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Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:IF as is expected, Kyle and Rex do not have a very good time against this defense then Kyle's job as well as Grossman's status has to also be in question next year

That won't happen. Kyle is the HC'skid and Rex is Kyle's buddy from Houston. Neither of them are going anywhere. That's why I don't like having more than one member of a family on a coaching staff. Especially kids of the HC.

Ok, normally I would agree with this. I did hear from Sonny though on espn radio that this was a typical call from a offensive coordinator. So, they do this all the time Sonny was saying and because he is his son doesn't make any difference. Another words forget the bloodline for a minute. Those were not his exact quotes but pretty close to it.

welch wrote:I doubt that one draft position more or less really matters. Shanahan wants to win. I was baffled by his benching of McNabb, but now I'm just generally baffled.

(Nothing new, of course!)

It does matter. It is the difference between getting Orakpo or not. Think of it like that. I don't want to lose ever, but 1 lose makes a difference in the long term for all.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:One fumble, two INT's, three hundred passing yards, and four TD passes...didn't look like they were trying to lose any more than usual to me.

Agreed. I think this team got EXACTLY what it needed today.... (and I'll admit I was wrong thinking we'd go out there and just play out the string)

PROOF that Kyle's offense has some teeth to it when properly executed. Proof that we have a quality Backup QB in Rex Grossman who can run this offense if necessary. We also saw Donovan "Done" McEagle get his nose rubbed in his poo by Rex and Kyle and Mike. The defense also showed that when it is aggressive it can make some plays. Not ALL of the plays, but some of them; and showed that we do have some talent on that side of the ball. The ST is the only group I was really disappointed in today.

Oh, and we still lost, which will still help our Draft Position.

For most of your post you hit the nail on the head. Kyle has gotten plays open for both QBs. I saw Rex miss an open receiver and almost got intercepted for it. The play was there and I expect it has been that way for our great DNAB!!!! Let's face it. #5 is humane and needs help to be who some thought he would be. This one game proved it. Even if Rex comes out and looks like crap, I have to say that the plays are there. He proved that Kyle really is running plays after all. I have seen it all year. WIDE OPEN!!!!

Kilmer72 wrote:

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:One fumble, two INT's, three hundred passing yards, and four TD passes...didn't look like they were trying to lose any more than usual to me.

Agreed. I think this team got EXACTLY what it needed today.... (and I'll admit I was wrong thinking we'd go out there and just play out the string)

PROOF that Kyle's offense has some teeth to it when properly executed. Proof that we have a quality Backup QB in Rex Grossman who can run this offense if necessary. We also saw Donovan "Done" McEagle get his nose rubbed in his poo by Rex and Kyle and Mike. The defense also showed that when it is aggressive it can make some plays. Not ALL of the plays, but some of them; and showed that we do have some talent on that side of the ball. The ST is the only group I was really disappointed in today.

Oh, and we still lost, which will still help our Draft Position.

For most of your post you hit the nail on the head. Kyle has gotten plays open for both QBs. I saw Rex miss an open receiver and almost got intercepted for it. The play was there and I expect it has been that way for our great DNAB!!!! Let's face it. #5 is humane and needs help to be who some thought he would be. This one game proved it. Even if Rex comes out and looks like crap, I have to say that the plays are there. He proved that Kyle really is running plays after all. I have seen it all year. WIDE OPEN!!!!

Now daddy is another story. I still do not think he is anything better than any other coach without John Elway.

They story I heard was that McNabb's play on the field was hampering the Redskins ability to evaluate the rest of the offense. We would get too far behind early due to mistakes and McNabb would make and we'd have to abandon the running game. He would skip balls to receivers in the flat combined with him holding the ball too long so we couldn't get a good picture of the tight ends and backs pass catching abilities because they were either staying in to block or getting bad throws.

