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Baaaaaaaaaaaa . This guy is a looney. He had it good for 20 years, then had it bad for 10-15 and he's writing letters to the owner???

It's gonna be painful at times guys, but we're a competitive football team (minus one game) during this rebuilding. The problem with being competitive, is that we win AND lose close games. Until we are fully healed in a few years, we'll be middle of the pack. Cross your fingers for a franchise QB in the draft. If he's a bust, it'll be another 10 years of mediocracy. That's how the NFL works. You have to get the QB drafted and coach him up. Thankfully he'll be learning under Shannahan and McNabb. I like where it's headed.

Well, no one said that being a fan was for the faint of heart. Goodbye.

As for me, I'll be here next week . . . just like every week . . .

Redskins_Fanatic,

Continue to enjoy football, there were some great college games this weekend.

Bu-bye
you could whine the same way as a fan of any number of teams. Just buy yourself a jersey for whoever are reigning champs and call them "your boys" until It's time to get a new jersey. Sounds like you'll be happier that way

...since I was old enough to say "Redskin", which was about the year Sammy Baugh retired and my parents got me a Choo-Choo Justice Redskins uniform from Hechts for Xmas.

There are downs and ups and downs. That's Redskin football.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I'm Done.

I understand the feeling.

My own son will not even watch NFL games with me anymore. My daughter used to dance to Hail to the Redskins at the age of 3 years old after a TD in the Gibbs I era. She does not watch with me either anymore.

BUT ... Focus your energy against the owner, not the team.

I love the skins trough thick and mostly thin throughout the ownership of this disastrous clown.

He STOLE our team. Join the rebellion. Stop buying tickets and merchandise.

Voice your anger against him.

Support your team.

anyone thinking that this team was not on the slide before Snyder took over is fooling themselves. The team has not done well consistantly since the advent of free agency in the early 90's. Snyder hopefully has put together a winning formula...unfortunately, if the league does away with free agency, he may have to re-learn. It's going to take more than 11 games to undo 15 years of mismanagement. More like 3 years.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Sorry but it's been NINETEEN YEARS since this team won a game that means anything. That "moving forward" and "positive direction" garbage hasn't meant anything since about Y2K, thank you very much.

We've had 3 playoff appearences (the last just 3 years ago) over that time and won two playoff games, so it hasn't really been that long. I'm frustrated too, but I'll always be a Skins fan. I was born one and I'll die one. That's just the way I roll.

chiefhog44 wrote:anyone thinking that this team was not on the slide before Snyder took over is fooling themselves. The team has not done well consistantly since the advent of free agency in the early 90's. Snyder hopefully has put together a winning formula...unfortunately, if the league does away with free agency, he may have to re-learn. It's going to take more than 11 games to undo 15 years of mismanagement. More like 3 years.

Snyder's had this team for 11 years, not 11 games, and if he was going to turn this team around it would've happened by now....

If you want to quit on your team, go ahead. I will never jump ship. Everyone want to throw out their theories as to why this team has been sub-par for the last 15+ seasons, but if you want to get to the root of the problem, check out our draft picks over the years. Not exactly stellar to say the least. The good news is it only takes one or two really good years of drafting to turn a franchise around. Go back and check out our '81 draft. We nabbed 3 of the Hogs in that draft (we signed Jacoby as an undrafted FA) along with Manley, Grant, Didier, and Charlie Brown. Now I know the draft isn't 12 rounds anymore, but you can still turn a team around with one stellar draft. Look at TB this season. Also, look at the teams who have won consistently in the last 10 years. They all draft well consistently. Let's hope Allen has a good draft next year!

grampi wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:anyone thinking that this team was not on the slide before Snyder took over is fooling themselves. The team has not done well consistantly since the advent of free agency in the early 90's. Snyder hopefully has put together a winning formula...unfortunately, if the league does away with free agency, he may have to re-learn. It's going to take more than 11 games to undo 15 years of mismanagement. More like 3 years.

Snyder's had this team for 11 years, not 11 games, and if he was going to turn this team around it would've happened by now....

Although it's taken him a long time to figure it out, I am hoping that he has learned how to be a good owner. Last year seems earily similar to how Irsay started his second year as owner of the Colts. By the way, Irsay is a guy that was in the business (GM at the time he took over ownership) and knew he had to bring in football people to run the team. It's taken Dan much longer to learn that...A bit of a recap for those that don't know. We'll see how things go in this upcoming draft.

Irsay's first year as sole owner did not go well, however, as the Colts finished with the worst record in the NFL. The Colts only won three times in the 1997 season (although all three of those wins came against teams with winning records, including the defending Super Bowl champion Green Bay Packers), and wholesale changes were made following the season. Irsay hired Carolina Panthers general manager Bill Polian, who had won NFL Executive of the Year four times with the Panthers and Buffalo Bills, as the team's president and general manager. Polian promptly fired Infante as coach, released Harbaugh, and hired Jim Mora, Sr. as the team's new head coach.

