Hey McNugget...

[CanesSkins26]

The problem is that Shanahan doesn't have Bobby Beathard to provide him the players that he needs to get the job done

If you're saying Bruce hasn't shown he is the guy yet I'd agree with you, but if you're saying you've determined he's not, it seems a bit premature to say that.

I haven't determined that he isn't, but most signs point to Allen not being that guy. And it's not really his role either. Shanny is the main player personnel guy for the Skins and that is a problem. He has shown throughout his career that he is not good in that role.

As for Allen, he is a contracts guy. He is not a player personnel guy. That's not really his role with the team. He deals with the financials.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

All I could think about following yesterday's game was:

"Rush was spot on about McNabb."

The man IS overrated.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

All I could think about following yesterday's game was:

"Rush was spot on about McNabb."

The man IS overrated.

...and someone needs to take personnel decisions away from Shanny.

Clearly, he picked the wrong Eagles QB to poach during the offseason.

Epic fail.

[KazooSkinsFan]

All I could think about following yesterday's game was:

"Rush was spot on about McNabb."

The man IS overrated.

...and someone needs to take personnel decisions away from Shanny.

Clearly, he picked the wrong Eagles QB to poach during the offseason.

Epic fail.

So are you starting a "Rush for GM" campaign?

[aswas71788]

Three turnovers for McNabb today. Also, it's 10 straight games with an INT for him. Yeah, this guy is SO much better than Jason Campbell.

Yeah ... Jason was not only a great QB ... but played very good defense too

I hope you said that with sarcasm. Campbell was not and never will be a great quarterback. If he was here, I doubt that the Redskins would even have 5 wins.

Uh it's RayNAustin. Dude hates Campbell with a passion.

Nope, I don't hate Campbell with a passion or otherwise. He is just not a great quarterback.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

All I could think about following yesterday's game was:

"Rush was spot on about McNabb."

The man IS overrated.

...and someone needs to take personnel decisions away from Shanny.

Clearly, he picked the wrong Eagles QB to poach during the offseason.

Epic fail.

So are you starting a "Rush for GM" campaign?

He's right 99.976% of the time!

[The Hogster]

All I could think about following yesterday's game was:

"Rush was spot on about McNabb."

The man IS overrated.

...and someone needs to take personnel decisions away from Shanny.

Clearly, he picked the wrong Eagles QB to poach during the offseason.

Epic fail.

So are you starting a "Rush for GM" campaign?

He's right 99.976% of the time!

Rush was not right on McNabb. If anyone knows what he said about McNabb they know that it was a load of B.S., especially at the time those comments were made.



The only thing Rush is good at is preying on weak angry Americans who view him as their spokesperson for things they're scared to say themselves. That doesn't make him "right" it makes him a smart businessman. Big difference.

[tribeofjudah]

Are we talkin about Rush Limbaugh???? I am a west coaster....Who knew that Rush was into football??? not me. I don't really listen to him even though he is popular.

I like Bill OReilly better....hehehe

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Rush was not right on McNabb. If anyone knows what he said about McNabb they know that it was a load of B.S., especially at the time those comments were made.

Thanks to the internet, we all know exactly what he said:

Rush Limbaugh's Comments on ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown
September 28, 2003

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: I've been listening to all of you guys, actually, and I think the sum total of what you're all saying is that Donovan McNabb is regressing, is going backwards --

TOM JACKSON: Mmm-hmm. (Nodding)

RUSH: -- and my... I'm sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well.

TOM JACKSON: Mmm-hmm. (Nodding)

MICHAEL IRVIN: (Nodding)
RUSH: I think there is a lot of hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't really deserve. The defense carried this team, I think.

TOM JACKSON: But Rush -- But Rush somebody went to those championship games.

RUSH: Oh, they "went."

TOM JACKSON: Somebody made those plays that I saw running down the field, doing it with his legs, doing it with his arm. He has been a very effective quarterback for this football team over the last two or three years

RUSH: Yeah, but you take

TOM JACKSON: -- and they didn't have any more talent then than they do now.

RUSH: Oh yes they did: on defense. On defense, they did.

MICHAEL IRVIN: (Nodding)

TOM JACKSON: (Nodding) Oh, on defense they did. I'm talking on the offense side of the ball.

