Is Santana Moss a Keeper?

welch · Post by **welch** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:58 pm

Can't name a better receiver. Until the Redskins have one or two or three WRs better than Moss, he should stay.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:04 pm

welch wrote:Can't name a better receiver. Until the Redskins have one or two or three WRs better than Moss, he should stay.

I know, for several years now he and Cool

ey have been our only consistent receiving targets, which means they're the ones some on the Hogs some keep making them targets to get rid of. How many trade Cool

ey threads have their been? I'm looking for the trade Orakpo threads next, I wonder what we can get for him???

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:37 pm

Moss should have been a Pro Bowler this season. He got gooned. Hakeem Nicks should have gone over Jackson, Jennings or Johnson.

TCIYM · Post by **TCIYM** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:46 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:Moss should have been a Pro Bowler this season. He got gooned. Hakeem Nicks should have gone over Jackson, Jennings or Johnson.

In a perfect world Pro Bowlers would be picked exclusively by the players and coaching staffs. In this world the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest.

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:07 pm

Santana will have a tough time asking for big time money if the team brings in a true #1. He would see less than he does now. I have a feeling they will make it work and I hope they do. Most of the complaints on Santana appear to be work ethic not talent, I don't think anyone can deny the talent is there.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:11 am

TCIYM wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:Moss should have been a Pro Bowler this season. He got gooned. Hakeem Nicks should have gone over Jackson, Jennings or Johnson.

In a perfect world Pro Bowlers would be picked exclusively by the players and coaching staffs. In this world the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest.

Fan voting is only a third of the vote! So players and Coaches make up 2/3s. This means fans can vote any stupid way they want and the coaches and players have the majority vote!

Fan voting amounts to just making the fans feel better. They "feel" like they have an input, while actually they have a minority vote that really gets blown out of proportion by the media.

The players and coaches have the majority vote, so if they are on the same page they make the fan vote all but meaningless. The problem is, they vote about the same way as the fan. They put very little thought into into, because they really don't have time to and they vote on either a name or a guy that really hurt them that year.

The system is flawed, but I think it is the best system for picking all stars. I would like to add team GMs and media to the voting and give everyone 20% of the vote. That would still give football people the majority but it would add two groups that get paid to watch more football than just opponents on their schedule.

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:20 am

chiefhog44 wrote:hopefully like the Patriots or the Ravens, a contract is extended to him that meats our goals not his. If he wants to find a team that offers more, then leave. If he wants to stay for less, then so be it.

I'm with you on that chief. I just wish we can say, come stay and help us get in the "bowl" or go and watch us get in the "bowl" like those two teams can. =) In a few years we will be able to say that but not right now.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:29 pm

Another article on Moss:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/20 ... ot-unknown

Talent and production wise, he is a keeper, but it will come down to salary negotiations. I am sure that he won't take a pay cut.

How much is he making this year? Where does that rank with the top wide outs in the league?

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:09 pm

Red_One43 wrote:Another article on Moss:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/20 ... ot-unknown

Talent and production wise, he is a keeper, but it will come down to salary negotiations. I am sure that he won't take a pay cut.

How much is he making this year? Where does that rank with the top wide outs in the league?

According to the sallary cap numbers on this site:

http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/salary.php

he is making 3.7M base sallary and 6.7M w/bonuses.

He is in the top ten in a lot of major WR categories

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:17 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:
Red_One43 wrote:Another article on Moss:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/20 ... ot-unknown

Talent and production wise, he is a keeper, but it will come down to salary negotiations. I am sure that he won't take a pay cut.

How much is he making this year? Where does that rank with the top wide outs in the league?

According to the sallary cap numbers on this site:

http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/salary.php

he is making 3.7M base sallary and 6.7M w/bonuses.

He is in the top ten in a lot of major WR categories

Oh, I thought he was in the 8 million range. I am thinking that he will not command much more on the open market. I would have to say at that price plus a healthy raise, he is worth keeping.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:32 pm

TCIYM wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:Moss should have been a Pro Bowler this season. He got gooned. Hakeem Nicks should have gone over Jackson, Jennings or Johnson.