The Peyton Manning Era (1998-present)
Polian employed a strategy of rebuilding the Colts through the draft, and his first two first round picks as GM proved to be keys in the Colts' rise to their current status in the NFL. In 1998, Polian used the first pick in the draft to select University of Tennessee quarterback Peyton Manning, son of former NFL quarterback Archie Manning.

While the Colts finished their first season under Polian at 3-13 again, success would come quickly after that

Dang, dude. I know losing blows but without Redskin football every week what is there? I mean seriously? The wife and kids.......? I remember them vaguely but c'mon. It's football. An aquaintance once gave up on his team-- don't even remember which one-- and he said not having a team on Sunday left him no reason to exist. You gotta have a team and you had THE team. Maybe not the best or whatever but I gotta say--when I see Redskin logo I go back 30 years when we played every freakin day in our cheap sears pads and helmets. If it snowed it was even better. Spent 3/4 of the time in pretend goal-line situations just to make a pile. Had the cheap Redskin watch-the jacket and gloves- the hat with the yarn ball on top- the good and the bad is what it is. My kids yell the fight song like idiots when we score. They wrestle like idiots when we are getting killed. They wear their jerseys to school win or lose and they dish smack after a win and take crap after a loss. And their ugly dolphin, colt, bronco fan friends do the same. Guess what? Every fan of every team goes through it. Promise. So enjoy the good stuff because at the end of the day--so what.
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Hail to the freakin dang Redskins! CAPITAL R

Wow. Has it really been almost 20 years since we were any good? I know lots of people hate Snyder, but Snyder has only been the ownder for 11 of the last 19 years of mediocrity. For those not old enough to remember, things were really bad after Gibbs left the first time, even though Jack Kent Cooke still owned the team. Norv Turner was awful. Then when Jack Kent Cooke died and John Cooke was running the team, that wasn't so great either because John Cooke just liked being rich and could care less about football. The Redskins were running in place while the team was in limbo.

Granted two decades is a long time to wait, but I am optimistic that the Redskins will get back to the big game again sometime before the next two decades pass. I mean c'mon. It's not like were the Cubs. At least we won sometime a long time ago.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I'm Done. I'm Out. After three decades watching and rooting for this team, I can't stand it any longer. The absolute, sheer, complete and total lack of talent and/or interest of the players, coaches, management and owner of the Washington Redskins has finally shown through fully enough that I can no longer continue to waste my time, money, energy, and interest on this team.

I will be sending registered letters to Daniel Snyder, Bruce Allen, and Mike Shannahan tomorrow informing them of this.

I wish the best to you all, the fans who continue to brave the great abyss that the Washington Redskins have become; but I cannot continue to be among you and I cannot wish anything other than failure, despair, and disgrace to what this franchise has become.


Scott *****
Spencer, MA

After the Redskins lost in the Championship game in 1945, the Redskins failed to make the play-offs for 25 straight seasons until George Alen led the Redskins to the play-offs in 1971. Don't tell us die-hard (and I mean DIE hard because I will die a Redskins fan before I turn my back on my team because things don't go my way) about futility. I became a Redskins in in 1972 as a 10 year old living in Texas in the heart of Cowboy land. Sure I was spoiled during the Allen years with never having a losing season, but I stayed a Redskin fan in Texas through the lean years never waivering on my love for my team. I am blessed that I saw the Joe Gibbs years with the Super Bowls. I was sitting next to a young Redskins fan who was born in 1983 and has never really known the Redskins as a winner but yet he goes to each game never wavering in his faith in his team. Here's to the Redskin fans who stay loyal to our team through the thick and the thin through the horrible years of 1946 - 1970 ( minus 1969 THE LOMBARDI YEAR). Criticize the team and the owner all you want. Cheer the team and the owner all you want. That is what being a Redskin fan is all. It is your team. Our TEAM! Through the thick and the thin. Here's to All you DIE HARDS! Whether be 25 years or one year without play-offs - WE WILL DIE REDSKIN FANS because we are REDSKIN FANATICS!

Good luck trying to let go. I live in a small town and the guy who owns the local pizza joint (the only one in town) was a Skins fan up until 3 last year. After the Zorn era he said he was done, gave away all his Skins gear and "says" he now a Bears fan. But everytime I go to pick up my pizza or see him in the store all he wants to talk about are the SKINS!! This team does something to ya. I don't know what it is but even after 20 years of mediocre football I still feel like we're gonna win every Sunday!!
My Dad was a Dolphins fan and my older brother was a Skins fan, always wanting to be like my big bro, I sided with him. It's been 27 years and I remember sitting in our living room floor watching Riggo and The Hogs destroy the Dolphins..that day I became a Redskins fan for life!!
So even if any of us wanted to let go and find another team to cheer for, we'd all just end up like my pizza guy. Always wanting to know what the Skins are doing, who they're playing, who they're drafting...etc..
This team gets a hold of you and once it's in you, you can never let 'em go!!

HAIL 'SKINS FOR LIFE BABY....we will be feared again! It's just a matter of time.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I would put a pistol in my mouth and pull the trigger myself before I would EVER, under ANY circumstances. root for the New England Patriots. The Patriots are the absolute epitome of everything that I believe is WRONG with the NFL these days.