RUSH: Well, that's what I'm saying. I think he got a lot of credit for the defensive side of the ball winning games for this team.

STEVE YOUNG: But I'll tell you what. I'll say it even more strongly, Tom. When they're winning, nobody makes more plays --

TOM JACKSON: Right.

STEVE YOUNG: -- with his arm than Donnvan McNabb. That guy is one of the best in the league at making plays, BUT making plays does not win championships. Running the offense does. So at some point --

TOM JACKSON: Gotta run the offense.

STEVE YOUNG: -- I think that Koy Detmer looks like a better option because he'll go in there, drop back, and throw the ball correctly.

CHRIS BERMAN: Isn't it odd that last year with the broken leg I know it was Arizona but the one time he was in the pocket he looked great. Right?

STEVE YOUNG: He had to run that offense.

TOM JACKSON: So Rush, once you make that investment though once you make that investment in him, that's a done deal.

RUSH: I'm saying it's a good investment. Don't misunderstand. I just don't think he's as good as everybody says he has been.
MICHAEL IRVIN: Rush has a point.
STEVE YOUNG: Well, he (McNabb) certainly hasn't matured.

MICHAEL IRVIN: Rush has a point.
END TRANSCRIPT

After reviewing the entire transcript, I have to admit that I agree with Steve young and...gasp...Michael Irvin (?).

And that Berman guy MAY be on to something.

Perhaps we oughta break one of McFlabb's legs, so he can look spectacular again!!

Hey, it worked for Ben Roethelisberger last night VS the Ravens!

[The Hogster]

RUSH: -- and my... I'm sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well.

And, this is the so-called "truth" you are referring to? Get real. McNabb was never all that good and the reason why he gets credit is because there is a "little social concern" that the "media" wanted to see a black QB do well?? so they over hyped McNabb because he's black?

This can't be the truth you are referring to.

Steve McNair did well. Warren Moon did well. Randall Cunningham did well. Michael Vick did well. The media was no more gratuitous to McNabb because he's black. It's because his teams won consistently and dominated this division and at times the entire NFC. Put simply, he WON games. Winners get credit, especially QBs. Do they get too much credit? Sure. But, that's not what your guy Rush said.

He said McNabb is different. He got credit because there was a social agenda to prop up an undeserving black Quarterback because he's black. I suppose the Wins were not apart of it. Typical Rush....everything is a liberal, affirmative action agenda. But, if that's what you subscribe to. Carry on.

I also find it telling that you highlighted mainly parts of the transcript that were not Rush's comments, and you shy away from the controversial part of what he said. The part that ultimately cost him his job on the show. Or as you call it, the truth.

[KazooSkinsFan]

He said McNabb is different. He got credit because there was a social agenda to prop up an undeserving black Quarterback because he's black. I suppose the Wins were not apart of it. Typical Rush....everything is a liberal, affirmative action agenda. But, if that's what you subscribe to. Carry on.

I also find it telling that you highlighted mainly parts of the transcript that were not Rush's comments, yet you shy away from the controversial part of what he said. The part that ultimately cost him his job on the show.

I didn't agree with Rush about McNabb, but then again he's owned the Redskins. Isn't it funny he got fired by the sports media he criticized because they preferred to that rather then actually respond to his point? I love irony. That the fired him gives his view credibility. There's no reason his view couldn't have been debated. There are a lot on this site who think McNabb's a lot worse then Rush does.

[markshark84]

RUSH: -- and my... I'm sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well.

And, this is the so-called "truth" you are referring to? Get real. McNabb was never all that good and the reason why he gets credit is because there is a "little social concern" that the "media" wanted to see a black QB do well?? so they over hyped McNabb because he's black?

This can't be the truth you are referring to.

Steve McNair did well. Warren Moon did well. Randall Cunningham did well. Michael Vick did well. The media was no more gratuitous to McNabb because he's black. It's because his teams won consistently and dominated this division and at times the entire NFC. Put simply, he WON games. Winners get credit, especially QBs. Do they get too much credit? Sure. But, that's not what your guy Rush said.

He said McNabb is different. He got credit because there was a social agenda to prop up an undeserving black Quarterback because he's black. I suppose the Wins were not apart of it. Typical Rush....everything is a liberal, affirmative action agenda. But, if that's what you subscribe to. Carry on.

