Is this team really better than last year?

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mastdark81 wrote:Only improvement on our team this year I would say is our KR and PR team. Other then that I think the offense feels about the same (we still can't score in the redzone) and the defense have gotten worse. The prior two years we were more like a bend but don't break defense and Blache was good at hiding our deficiencies, however now we are broke and need some lineman and true linebackers.


Not only did we score in the red zone against Dallas we scored two two point conversions. AND we didn't have to settle for a field goal. True, it is just one game, so let's see what happens in Jax and I'll meet you back here on this thread.
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mastdark81 wrote:Only improvement on our team this year I would say is our KR and PR team. Other then that I think the offense feels about the same (we still can't score in the redzone) and the defense have gotten worse. The prior two years we were more like a bend but don't break defense and Blache was good at hiding our deficiencies, however now we are broke and need some lineman and true linebackers.


Not only did we score in the red zone against Dallas we scored two two point conversions. AND we didn't have to settle for a field goal. True, it is just one game, so let's see what happens in Jax and I'll meet you back here on this thread.


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KazooSkinsFan wrote:
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:yes, we are better then last year


How so?

A few ways include QB, OL including younger LT, cleaned out cap which would eventually drag us down, start of youth movement and most importantly: results


I'll give you the OLine and cap, but 1 more win isn't doin it. And with our 'franchise' QB riding the pine, And Galloway, R Williams, Artis Hicks, (not to mention bringing in an OLDER QBfor a 2nd and 3rd) the youth movement is questionable this year.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:yes, we are better then last year


How so?

A few ways include QB, OL including younger LT, cleaned out cap which would eventually drag us down, start of youth movement and most importantly: results


I'll give you the OLine and cap, but 1 more win isn't doin it. And with our 'franchise' QB riding the pine, And Galloway, R Williams, Artis Hicks, (not to mention bringing in an OLDER QBfor a 2nd and 3rd) the youth movement is questionable this year.

I said results, not wins. Results isn't just one more win. It was 5 wins against good teams as well as several more close games against good teams. It's also that we stayed in a lot more games then last year and we could move the ball and score points before garbage time.

Yes, the D has regressed in many ways, but as I keep pointing out we had glaring weaknesses last year in sacks (OK, we still have that one), turnovers and inability to make key stops. And the D is in the first year of a major transformation.

As for McNabb, he's definitely an upgrade over JC, but even I have to admit with the uncertainty over his future with us a final determination on that is TBD. And youth movement was only step one. It has to continue and you don't really know how you're doing on that for a good 3 years. But we started.
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KazooSkinsFan wrote: Yes, the D has regressed in many ways, but as I keep pointing out we had glaring weaknesses last year in sacks (OK, we still have that one), turnovers and inability to make key stops. And the D is in the first year of a major transformation.


Glad that there is someone else out there that hasn't forgotten that our top ten defense last year had glaring problems and that was with that Haynesworth dude playing full time - Oops, I mean on the field - Ooops, I mean starting.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:yes, we are better then last year


How so?

A few ways include QB, OL including younger LT, cleaned out cap which would eventually drag us down, start of youth movement and most importantly: results


I'll give you the OLine and cap, but 1 more win isn't doin it. And with our 'franchise' QB riding the pine, And Galloway, R Williams, Artis Hicks, (not to mention bringing in an OLDER QBfor a 2nd and 3rd) the youth movement is questionable this year.


Washington was the oldest team in the NFL last year, now there is a handful of teams wit older rosters than the Skins, those numbers were calculated when Joey was still on the team so there maybe more than just 5 teams older than Washington by now
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:yes, we are better then last year


How so?

A few ways include QB, OL including younger LT, cleaned out cap which would eventually drag us down, start of youth movement and most importantly: results


I'll give you the OLine and cap, but 1 more win isn't doin it. And with our 'franchise' QB riding the pine, And Galloway, R Williams, Artis Hicks, (not to mention bringing in an OLDER QBfor a 2nd and 3rd) the youth movement is questionable this year.

I said results, not wins. Results isn't just one more win. It was 5 wins against good teams as well as several more close games against good teams. It's also that we stayed in a lot more games then last year and we could move the ball and score points before garbage time.

Yes, the D has regressed in many ways, but as I keep pointing out we had glaring weaknesses last year in sacks (OK, we still have that one), turnovers and inability to make key stops. And the D is in the first year of a major transformation.

As for McNabb, he's definitely an upgrade over JC, but even I have to admit with the uncertainty over his future with us a final determination on that is TBD. And youth movement was only step one. It has to continue and you don't really know how you're doing on that for a good 3 years. But we started.

