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The skins need help in the Trenches after getting a qb

Looks like the Skins will draft #10 if Seahawks win or #11 if Rams win. I'm pulling for the Rams only b/c they've been a battered franchise and would love to see them get in the playoffs. Hope we model our franchise over what they've done in recent years. Shore up the O-line and then go after a QB. Smart!!!!

frankcal20 wrote:...[Gossman] turned the ball over a TON the past 3 weeks (8 to's I believe compared to McNabb's 16 for 14 weeks) doesn't spell success IMO.

Rex vs. Giants: 17-14 (one GANO missed field goal from a tie and possible OT)

McNabb vs. Giants: 31-7

One of these guys has a PROVEN track record of success against NFC EAST foe, New York.

Both got the L, of course, but in the end, I'll take Shanny at his word, he wanted to evaluate talent, namely Rexy.

1-2 as a starter, yet the offense looked much better than under McNabb (except for that fluke game vs the Texans).

Keep Rexy to teach the offense to next year's rookie QB.

Give McNabb his walking papers.

Thank you Skins for at least covering the spread. It meant an extra $375 in my other pool. $1,000 if we dont' cover the spread, $1,375 if we do. Don't get me wrong, I'd give it up to win. but since we did lose, it's a nice bottle of scotch to drown my sorrows...

frankcal20 wrote:Looks like the Skins will draft #10 if Seahawks win or #11 if Rams win. I'm pulling for the Rams only b/c they've been a battered franchise and would love to see them get in the playoffs. Hope we model our franchise over what they've done in recent years. Shore up the O-line and then go after a QB. Smart!!!!

You make it sound so easy

Couple of things to remember; you forget how terrible the Rams were. The 3 seasons before this one, they won a grand total of SIX games. Averaging 2 wins a season that netted them some very high draft choices, including twice the #2 overall picks (used on OL/DL) and the #1 overall for Bradford. And then turning to the "then go after a QB": Remember, it's not as if Bradford was just any QB; as a rookie, he threw for 18 TDs and 14 INTs (up until tonight); they got an absolute gem. To get a guy like that in the draft, you either have to be lucky as sin, or get the #1 pick overall like the Rams did.

So, you're saying to be like the Rams, the Skins should be just ridiculously awful for the next few years. Personally, that's not really a path you want to travel, as though it seems to have worked for the Rams, it doesn't guarantee success at all.

Oh and also, the Rams play in the worst division in the NFL. That has to help...

I can't say that the path we've been on has worked out too well. 10+ year's of "almost"

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Thank you Skins for at least covering the spread. It meant an extra $375 in my other pool. $1,000 if we dont' cover the spread, $1,375 if we do. Don't get me wrong, I'd give it up to win. but since we did lose, it's a nice bottle of scotch to drown my sorrows...

Screw that!!! That's diapers & formula for the next 4 mos for me. But I don't really gamble on sports so it would've never happened for me to begin with.

Grossman is NOT the starting QB here - he was being looked at to see if we might want to keep him as back-up ONLY IMO

I would not be the least bit surprised if the Skins drafted a qb in the first and had Rex start until the rookie is ready to play.

McNabb might not be here but he gives this franchise a better chance than Grossman, that's for sure

Might? There is no chance in hell that McNabb will be a Redskin in 2011. The Skins don't want him here and he doesn't want to be here. Under what scenario do you see McNabb on this team next season?

SkinsJock wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:..Well, he did put the ball in the endzone. 7 td's in 3 games. That's half as many as McNabb had in 10 less games. Even the announcers said that Rex has a much better grasp of the offense. Neither qb played great this year but Rex clearly ran the offense more effectively than McNabb did.

First of all Canes - the announcers know less about what is happening here than Crazyhorse

Grossman is NOT the starting QB here - he was being looked at to see if we might want to keep him as back-up ONLY IMO

McNabb might not be here but he gives this franchise a better chance than Grossman, that's for sure

It is definitely a sure thing that McNabb gives up a better chance to win... Unless you look at facts.

The Giants won AND they didn't cover. Bad day.