I also find it telling that you highlighted mainly parts of the transcript that were not Rush's comments, and you shy away from the controversial part of what he said. The part that ultimately cost him his job on the show. Or as you call it, the truth.

Yeah, who wants to touch this discussion???

We have to remember, this is a football forum; not a political one. That is why Rush was a horrible decision for football in the first place. Personally, I have no idea why this was even brought up.

The main thing is not DMc's past, but his present. What he did 5 years ago is totally and completely irrelevant. I have been a very strong supporter of DMc since he got here, but this past game was just a horrendous one by him. DMc himself had 3 TOs but could have had as many as 6. It was ugly. It was his worst game as a skin thus far. Sure our OL is bad and the Off Cordinator should have adjusted his scheme so that DMc had more time in the pocket, but DMc made some stupid mistakes.

All in all, DMc just hasn't been the "elite" QB we thought he would. But what do you expect from an organization that is defined by bad personnel moves???? Just wait, next year the FO will find a way to revive fan hope in the similar ways it has done so in the past (i.e., getting a big name player that is in his twilight years) and everyone will think we are back....only to be in this position again somewhere between weeks 9-13.

I think that is what we should be more concerned with. We sit here and focus on the players not performing up to par when they get here, yet we let the FO get off scott free for making these horrible decisions.....I have never gotten that. The FO seems to make the same mistakes year after year, regardless of who is running it (although it doesn't take a genious to see who REALLY runs the FO...). It is just sad. I say, forget DMc, lets hold the guys who brought him here accountable. After all, they are the ones that created our stellar offensive line.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

I also find it telling that you highlighted mainly parts of the transcript that were not Rush's comments, and you shy away from the controversial part of what he said. The part that ultimately cost him his job on the show. Or as you call it, the truth.

Hogster, the reason I highlighted others' comments is because, after reading the ENTIRE transcript, I realized that others on that panel agreed with Rush's opinion that McNabb got too much credit and wasn't as good as he was hyped up to be.

Even a black former WR who now is enshrined in Canton!! Go figure.

[riggofan]

Insightful. Anybody want to chime in that we lost this game so badly because of Kyle Shanahan also?

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

We sit here and focus on the players not performing up to par when they get here, yet we let the FO get off scott free for making these horrible decisions.....I have never gotten that. The FO seems to make the same mistakes year after year, regardless of who is running it (although it doesn't take a genious to see who REALLY runs the FO...). It is just sad. I say, forget DMc, lets hold the guys who brought him here accountable. After all, they are the ones that created our stellar offensive line.

Markshark84, the main reason Rush was brought up was because it was suggested (in jest) that he REPLACE a key member of our FO.

After all, he knew long ago that McNabb was some bum mambo sauce.

[crazyhorse1]

All I could think about following yesterday's game was:

"Rush was spot on about McNabb."

The man IS overrated.

...and someone needs to take personnel decisions away from Shanny.

Clearly, he picked the wrong Eagles QB to poach during the offseason.

Epic fail.

So are you starting a "Rush for GM" campaign?

He's right 99.976% of the time!

Rush is a total liar and imbecile but could play a mean nose tackle.

[The Hogster]

We sit here and focus on the players not performing up to par when they get here, yet we let the FO get off scott free for making these horrible decisions.....I have never gotten that. The FO seems to make the same mistakes year after year, regardless of who is running it (although it doesn't take a genious to see who REALLY runs the FO...). It is just sad. I say, forget DMc, lets hold the guys who brought him here accountable. After all, they are the ones that created our stellar offensive line.

Markshark84, the main reason Rush was brought up was because it was suggested (in jest) that he REPLACE a key member of our FO.

After all, he knew long ago that McNabb was some bum mambo sauce.

Okay. So what about all of the god-awful, black Quarterbacks who are total laughing-stocks? Akili Smith, Tony Banks, Jamarcus Russellel? I guess the media chose McNabb over the aforementioned because they like his haircut.

If the "media" overhyped McNabb because only because he's black, then why didn't they similarly over hype the black quarterbacks who are chronic losers??

We all know the answer, but it's not racially charged and sensational. It doesn't fit with Rush's schtick which you seem to have subscribed to.