Last year, we lost I think 6 games by 7 points or less. Close doesn't matter. And I don't buy into theories, I buy into actual results, like wins. Until we start gettin it done, then we don't have results IMO.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:yes, we are better then last year


How so?

A few ways include QB, OL including younger LT, cleaned out cap which would eventually drag us down, start of youth movement and most importantly: results


I'll give you the OLine and cap, but 1 more win isn't doin it. And with our 'franchise' QB riding the pine, And Galloway, R Williams, Artis Hicks, (not to mention bringing in an OLDER QBfor a 2nd and 3rd) the youth movement is questionable this year.


Ok, we know why Artis Hicks was brought in - to be a back up which is what he is. He was going to be given a chance to compete with BMW, but then BMW got the blood clots. The BIG mystery question is why Galloway.
His signing goes against pretty much all football logic except if your main goal this year is to set a tone for the foundation the coach wants for the future. Galloway most likely was a coach on the field. He also still had the speed to do a little damage ( it just didn't happen, but like in the Texans game it was there). We all know that Mike Shanahan rarely ever tells the press the truth. So when he says the goals was to win this year, we have to take that with a grain of salt. He is supposed to say that. BUT look at his personnel decisions - they point to an different priority - the biggest decision was the switch to the 3-4. If the priority was really winning this year, then the switch is not made. Dock on the bench. He is clearly better than Kory in the short run to win now. HAYNESWORTH - clearly you get the best out of him now and then ship him off at high value. Devin Thomas - You find away to use his strength, speed and height. I believe that this is why so many fans are upset. These seem to be no brainer decisions. BUT what if the coach is laying a foundation for the future. A team that wins every year for years to come like the Patriots, Steelers and Colts. As we all know Shanahan visited the Pats last year during training camp. So rest assured, Shanny has a plan. It just isn't for the short run. It is for the long run. Try looking at the long run for a change. Was the Gibbs II years really acceptable - play-offs one year and losing the next.
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USAFSkinFan wrote:I guess what's disappointing is when I look at the teams that had worse records than us last year... Detroit, Tampa, and St Louis... all 3 of them are decidedly better this year (12 more wins so far between them-should be 13 with the week 1 Lions' rob job)... all 3 of them beat us this year... and here we are with 1 more win and we haven't beaten anyone soundly... and I can't say for sure if this team is really any better... at least it's not obvious if they are... unlike the other teams I mentioned here...


None of those teams are playing their first year for their coach. None of those teams changed their offenses or defenses. How about comparing their first years with their current coach and the year before they took over then compare us to their first season with their current coach and respond back with your conclusions?


Fair enough, but that's part of the problem. We continually change core players, QBs, coaches, etc... If we can't compare ourselves to the 3 teams worse than us last year, then that's a shame.


Fortunately, the core will change again this year ( has to the talent level is not there - we are old and slow - look for more youth for next year) , but expecting to see much better results (contending for a wild card and actually outright beating some teams, and scoring more than 17 points a game) WILL be HIGHLY REASONABLE for next year.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:Last year, we lost I think 6 games by 7 points or less. Close doesn't matter. And I don't buy into theories, I buy into actual results, like wins. Until we start gettin it done, then we don't have results IMO.

As for the part that close doesn't matter, the NFL is uber competitive with every team loaded with talent, thousands of guys knocking at the door to play. If you ignore close in progress then you're just not getting it. You don't go from bad to OK and start winning, you go from bad to OK and start playing close. You have to keep going to good to start winning. You may not like it, but most things in life that aren't easy are actually like that.

And as for the stats on the final score, that's buttressed by the same irrelevant stats used to defend JC by counting his garbage time production. We were not close to winning 10 games last year, sorry. And this year we were close to winning more then 10 with two to go.
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YES.


We have changed the culture at Ashburn. Just in that aspect alone we are better.
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Yes, I would suggest that this team is BETTER than last year's team. It is not significantly better than last year's team, but I would suggest that it is marginally better.

At least this year we have a coaching staff that seems to be evaluating talent and willing to cut ties with guys who aren't getting it done (McNabb, Galloway, etc...). Considering the potential implications of the lockout/strike next year I'm surprised that we all thought they would be able to bring in a huge amount of talent last offseason.

The coaching staff has spent this year really getting an idea of what we do and don't have on the roster. I think that you'll see a major (probably better than 40%) turnover in the roster this offseason. Especially on the O-Line, and the defense.