Grossman showed what a lot of hard work could do. He gives 100% in practice and is one of those backup quarterbacks who prepares like he's going to start every game. He knows the offense like the back of his hand, and the progression system here where you look deep, middle and short seems to suit him. It's much more like his college offense if you recall. Makes you wonder if we had gotten Rexy in the Spurrier era if things might have gone differently for the ol ball coach.

Skinsfan55 wrote:They story I heard was that McNabb's play on the field was hampering the Redskins ability to evaluate the rest of the offense. We would get too far behind early due to mistakes and McNabb would make and we'd have to abandon the running game.

Please explain, then, why they abandoned the running game in the second half against Tampa Bay...

Grossman showed he's got a good handle on this offense and I understand that he's been practicing hard - however, Grossman didn't do enough in my book to make me feel that he's good enough to be a really good QB - he's another good back-up - Grossman gets very lucky but that's not going to get you much in the NFL with the quality of defenses you play against


we will be getting a starting QB

SkinsJock wrote:Grossman showed he's got a good handle on this offense and I understand that he's been practicing hard - however, Grossman didn't do enough in my book to make me feel that he's good enough to be a really good QB - he's another good back-up - Grossman gets very lucky but that's not going to get you much in the NFL with the quality of defenses you play against


we will be getting a starting QB

I would also note that he is a reasonably competent quarterback, on whom there is virtually no recent game film. That makes defensive game planning a little more difficult. We will know more with each of the next two games, as our opponents learn more about the current version of sexy Rexy...

Countertrey wrote:An excellent characterization... and exactly what I have a problem with. It will forever color my impressions of this coaching staff.

Thank you. Now that's exactly what I'm looking for from the coaching staff. How do you train a puppy that it's not supposed to poop in the kitchen?.... You rub its nose in the poo and smack it on the ass with the rolled up newspaper. My only problem is that it wasn't done 8 weeks ago.

I'm of the opinion that the Coaching Staff is GOD. The players are just there to do what the heck they're told to do.

SkinsJock wrote:I just don't think that their thinking or game planning has anything to do with the draft - they want this team to win each and every game AND they're trying to evaluate players to get to the goals that they have set

I completely disagree that Mike will "protect" his son or that he will let Kyle play favourites - I just don't agree with those assumptions


Bruce and Mike will get this franchise back to playing consistently good football each week and they will use whatever coaches and players give them the best chance to achieve that

You don't think that MS will protect his son and fire him if he underperforms???? Come on, get real.

You have a ton of optimism for a couple guys that really haven't shown this franchise much to cheer about this year. Good for you, but I'll believe it when I see it.

markshark84 wrote:You don't think that MS will protect his son and fire him if he underperforms???? Come on, get real.

You have a ton of optimism for a couple guys that really haven't shown this franchise much to cheer about this year. Good for you, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Dan Snyder isn't exactly known for his Job-like patience. My thought is that the decision will be made for him if it comes to that. I am venturing The Danny expects to see a marked improvement next season or he will be calling every available head coach who doesn't demand full personnel control. We can't have any more two draft pick mistakes.

Was the OP of this thread serious? Did people actually agree that the coaching staff would intentionally lose games for draft purposes?

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

Countertrey wrote:An excellent characterization... and exactly what I have a problem with. It will forever color my impressions of this coaching staff.

Thank you. Now that's exactly what I'm looking for from the coaching staff. How do you train a puppy that it's not supposed to poop in the kitchen?.... You rub its nose in the poo and smack it on the ass with the rolled up newspaper. My only problem is that it wasn't done 8 weeks ago.

I'm of the opinion that the Coaching Staff is GOD. The players are just there to do what the heck they're told to do.

Mcnabb's not a puppy anymore.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:How do you train a puppy that it's not supposed to poop in the kitchen?.... You rub its nose in the poo and smack it on the ass with the rolled up newspaper

You've never had a dog, have you? That's not how you do it. In fact it wouldn't work at all, you would only confuse the dog. You may want to question the conclusion since your premise was faulty.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Mcnabb's not a puppy anymore.

