oh, call on me. Chiefhog44....Absolutley not

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:45 pm

skins2357 wrote:My projected defensive starters next yr-

DE - Carriker
NT - ?
DE - ?
OLB - Orakpo
MLB - Fletcher
MLB - ?
OLB - ?
CB - Hall
CB - Buchanon
SS - Landry
FS - ?

- We have some players who the coaches might consider but I dont find as starters material. (Bryant, Golston, Moore, Alexander). Hopefully we are able to upgrade most of these positions, but realistically we will probably see a couple of these guys return to starting. (Bryant, Alexander)

My projected offensive starters next yr...

QB - Grossman
RB - Torain
WR - Moss
WR - Armstrong
WR - ?
TE - Cooley
LT - Williams
LG - ?
C - Rabach
RG - ?
RT - Brown

Same can be said that we have some guys who might fill in (Lichensteiger, Montgomery, Kelly) but I just have that gut feeling (based on nothing) that these guys return as starters. I hope Im wrong because I dont want to see Rabach back, but the fact that he returned to the starting lineup after that 1 week shows that the coaches value him for some reason

I would add the following. Perry Riley as MLB and Lichtensteiger as LG. The guy has been playing really well and I love his attitude.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:50 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote: If our coaches gave consideration to making Bryant the starting NT, or even a regular part of a rotation that would go a long way in undermining my confidence in them.
And that means what exactly...I bet you said the same thing about AA as well. Funny how that works, or let me guess, you KNEW an undrafted 28 year old WR would start for our team and play exceptionally well for a rookie...
The difference between AA and Bryant though is that Bryant has been in the league for a number of years and hasn't shown much ability. He first came into the league in 2005 and since that time has started 6 games and has 19 career tackles. It's crazy to think that one good performance is an indicator that after all this time the guy can be a starter. AA might be around the same age but he is just a rookie, so there is a big difference between the two.

By the way, him being on other teams before ours means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Please google James Harrison of the Steelers if you want proof. I'm not here to discount that it's going to be an uphill battle for him, but seeing that he has only played in one other 3-4 scheme (that being the Ravens stocked full of talent at that position) in his past, suggests not to discount his ability in this scheme.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:28 pm

chiefhog44 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote: And that means what exactly...I bet you said the same thing about AA as well. Funny how that works, or let me guess, you KNEW an undrafted 28 year old WR would start for our team and play exceptionally well for a rookie...
The difference between AA and Bryant though is that Bryant has been in the league for a number of years and hasn't shown much ability. He first came into the league in 2005 and since that time has started 6 games and has 19 career tackles. It's crazy to think that one good performance is an indicator that after all this time the guy can be a starter. AA might be around the same age but he is just a rookie, so there is a big difference between the two.
So just because a guy was not good enough to MAKE it to the big's you don't think it's a valid comparison that we found him in the garbag pile along with Bryant? Does that even make sense? Oh me, oh oh oh, call on me. Chiefhog44....Absolutley not

How did we find AA in the garbage pile? It's not uncommon for a player to be signed as an undrafted FA and make an NFL roster. Bryant has been given multiple chances and not done anything as a pro. He first came into the league six seasons ago. AA is a ROOKIE. There is absolutely no comparison between the two.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:38 pm

I gotta say I'm pretty impressed with Grossman. I was not a fan when they brought him in, but he played better than I would have expected. Probably not our QB of the future, but if they could patch up the o-line this offseason I think he could do a decent job in the interim. Anybody else have any thoughts on him?

Sounds like Andre Carter doesn't expect to be back next season. No surprise there, but he seemed like a good guy the whole time he was here.

I noticed whoever posted their predictions for starting D next year didn't include Carlos Rogers. That sounds about right to me, even though Rogers was pretty good this year. He seems like he can't wait to get out of DC.

btw Alot of the early mock drafts have the Skins taking Julio Jones at #10. I know we have a need, but I can't see them using that pick at WR. Super early I know.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:45 pm

chiefhog44 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote: And that means what exactly...I bet you said the same thing about AA as well. Funny how that works, or let me guess, you KNEW an undrafted 28 year old WR would start for our team and play exceptionally well for a rookie...
The difference between AA and Bryant though is that Bryant has been in the league for a number of years and hasn't shown much ability. He first came into the league in 2005 and since that time has started 6 games and has 19 career tackles. It's crazy to think that one good performance is an indicator that after all this time the guy can be a starter. AA might be around the same age but he is just a rookie, so there is a big difference between the two.
By the way, him being on other teams before ours means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Please google James Harrison of the Steelers if you want proof. I'm not here to discount that it's going to be an uphill battle for him, but seeing that he has only played in one other 3-4 scheme (that being the Ravens stocked full of talent at that position) in his past, suggests not to discount his ability in this scheme.

I have no idea what in the world you are talking about. First of all, James Harrison was getting significant PT by his third NFL season, playing in all 16 games for the Steelers in 2004. Harrison was briefly on the Ravens practice squad must other than that has been with the Steelers for his entire career. Bryant, on the other hand, has been with the Bucs, Lions, Falcons, Ravens, Dolphins, and Giants.

Also, the Ravens were not the only that Bryant played for that ran a 3-4. He was on the Dolphins in 2007 and they ran the 3-4 under Dom Capers.

I'm not saying that he can't be of help to the team, but to crown him a starter for next year after one good game is absurd.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:16 pm

I must have missed this part - WHO is thinking that Bryant is going to be the starting NT on this 3-4 defense this coming season?

I thought that he might make the roster

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:05 pm

chiefhog44 wrote: I think we found our starting NT in Bryant. The dude played VERY well and he is a monster. We have Riley, Fletcher, Orakpo, and Alexander who I think could work for another year. We need a CB and a DE.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:31 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
chiefhog44 wrote: I think we found our starting NT in Bryant. The dude played VERY well and he is a monster. We have Riley, Fletcher, Orakpo, and Alexander who I think could work for another year. We need a CB and a DE.

I liked Byant enough to bring him back. Let him fight for a spot in the roster.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:13 pm

SkinsJock wrote:I must have missed this part - WHO is thinking that Bryant is going to be the starting NT on this 3-4 defense this coming season?

I thought that he might make the roster

As I followed up and said that it was hopes and dreams that he will start. I'm just not discounting that he could make a push. Even though a guy is cut from other teams, or on a practice squad, doesn't mean it's not going to fit here. It's been done before...many, many times.