Assuming that the CBA gets done in a reasonable time frame, I think that we'll be major players in free agency (lots of players, not so much in terms of huge names).

The fact that there is a coaching staff that we can expect to be around for a couple years, and a system for evaluating talent now makes this year a better one than last year.
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SKINFAN wrote:YES.


We have changed the culture at Ashburn. Just in that aspect alone we are better.

Good point, yes, it's certainly improved. Zorn wasn't ready for the big chair yet and guys got away with too much. No matter how much children may realize that ice cream for dinner is bad for them, if they're getting it, they don't want to give it up.
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:
SKINFAN wrote:YES.


We have changed the culture at Ashburn. Just in that aspect alone we are better.

Good point, yes, it's certainly improved. Zorn wasn't ready for the big chair yet and guys got away with too much. No matter how much children may realize that ice cream for dinner is bad for them, if they're getting it, they don't want to give it up.


I need someone to actually quantify and qualify "culture change" in tangible, substantive terms. If the meaning is that players have gone from being undisciplined to being disrespected that isn't the type of culture change that is going to improve on-field results. If the meaning is taking the few talented veteran players on the roster and changing the system to the point where none of them are able to use their talents I wouldn't call that the right type of change either. If all we have to hang our hats upon to this point as a sign of being "better" is that players aren't allowed to do whatever they want then we really haven't made much progress at all. I am also starting to hear from a few very credible sources that the team is internally divided and that many of the veterans hope to be released. That would leave the blind to lead the blind, which would be about the status quo for the Washington Redskins. Granted, Shanahan walked into a cesspool but he chose to open the door and take on the cleanup project. Thus far he's left his own crap in the corners and opened the doors to air the place out but until he pumps out the pool it will continue to have the same foul smell. I am really not seeing the progress I had expected from someone who supposedly knows what he is doing.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:Last year, we lost I think 6 games by 7 points or less. Close doesn't matter. And I don't buy into theories, I buy into actual results, like wins. Until we start gettin it done, then we don't have results IMO.

As for the part that close doesn't matter, the NFL is uber competitive with every team loaded with talent, thousands of guys knocking at the door to play. If you ignore close in progress then you're just not getting it. You don't go from bad to OK and start winning, you go from bad to OK and start playing close. You have to keep going to good to start winning. You may not like it, but most things in life that aren't easy are actually like that.

And as for the stats on the final score, that's buttressed by the same irrelevant stats used to defend JC by counting his garbage time production. We were not close to winning 10 games last year, sorry. And this year we were close to winning more then 10 with two to go.


You seem to be the one who's 'just not getting it'. Last year, we lost SEVEN games by 6 pts or less. Isn't that the closeness yo're talking about? This year we've lost FIVE games by games by that same margin with two to go. Granted we have two more games, but by your qaulification of closeness, gotten closer more last year than this year. With only one more win, I don't see much of a difference, b/c in the end, all that really matters in W-L.
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I'd say we're worse simply because our O is barely better and our D is MUCH worse.
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RayNAustin wrote:It's not the record that should be the measure of this coaching staff ... a little less good fortune early on and this team could be 1-13, or a little more good fortune could have them at 8-6.

The trouble here is really poor decision making .. poor talent evaluating .. poor personnel handling ... and the arrogance and ego that makes them believe they're right ALL OF THE TIME. This is what needs scrutiny ... not the first season win/loss numbers. You have to ask what has been done to strengthen the team going into the 2nd year? And the honest answer is NOT MUCH ... there is no NET GAIN here.. there are more holes and more question marks now than there was at the beginning of the year.

Galloway, R. Williams, Parker, Johnson? What was up with this? And then they cut Banks? (they were very lucky someone else didn't pick him up, and we were able to get him back). And I'm not going to even argue the Haynesworth fiasco ....

Even without all of that stuff, just the McNabb debacle alone is a deal breaker .... they give up two picks, and now McNabb isn't working out? How can this happen? They had 160 games of film on the guy ... and 8 games in, Boy Wonder was already lobbying for a QB switch? Either they didn't put the necessary talent around McNabb, and fit the scheme to his skill set, or they BLEW IT in their pre-trade evaluation... either way, it's all on them ... and it's a huge setback ... now, missing 2 picks and the guy that supposed to lead your team for the next 3 years is toast too? That's a triple whammy. And it's the kind of stuff that gets people fired.