Is that why he's not afraid to go to Michael Vick's house anymore?

VetSkinsFan wrote:Mcnabb's not a puppy anymore.

Maybe not, but I'll be polite enough not to discuss what I'd do with an older dog who can't learn not to poop in the kitchen after almost a full year in the house. I don't care what the dog did in its previous home, that's not acceptable in my house and that issue would have been fixed long before it reached that level in my home.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:You've never had a dog, have you? That's not how you do it. In fact it wouldn't work at all, you would only confuse the dog. You may want to question the conclusion since your premise was faulty.

I've had several dogs, a couple cats and been involved in the upkeep of 4 horses over the years.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Maybe not, but I'll be polite enough not to discuss what I'd do with an older dog who can't learn not to poop in the kitchen after almost a full year in the house. I don't care what the dog did in its previous home, that's not acceptable in my house and that issue would have been fixed long before it reached that level in my home.

You adopted an old dog so you could teach it new tricks?

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:You've never had a dog, have you? That's not how you do it. In fact it wouldn't work at all, you would only confuse the dog. You may want to question the conclusion since your premise was faulty.

I've had several dogs, a couple cats and been involved in the upkeep of 4 horses over the years.

You've had several dogs and that's how you think you train them? You have to catch the dog in the act, BTW. If you stick his nose in it, it has no idea why you're doing that. Dogs don't make that connection that you don't want them to poop there. It may make you feel better to have punished the dog, but you're not training it which was the point you made.

TCIYM wrote:You adopted an old dog so you could teach it new tricks?

Nope. No new tricks. Just reinforcing tricks (like peeing/pooping outside) that it was supposed to already know.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:don't make that connection that you don't want them to poop there. It may make you feel better to have punished the dog, but you're not training it which was the point you made.

I'm a huge believer in PUNISHMENT as a means to change behavior in people, and to a lesser degree in animals as well.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:don't make that connection that you don't want them to poop there. It may make you feel better to have punished the dog, but you're not training it which was the point you made.

I'm a huge believer in PUNISHMENT as a means to change behavior in people, and to a lesser degree in animals as well.

That's fine. But you referred to how you train dogs. I'm just pointing out that you were punishing the dog, you weren't training it because the dog had no idea why you stuck it's nose in the crap and therefore you weren't training it to do anything since it didn't know what you wanted it to do

KazooSkinsFan wrote:That's fine. But you referred to how you train dogs. I'm just pointing out that you were punishing the dog, you weren't training it because the dog had no idea why you stuck it's nose in the crap and therefore you weren't training it to do anything since it didn't know what you wanted it to do

You say Po-tA-to I say Po-ta-to, let's call the whole thing off. Punishment and training are really pretty much the same thing as I see it. Pain and Fear are really the only two seriously motivating factors in life.

I'm for starting different guys almost everywhere - like that O-line that we played against the Titans. But we should try to win with whatever guys we play.

BTW - whom do you think we are likely to pass in draft position if we lose out? It could be no one.

DarthMonk

Justice Hog wrote:Do you really want to know why Shanahan & Co. have decided to start Grossman over McNabb?

They're writing the rest of the year off.

They WANT to lose every game for the rest of the year so they can get a high draft pick next year and, perhaps, draft a stud QB for this franchise moving forward.

How do you folks like this plan?

I just don't agree with the thought that the coaches OR FO people we have are at all concerned about the draft position OR could even consider that it would be better to evaluate players with the "idea" that even if we lose all the games we get to evaluate some players AND the upside is we could possibly "help" our draft position

no way

I think that we'll find someone to help us in the next draft in the first round no matter where we pick - I have faith that this FO can find a good player anywhere in the top 12 which is where we'll almost certainly be picking

we have so many needs that we're almost certainly helping our franchise no matter where we pick