I know it's off topic, but I just don't understand this line of reasoning. The Patriots are a well run organization from top to bottom. They have a popular franchise QB who's never been in any kind of trouble, they have an excellent coach who also serves as the top personnel man and they are perpetually good. They have a great understanding of how to stay competitive year after year, they are the kind of team everyone should try to be more like.

How are they what's wrong with the NFL?

Along with Pittsburgh and Indy they are the class of the NFL.

I have boycotted everything from games to jerseys, pretty much anything that would put $1 into Danny's pocket.

However, to turn your back on the team and say you are not going to watch... Sounds to me like you were not very passionate to begin with. BTW, I never got to enjoy the glory days, I have basically followed this mess since i was old enough to know what was going on.

Skinsfan55 wrote:

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I would put a pistol in my mouth and pull the trigger myself before I would EVER, under ANY circumstances. root for the New England Patriots. The Patriots are the absolute epitome of everything that I believe is WRONG with the NFL these days.

I know it's off topic, but I just don't understand this line of reasoning. The Patriots are a well run organization from top to bottom. They have a popular franchise QB who's never been in any kind of trouble, they have an excellent coach who also serves as the top personnel man and they are perpetually good. They have a great understanding of how to stay competitive year after year, they are the kind of team everyone should try to be more like.

How are they what's wrong with the NFL?

Along with Pittsburgh and Indy they are the class of the NFL.

And they have a Wolverine for QB, what's not to like? My younger daughter's daddy's girl and a big football fan with me. But she's adopted the Patriots as her co-favorite team with the Skins. We moved a lot, but her favorite place we lived was Connecticut. Like RIC's kids though I have a hard time getting her to watch the Skins with me anymore. She just says, "we're gonna lose" and asks when the Pats are on. Sunday Ticket is sweet. She did love the Bears beating the Eagles though yesterday. Good kid...

grampi wrote:

ChrisHanburger wrote:I'm stickin' with 'em.

I don't have a choice. I have way too many Redskins jackets, jerseys, hats, helmets, and a whole array of other team gear to bail ship....

I burned or shot up all that stuff about 5 or 6 years ago. No need for that garbage to take up space in the closet.

SKINS#1 wrote:Redskins_Fanatic,

Continue to enjoy football, there were some great college games this weekend.

College football does nothing for me. Never has and never will. I'm done with the sport. Besides, after the new CBA is eventually announced I probably wouldn't have been able to continue watching anyway, so it's just a little earlier that I walk away from the Skins and the NFL all together.

Snout wrote:when Jack Kent Cooke died and John Cooke was running the team, that wasn't so great either because John Cooke just liked being rich and could care less about football.

Maybe that's the kind of owner we need now; one that tends ONLY to the money matters and leaves the football decisions up to the staffers who actually know football. Instead we have Danny Boy, a basket weaver who insists on making decisions about rocket science.....

HarleyHog wrote:Bu-bye
you could whine the same way as a fan of any number of teams. Just buy yourself a jersey for whoever are reigning champs and call them "your boys" until It's time to get a new jersey. Sounds like you'll be happier that way

Nope. I'm a one-team guy. I don't root for or follow "sports", only TEAMS. One team per league. Now with that gone, there's nothing left for me to follow in the NFL.

Deadskins wrote:We've had 3 playoff appearences (the last just 3 years ago) over that time and won two playoff games, so it hasn't really been that long. I'm frustrated too, but I'll always be a Skins fan. I was born one and I'll die one. That's just the way I roll.

There's only ONE NFL game per year that means anything. It's now played the first Sunday in February. This team hadn't come close to getting there since their last trip in 1992. Sorry, 19 years is too long of a wait, especially since it doesn't look like they'll be there again any time soon.

(d)oink wrote:Dang, dude. I know losing blows but without Redskin football every week what is there? I mean seriously?

There are a LOT of other things that I can invest my time, energy, and money in besides this team. Life is an investment in my mind. I've invested a lot of time in this team and I don't see ANY return on that investment, so it's time to cut the losses and move on, just like you would do in the stock market.

Skinsfan55 wrote:I know it's off topic, but I just don't understand this line of reasoning. The Patriots are a well run organization from top to bottom. They have a popular franchise QB who's never been in any kind of trouble, they have an excellent coach who also serves as the top personnel man and they are perpetually good. They have a great understanding of how to stay competitive year after year, they are the kind of team everyone should try to be more like.

How are they what's wrong with the NFL?

They are the poster children for the Socialist, parity driven, mediocrity promoting style of management and play that the NFL is so completely and totally driven by these days. Can you even name 4 players on any of their Championship teams other than Tom Brady? I doubt it. They're full of has-beens and never-will-be's. 53 guys who you wouldn't recognize if you ran into them on the street. They play NOT TO LOSE instead of playing to WIN. That's totally abhorant in my mind. In sports, like War, the idea is to decimate your opponent. To leave him beaten and bloody on the field, completely devoid of desire to continue to resist. That's NOT the style that the Patriots do ANYTHING in.