The reality is, the o-line isn't showing great improvement either, possibly because a Rookie can't block 4 people, and still needs a lot of work, even after giving up a pick for Brown ... and RB is a question mark because of Torrain's health issues, and the fact that Portis is likely done, on top of needing a QB ?

Of course, it's just as bad (if not worse) on the other side of the ball ... and these guys SHOULD HAVE KNOWN that they didn't have the personnel for the 34. Yet the do it anyway, and alienate Haynesworth, and create a season long soap opera in the process .... and we don't have a viable nose tackle which is critical to running a 34 defense ... nor do we have the right LBs for the 34. Major issues in the secondary ... let's see ... what's left? Oh, we have a punter issue .. a long snapper issue and a potential kicker issue.

With missing picks ... and lots of holes to satisfy the new offense and defensive schemes .... and a coaching staff that has acted rather belligerently toward a couple of high-profile players .... (their treatment of McNabb is also renewing doubts about the handling of Fat Albert) ... I doubt the best free agents on the market will be placing the Redskins at the top of their wish lists ... who'd want to come in and deal with this train wreck and two faced coaches?

No, this is not a situation that begs "Give them a chance". What needs to happen is Shanahan 1 & 2, and Haslett need to go. Bring in a coach with a much bigger CLUE .. and a much smaller EGO, who can mend fences with Haynesworth and McNabb ...

Return to the 43 D ... that suits the Redskin current personnel ... and get your money out of Haynesworth. With the current roster, all you'd need is a solid FS, and another CB to be able to return to playing decent defense.

Use what draft picks and free agent moves you need to do to solidify the o-line, and scheme your offense around McNabb's skills. If you did this, you'd have a chance to put a much better product out there next season. But staying the course with Shanahan, and the possibility that he'll burn the #1 pick on a QB .... not much else can be expected over the next couple of years except more of the same. And, given the history thus far, there is no guarantee that they'll not blow whatever personnel moves they make in the upcoming offseason too, in which case, we might be looking at total implosion.


Do you remember Haynesworth form last season in the 4-3? Do you rmember him complaining and fueding with Blache so much that they sent him home from practice and didn't let him play in the last game. Did you read the comments from Jim Washburn, Hayneworth's D line coach in Tennessee, that it was 5 years of turmoil before he gave in (his words gave in) to Hyanesworth and let him free-lance. Let's see - Titans no Super Bowls with Hayneworth. Redskins 4-12 with Haynesworth in the 4-3. Oh by the way, Haynesworth's two All -Pro years were in contract years - one expiring contract and one franchise contract. All this guy did is expect favortism and special treatment. He was no team player. Shanahan set out to show the team that he means business and will not let one guy do what he wants to do. For a winning program in the long run, this needed to be done. You have no such characters on winning programs , like Indy, NE, and Pittsburgh. They get rid of all prima dona's and divas that do not put team first.

The Redskins could have loaded up and paid the big bucks in this past years thin FA market, but they chose to wait this one out for the deeper market coming up. They passed on Karlos Dansby, Alan Faneca and others who would have filled crital needs, but ONE THING that had to change was the culture of SPENDING - that changed. Did you notice that the front office restructured contracts namely Hall and HAynesworth to get them off the salary cap books should a cap return. They did this to poisiton themselve to get the players they want in this year's draft.


Ahh ... you don't like Haynesworth. Got it. But what I don't get is how you surmised that my post had anything to do with Albert Haynesworth. The issue isn't about Haynesworth ... it's about the coaching staff. The Haynesworth saga is simply a symptom of a much larger problem which really took form in a perceived lack of respect on both sides, progressing to a full blown battle of wills ... which did nothing to help a team in transition or a struggling defense right it's ship. Two childlike EGOS battling each other, to the detriment of the team. And both are partially responsible for the never settled impasse.

And you may take note here ... I have not, nor am I defending Albert Haynesworth's behavior. He's a selfish, immature numbskull ... however, if the NFL were to ban such types from the league, or teams chose to deal with such players in the manner the Redskins did, it's likely that the NFL would have to reduce the franchise count by a team or two. In other words ... Haynesworth isn't unique in this regard ... and there are many similar examples ... including many worse.

With that said, the handling of this rather temperamental and self absorbed fellow by Shanahan compounded the problems ... in fact, one could argue that the manner in which Shanahan chose to deal with him from the very outset PRECLUDED any possibility of a positive outcome.

Now, if Haynesworth was the ONLY example ... then one might have a case for assigning 100% blame on Albert. But given the rather clumsy, arguably disrespectful manner in which McNabb has been treated, only reinforces the view that Haynesworth was also mishandled.