- Missed Gano failed goal and questionable call in Grossman fumble while throwing the ball.

- Competed, blundered, but competed.

- Sometimes felt like the Gossman to Smurfs passing game was working. Yes, these are Smurfs II. Find a Charley Taylor II or an Art Monk II, and watch how they improve.

- OL blocking poor.

- DL seems to be getting the 3 - 4. I'm still emotionally attached to the 4-3, but if Shanahan wants 3-4, we know the defense can work with the right players. Bryant over Haynesworth: big improvement.

- Still not much pressure on Manning during key drives.

- Grossman isn't Sonny, but he seemed sharper than McNabb. And I have a lot of respect for McNabb's ability.

(I didn't post much today because, for once, I could see the game.)

I'd take the past 3 weeks of Grossman over most of McNabbs performances this year. Grossman gave this team a chance to win every game he was in, and the offense actually moved the ball...I don't understand how people aren't seeing that. I'm not sure either will be the starter next year, but I'd take Grossman over McNabb for the entire season after seeing the difference in the two. Just my

I agree that Grossman has played well - I think that many of the guys who are concerned about Grossman would agree that he's played well - the BIG concern for me is that Grossman is not a good enough starting QB and I'm not sure he's a good mentor either - end of story

Grossman's playing better BUT he's not a bettter starting QB because he just doesn't have "it"

I'll agree that it looks very much like McNabb is not going to be here but I'd prefer McNabb with an improved O line (which I think will happen) AND better preparation this offseason to Grossman - that's just me

I also don't think it's likely that McNabb wants to make the effort it will take this offseason to become better with Kyle's offense


I do not think that McNabb will be starting here but I'm pretty sure it will not be Grossman either - Grossman MAY have earned a job as our back-up

I think, if they're getting rid of McNabb they will find another QB to replace him FIRST and then draft a QB for the future - A lot depends on whose available as QB

BUT we really need to find 2 possibly 3 starting O linemen and also have some very good depth

I'll agree that it looks very much like McNabb is not going to be here but I'd prefer McNabb with an improved O line (which I think will happen) AND better preparation this offseason to Grossman - that's just me

I also don't think it's likely that McNabb wants to make the effort it will take this offseason to become better with Kyle's offense

So you would prefer that McNabb be the starter next year over Grossman even though you don't that McNabb wants to put in the effort necessary to better understand and execute the offense? What kind of sense does that make?

CanesSkins26 wrote:

I'll agree that it looks very much like McNabb is not going to be here but I'd prefer McNabb with an improved O line (which I think will happen) AND better preparation this offseason to Grossman - that's just me

I also don't think it's likely that McNabb wants to make the effort it will take this offseason to become better with Kyle's offense

So you would prefer that McNabb be the starter next year over Grossman even though you don't that McNabb wants to put in the effort necessary to better understand and execute the offense? What kind of sense does that make?

I know right?

CanesSkins26 wrote:

I'll agree that it looks very much like McNabb is not going to be here but I'd prefer McNabb with an improved O line (which I think will happen) AND better preparation this offseason to Grossman - that's just me

I also don't think it's likely that McNabb wants to make the effort it will take this offseason to become better with Kyle's offense

So you would prefer that McNabb be the starter next year over Grossman even though you don't think that McNabb wants to put in the effort necessary to better understand and execute the offense? What kind of sense does that make?

NO - you're taking 2 statements and making your own conclusion =

here are the scenarios:
1) We let McNabb go or we trade him and Grossman becomes the starter - we then draft a QB who can hopefully start very quickly because ....

2) We let McNabb go or we trade him and we find a QB to be the starter
a) we sign Grossman to be the back-up and we draft a QB
b) we don't sign Grossman and we draft a QB

3) We keep McNabb and maybe Grossman and we draft a QB

I do think that we are drafting a QB in this coming draft



I think that if McNabb were to apply himself he would offer the better starting QB here but this would require him to be here and not at home in Arizona
I doubt that McNabb will do that



McNabb has the tools/ability to be a better starting QB than Grossman - for a year maybe more - I'm not sure he gets to do that again, though