Btw - The transcript reading "umm hmm" from two black guys doesnt make Rush's statement correct. It's a television show, they make conciliatory utterances like umm hmmm & yep after just about every statement. Tom Jackson and Crack Irvin came on the following week and said they did not agree with him. Go figure.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Okay. So what about all of the god-awful, black Quarterbacks who are total laughing-stocks? Akili Smith, Tony Banks, Jamarcus Russellel?

I took Rush's comments not to mean the "white elite liberal media" hyped McNabb because he was black, but that they didn't criticize him for his shortcomings or when he played poorly because he was black. So if that's the case then these aren't applicable because they never accomplished anything. Besides, wasn't Russell after the whole Rush/ESPN thing? And again, that the "white elite liberal media" fired Rush for suggesting it doesn't bode well for their own cause.

[Paralis]

Life is not a forensics society. The character of a claimant is absolutely context for their argument. And when a guy like Rush, who makes a great deal of money selling white men on the narrative that they're being discriminated against suggests that Donovan McNabb's success is a liberal guilt media creation...

well, there's a term for that. It's a dog whistle. Questions of racial politics are basically completely outside the bounds of a sports broadcast and I'm hard put to see how ESPN could have done anything but fire them. Leaving aside the question of whether Rush's suggestion should have been entertained on its merits, ESPN doesn't have the resources to do so.

Anyway, the people who thought McNabb belongs in the HOF are as nutty as the guys who thought he was never any good to begin with. He was a top 10 QB for most of his career throwing to scrubs. He was the face of one of the best offenses and best teams in the league over a 10 year span, and deserved virtually all of the hype he got.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Life is not a forensics society. The character of a claimant is absolutely context for their argument. And when a guy like Rush, who makes a great deal of money selling white men on the narrative that they're being discriminated against suggests that Donovan McNabb's success is a liberal guilt media creation...

well, there's a term for that. It's a dog whistle

You took gymnastics in high school, didn't you? Dude, Rush said the white media was discriminating in favor of a black quarterback, Donovan McNabb. Rush didn't say anything about whites being discriminated against...

[Paralis]

You took gymnastics in high school, didn't you? Dude, Rush said the white media was discriminating in favor of a black quarterback, Donovan McNabb. Rush didn't say anything about whites being discriminated against...

No, Rush said that the white media was discriminating in favor of Donovan McNabb BECAUSE he's black. You can't gloss over the causality, because that's what makes it objectively racist. He very literally says:

I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. I think there is a lot of hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't really deserve.

McNabb was named to the Pro Bowl in 2001 and 2002. Suppose Rush is right and McNabb got these votes because "the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well." If McNabb goes the Pro Bowl and doesn't deserve to, somebody who deserved to go stayed home. Who do you think Rush means? I'll give you a hint: in 2003, there were no starting QBs in the NFL who were not white and not black.

[KazooSkinsFan]

You took gymnastics in high school, didn't you? Dude, Rush said the white media was discriminating in favor of a black quarterback, Donovan McNabb. Rush didn't say anything about whites being discriminated against...

No, Rush said that the white media was discriminating in favor of Donovan McNabb BECAUSE he's black. You can't gloss over the causality, because that's what makes it objectively racist. He very literally says:

I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. I think there is a lot of hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't really deserve.

McNabb was named to the Pro Bowl in 2001 and 2002. Suppose Rush is right and McNabb got these votes because "the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well." If McNabb goes the Pro Bowl and doesn't deserve to, somebody who deserved to go stayed home. Who do you think Rush means? I'll give you a hint: in 2003, there were no starting QBs in the NFL who were not white and not black.

Right, but you said Rush sells that Whites are being discriminated against. True or false, it has nothing to do with this story.

[grampi]

The entire team stinks. No need to single out McNabb. It was a bad trade for us, but hey we are the Redskins so we should be used to bad trades by now.

Bingo!!! McDrabb is just one sucky part of the team....

[KazooSkinsFan]

The entire team stinks. No need to single out McNabb. It was a bad trade for us, but hey we are the Redskins so we should be used to bad trades by now.

Bingo!!! McDrabb is just one sucky part of the team....

What a pointless post. I hear the Cowboys are looking for fair weather fans...

[Deadskins]

Marty was too big an arse

Yeah, but a winning arse. Firing him was The Danny's biggest mistake to date, IMO.