Now, if you are trying to imply that Haynesworth could not have helped the Redskin D this year, nor did he contribute much last year ... you're wrong. The Redskins D last year saw a dramatic improvement in sacks by the addition of Albert .... the best total since the 3rd ranked 2004 Redskin D. This year, if the current pace continues, we'll see a double digit decline in sacks, no doubt due to Albert's absence and diminished role, to one degree or another.

The fact that the Redskins changed the defensive scheme from a 43 to a 34 was obviously going to impact Haynesworth if he was to be relegated to the nose tackle position, yet I see no evidence that the staff expended any real effort to alleviate his legitimate concerns ... they chose to take the hardline stand that he was being paid, and he was to do as he is told. And that's a legitimate bottom line position ... but not what one would call a diplomatic starting point. This was the genesis of the battle of wills that continued right up to his suspension .... along the way, Shanahan, in my view, went out of his way to punish Haynesworth for his perceived insubordination, rather than offer any path for Albert to save face. No, to the contrary, Shanahan embarrassed him with the "Conditioning Test" fiasco ... deactivated him on occasions during the season when healthy and available to contribute ... among other actions contrary to any demonstration of a desire to mend fences.

One could certainly argue that Albert brought all of this upon himself, but I think such an argument would have to ignore all of the unnecessary private and PUBLIC eye poking that in fact took place.

The McNabb situation is a completely different scenario ... however, no one can legitimately claim that McNabb was handled properly, or with proper respect , regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the coaches dissatisfaction with his on field performance. Consequently, this reinforces the view that Shanahan's mentality is that of a tactless dictator ... who views the players as pawns on his personal chess board. This behavior also suggests that his ego and image is more important than the team.

The overall view that I present regarding Shanahan is one of multiple issues ... poor judgement in talent evaluations (many examples) ... poor judgement in matching scheme to personnel (last place defense, and a struggling offense) ... and an egocentric manner in which he has chosen to implement these "Changes", exemplified by the dismissive manner he chooses to employ in player dealings.

Overall, it looks more like he's concocting a "Milkshake of Madness" than building a cohesive structure that portends good things coming on the near horizon.

My personal opinion is that he's done less with more ... than just about anyone I can recall as a Redskin coach. I also believe that his son, Kyle, is way less of a genius than is advertised.
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TCIYM wrote:
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SKINFAN wrote:YES.


We have changed the culture at Ashburn. Just in that aspect alone we are better.

Good point, yes, it's certainly improved. Zorn wasn't ready for the big chair yet and guys got away with too much. No matter how much children may realize that ice cream for dinner is bad for them, if they're getting it, they don't want to give it up.


I need someone to actually quantify and qualify "culture change" in tangible, substantive terms. If the meaning is that players have gone from being undisciplined to being disrespected that isn't the type of culture change that is going to improve on-field results. If the meaning is taking the few talented veteran players on the roster and changing the system to the point where none of them are able to use their talents I wouldn't call that the right type of change either. If all we have to hang our hats upon to this point as a sign of being "better" is that players aren't allowed to do whatever they want then we really haven't made much progress at all. I am also starting to hear from a few very credible sources that the team is internally divided and that many of the veterans hope to be released. That would leave the blind to lead the blind, which would be about the status quo for the Washington Redskins. Granted, Shanahan walked into a cesspool but he chose to open the door and take on the cleanup project. Thus far he's left his own crap in the corners and opened the doors to air the place out but until he pumps out the pool it will continue to have the same foul smell. I am really not seeing the progress I had expected from someone who supposedly knows what he is doing.


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KazooSkinsFan wrote:Yes, the D has regressed in many ways, but as I keep pointing out we had glaring weaknesses last year in sacks (OK, we still have that one), turnovers and inability to make key stops. And the D is in the first year of a major transformation.


Sacks? Last year, we had 40, which tied us for 8th. That's not a glaring weakness, that's a strength.

This year, tied for 26th with 25 sacks so far. Now that, I agree, is a glaring weakness.

Now we have more turnovers caused than last year; 25 this year, compared to 17 for all of last year. Notably, however, the rate of obtaining turnovers has significantly decreased as the year has gone by. The last 5 games, the Skins defense has forced 5 turnovers...putting it at basically the same pace as last year's 17 in 16 games.

More yards allowed. Check. More points allowed. Check. Less Sacks. Check.

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KazooSkinsFan wrote:Yes, the D has regressed in many ways, but as I keep pointing out we had glaring weaknesses last year in sacks (OK, we still have that one), turnovers and inability to make key stops. And the D is in the first year of a major transformation.