In a perfect world Pro Bowlers would be picked exclusively by the players and coaching staffs. In this world the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest.

I totally disagree that the players in particular make it less of a popularity contest. They are heavily weighted by who they like. It's just their popularity over the fans. Coaches maybe less so but still I don't think there is a "perfect world." Anyway, while it's not satisfying to fans to it being a popularity contest, since the NFL is business that may be the best solution for it.

TCIYM · Post by **TCIYM** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:49 pm

Santana Moss on @espnradio980:

"I'm a Redskin. I don't see it no other way. My heart's here."

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:38 pm

mastdark81 wrote:I hope Moss can come back at the right price. He has admitted to not practicing as hard in the offseason and I believe he has not been in the best of shape the past few years....similar to how Portis was. Lack of conditioning equals lack of focus, which equal drop passes.

Great number two guy right now.

I think and hope we keep Moss at the "right price" also - He would be ideal as our #2 WR - we need a real #1 WR but Moss as a #2 WR would be even more dangerous than he is as a #1 WR

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:52 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:Fan voting is only a third of the vote! So players and Coaches make up 2/3s. This means fans can vote any stupid way they want and the coaches and players have the majority vote!

Unfortunately "coaches and players" isn't one homogeneous unit, and their votes get spread out over a large number of players. 33% of the vote is very significant and can swing things in one way or the other — and if anything it swings in the direction of mainstream popularity.

Case in point:

The players and coaches have the majority vote, so if they are on the same page they make the fan vote all but meaningless.

You are dreaming if you think they are.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:15 pm

I don't see Moss asking for a bunch of money but I don't know the man personally. I hope he doesn't.. I want him to retire a Redskin. I know I know, my loyalty is stupid but I love the guy and that cowboy game in texas made him a Skin4life in my opinion.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:57 pm

Yes, he's a keeper.

TCIYM · Post by **TCIYM** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:53 pm

Only Atlanta's Roddy White topped Redskins' Santana Moss in catches, yards AND TDs. But Moss isn't even a Pro Bowl alternate? Ridiculous.

And we have to discuss whether or not Moss is a keeper? :lol:

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:59 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
mastdark81 wrote:I hope Moss can come back at the right price. He has admitted to not practicing as hard in the offseason and I believe he has not been in the best of shape the past few years....similar to how Portis was. Lack of conditioning equals lack of focus, which equal drop passes.

Great number two guy right now.

I think and hope we keep Moss at the "right price" also - He would be ideal as our #2 WR - we need a real #1 WR but Moss as a #2 WR would be even more dangerous than he is as a #1 WR

This "real #1" talk doesn't really make any sense. What we need is a wide receiver that can complement Moss and AA. Specifically, we need a big, physical "possession" type wide receiver.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:43 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:This "real #1" talk doesn't really make any sense. What we need is a wide receiver that can complement Moss and AA. Specifically, we need a big, physical "possession" type wide receiver.

I understand what your saying - I find a lot of posters here that "don't really make any sense" - makes me feel that I know something
AND I also feel pretty stupid around the guys that do make sense, but that's not often :twisted:

anyway - I love Moss as a WR but think that he'd have much better production in yards and receptions playing as the slot receiver (or #2 WR) as long as we could find a big physical "possession" type WR to play as the #1 WR
I could care less if the new guy caught no passes as long as we got the double teaming off of Moss & allowed him to be the special WR that he is :lol:

see, that wasn't so hard to understand :lol:

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:42 pm

Probably one of the top 2 or 3 slot receivers in the NFL.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:03 pm

love how they're playing him out of the slot recently. Hope they re-sign him

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:44 pm

chiefhog44 wrote:love how they're playing him out of the slot recently. Hope they re-sign him

That's clearly where he belongs.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:12 am

I think Moss is here and I think we'll see a lot more production from our passing game

we just need to find a good big guy AND get better pass protection :lol:

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