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skins2357 wrote:Im watching the same games as you there bud. If the double TE set is being run, then it sure is not being done very well. Davis has not been catching balls at all until recently. In the first part of the season, you rarely saw Davis' name at all, and I did not notice him on the field very often. If I am wrong so be it, but I dont think we run the double TE set as much as other teams who have LESS talent then we have there. Anyway, thats something totally different.

Your question about why to trade a Pro Bowl player for a pick that has potential is unreal. I thought I had answered this question numerous times. Ill try again.

If this is your argument about the drafted player not being as good as the player you trade, then why do teams do it all the time? It would not be the 1st time a player has been traded for picks. Do you think a GM says "You know, if we get a 2nd rounder for this player, that 2nd rounder might be a bust". Nope, they trust that they can find a future starter in the 2nd round. If we traded ey, will our 2nd rounder be as good as ey? Maybe not. But that pick will hopefully solidify another position, and with Davis as the new TE, the drop off in talent might not be that noticable. Now if we had noone under ey, thats different. But we do, and he proved last year he can be just as effective as ey (numbers wise), and Paulsen has played decent when given the chance as a blocking TE. You would think as a rookie, he continues to improve

Ive got to side with Skins2357 .. to say you cant trade a player for a draft pick because that draft pick might not be as good is ridiculous.. While that is a possibility its also a possibility that the kid you pick up in the 2nd round or any round for that matter will be better than the player traded for the pick.. If you never trade players for draft picks or other players how does your team improve? whats the point of GMs really?.. that means we should never let any FA's leave because the guy we bring into replace them MIGHT not be better .. so since Moss has been ok we better keep him till he retires and every other player too.. Rabach has been taking alot of heat and people want him gone but what if we cut him and his replacement is worse? whelp lets keep him till he retires too that way we KNOW that we arent replacing any player with another that has the potential to be worse..

like many of you I'm a HUGE ey fan but I'm an even bigger Redskins fan.. I want to see this team improve and eventually become a consistent winner just like I know all of you do .. but the fact is we are the OLDEST team in the NFL and we are one of the WORST teams for that matter too.. you can throw the record in my face of 5-7 which is better than more than a few teams and the fact that we have a few qaulity wins but fact of the matter is we are ranked near the bottom or at the bottom of the NFL in offense and defense and we have no real young talent ready to help improve those numbers on the horizion.. What we do have is a few players in there prime who we might be able to use to acquire some young talent for the future and Im all for anything that will help this team get younger..

having a team that is "rebuilding" but yet is the oldest team in the NFL just doesnt translate into a winning team IMO.. We are a couple years away still and it sucks to say it or even think it but from what I see its true and with that why not get value for the guys that have value and who by the time we get this thing right will be at the end of their careers anyway just because they are "core" Redskins and fan favorites or because since they have been here through the bad they deserve to be here for the good.. the NFL is a buisness its not about making sure a player who was good for you when you were bad is on your team when your good.

skins2357 wrote:But when you have a younger, cheaper player who should be as good, if not better then ey then yes you do move him. There are countless examples of this in the NFL of teams moving their star, pro bowl player in the prime of their career to obtain draft picks, simply because they have a young buck with just as much talent waiting their turn.

Davis proved last year he could put up the same numbers, IF NOT BETTER, then ey. I know eys a pro bowler and all, but Davis' numbers would not be far behind, if at all, given a full season as the starting TE. You can look at his year last season, playing in an offense just as bad as this year, and make your own conclusions about what his (Davis) final numbers would have been had he played the whole season.

skins2357 wrote:There are countless examples of this in the NFL of teams moving their star, pro bowl player in the prime of their career to obtain draft picks, simply because they have a young buck with just as much talent waiting their turn.

Davis proved last year he could put up the same numbers, IF NOT BETTER, then ey.

Deadskins wrote:And ey has set franchise records and consistently led the team in receptions. I don't agree that Davis has shown that type of promise.

skins2357 wrote:Dude and its such a reach for you to say that trading ey would make our team a "total disaster". We would get a pick for him who hopefully would solidify another area, and Davis has the potential to blossom as apro bowl TE. To say that this trade would make the skins a "total disaster" is a stretch.

All I am doing is trying to obtain picks to revamp this O Line. A 2nd rounder could be/should be a starting OC or OG near the top of the rankings at their position. You solidify your O Line, the ENTIRE offense flourishes. That should be our focus to how to move forward from this state, rebuild and retool the offensive line with young, solid players. Just my 2 cents

skins2357 wrote:Dude and its such a reach for you to say that trading ey would make our team a "total disaster". We would get a pick for him who hopefully would solidify another area, and Davis has the potential to blossom as apro bowl TE. To say that this trade would make the skins a "total disaster" is a stretch.

All I am doing is trying to obtain picks to revamp this O Line. A 2nd rounder could be/should be a starting OC or OG near the top of the rankings at their position. You solidify your O Line, the ENTIRE offense flourishes. That should be our focus to how to move forward from this state, rebuild and retool the offensive line with young, solid players. Just my 2 cents

skins2357 wrote:gotcha. I was using Shockey as a comparable trade. I feel like the jump from 2nd to 3rd round is huge. A 2nd rounder is usually a legit starter (unless its Vinny drafting), a 3rd rounder is a crap shoot.