Sacks? Last year, we had 40, which tied us for 8th. That's not a glaring weakness, that's a strength.

This year, tied for 26th with 25 sacks so far. Now that, I agree, is a glaring weakness.

Now we have more turnovers caused than last year; 25 this year, compared to 17 for all of last year. Notably, however, the rate of obtaining turnovers has significantly decreased as the year has gone by. The last 5 games, the Skins defense has forced 5 turnovers...putting it at basically the same pace as last year's 17 in 16 games.

More yards allowed. Check. More points allowed. Check. Less Sacks. Check.

Working wonderfully!

I agree with what you're saying, but it doesn't refute my point which was that we had reasons to address the defense. I didn't argue nor to I believe the D is better then last year. I argued that while statistically good, there were some glaring weaknesses. Arguing a D we'd played for years was better then one we've played for less this one is true, but not counter to anything I argued.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:You seem to be the one who's 'just not getting it'. Last year, we lost SEVEN games by 6 pts or less. Isn't that the closeness yo're talking about? This year we've lost FIVE games by games by that same margin with two to go. Granted we have two more games, but by your qaulification of closeness, gotten closer more last year than this year. With only one more win, I don't see much of a difference, b/c in the end, all that really matters in W-L.

Again, this year we stayed in games except two until late. Last year some that were out of hand got closer at the end when the D loosened up. But in the end, I watched every play of every game last year in HD on DVR, including KC which I'd accidentally seen the score for and I knew we were going to be upset. If you seriously can tell me you in no way see that our O was better this year then last year then I don't know what to tell you. Last year we were just over and over shut down on O and when we did move it got shut down inside the 20. This year, frustration on O? Yes. Like last year? No.
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TCIYM wrote: I am also starting to hear from a few very credible sources that the team is internally divided and that many of the veterans hope to be released


Don't worry about that. A lot of these vets will get what they hope for. Like we have "many" veterans that we can ill afford to lose - the old and slow Redskins. C'mon TCIYM. do you have to reach that deep into the negative pot. I am with you that Shanahan leaves the door open for criticism, but you are reaching here. Check out the Eagles roster - young and fast who don't go around crying that Andy Reid burst into the defensive meeting and chewed up their behinds for losing to the Redskins the first game. The Eagles defense's response - you know what happened.

If you are insuating that Shanahan is on the verge of losing the locker room, stop. The media would be all over that like they were with Vikings. Skins would be talking and not just to your very credible sources. Here's one from DeAngelo Hall - guys who don't buy into Mike's work ethic won't be one of the 53 guys around next year (my paraphrase). The ones that don't buy in are the guys your sources are talking about and like I said they will get what they hoped for. The culture of whining and crying is going to change around Redskin Park and it will be not without pain. Look for faster and younger and hungrier players to replace them.
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We're definitely a better team this year, but this offseason poses almost as many challenges as last year. Would've been nice has the McNabb experiment not exploded, but we'll have a chance to recover even from that.
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Shanahan says McNabb would be welcomed back next season ..... as a backup. Again, stick foot in mouth, and slam the door shut with your hand still in the jamb?

Rex had a good game against the Cowboys .... probably one of his best performances of his entire career. But this was, afterall, a Cowboys defense that let almost EVERYONE score 30 points. Will the old Rex Grossman show up for the final two games? You know ... Mr. "Fumble twice, and throw three horrendous picks" Grossman ? If so, what then? Beck? A Rookie draft pick?

This guy just doesn't quit. Why further insult McNabb unless 1 game convinced him that Grossman is the undisputed starter next year? This makes no sense whatsoever. Wouldn't it be wise to see what happens over the next two games ... and where the Redskins wind up in the draft ... and who is likely to be available at that spot?

And, for the crowd who have spent the last 4 years claiming that QBs need at least 2-3 years in the same offense before judging them .... McNabb got 13 games ... but was apparently on the bubble after 8? Does that make sense?

Wouldn't it have been wise just to stick to the story ... "We need to evaluate the other two QBs" for offseason evaluation, and next year's roster will be determined in the offseason, not now, with two games to left to play" ?

If nothing else ... this further diminishes McNabb's value or any potential that we might work a deal for him? Obviously, we aren't going to exercise the contract option at the current figure for a backup.

I swear ... this staff is just one idiotic move after another. I wonder what JJ is paying this guy on the side to blow up the Redskins?
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So basically Shannahan's the new JC?
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