So JC is having a better year than McNabb

[Shabutie]

Please people, we seem to have too much time in our hands to waste on this thread.

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Please lock this thread. We have enough QB controversy to fuel another stupid one.

1)This is a message board. 2)This thread is comparing the last two Redskins QBs.

[SkinsJock]

there is no point in comparing the 2

give it a rest, already

[markshark84]

Yes, let's conveniently forget that Campbell "led" the Skins to 5-3 and 6-2 records in 2007 and 2008.

Absurd. Just absurd. It is wonderful that JC can play well for the first 8 games of the year.....because everyone knows that the first 8 games are the true determinant of a season.

No matter, I find that it is obvious that DMc is better than JC. JC had his painfully too long run here in WAS and it didn't work out. It was best that he moved on. In terms of how they have played this year, it doesn't hurt that JC has played some of the worst teams in the NFL during his tenure in OAK -- and he has much better players around him. His OL is better, he has a better RB, and better WRs. I would say that the only thing in WAS that is superior form a personnel standpoint is TE. This fact is pretty embarrassing. Regardless, give JC our schedule and I would love to know where his numbers would be.

With all of this said however, I don't think either of them are playing that well. But, I must say, I have been surprised by the amount of points JC has been able to put up this year -- sure he only has 6 TDs in as many games, but he was only able to average around 12 ppg in WAS.

Oakland's WRs are definitely not better. They do have a very, very good TE.

After looking at their roster, I do think that the WR position could go either way. Moss is -- without a doubt -- the best of all the WRs on either WAS or OAK, with Heyward-Bey second. After those two, no one is really that great from either side. From a statistical standpoint, it appears OAK's Murphy is the best followed by Armstrong. But who knows; the majority of the OAK WRs have gotten their catches from Gradkowski, so it is really difficult to tell either way.

Also, I agree that Miller is a very good TE, but I think from a depth chart perspective, we have the better two TEs (although Davis has done NOTHING this year).

[langleyparkjoe]

Also, I agree that Miller is a very good TE, but I think from a depth chart perspective, we have the better two TEs (although Davis has done NOTHING this year).

What do you mean Mark??? You didn't see Davis do something against philly????? He missed an easy pass when he was WIDE OPEN! *that some people would probably try and blame mcnugget for*

[El Mexican]

Do we play de Raiders this season? That would settle some debate here.

So let me get this straight: Campbell is having a good year because he landed with a better team and DMac is having a mediocre season because he came to a rebulding team. Is that right?

Man, we have some serious problems when the Raiders suddenly start playing good ball after finishing the last 7 seasons with these records:

2003
4-12
2004
5-11
2005
4-12
2006
2-14
2007
4-12
2008
5-11
2009
5-11

[grampi]

JC has a better O-line than McDrabb has so what do you expect?

[Shabutie]

Also, I agree that Miller is a very good TE, but I think from a depth chart perspective, we have the better two TEs (although Davis has done NOTHING this year).

What do you mean Mark??? You didn't see Davis do something against philly????? He missed an easy pass when he was WIDE OPEN! *that some people would probably try and blame mcnugget for*

Wait, you think that was a good throw?

[Shabutie]

there is no point in comparing the 2

give it a rest, already

That goes back to my #1. Threads like, "Coach was just covering up for poor coaching by his son" are ok, but comparing performance of the past two Redskins QBs is not...

[riggofan]

I was a big Campbell supporter while he was a Redskin, just because I thought the deck was stacked against him with our terrible offensive line. I'll be happy for him if things work out in Oakland, because he was always a good guy here.

That said, I think we're more likely to be 2-6 or 1-7 right now instead of 4-4 if JC was our QB this year.

[Shabutie]

I was a big Campbell supporter while he was a Redskin, just because I thought the deck was stacked against him with our terrible offensive line. I'll be happy for him if things work out in Oakland, because he was always a good guy here.

That said, I think we're more likely to be 2-6 or 1-7 right now instead of 4-4 if JC was our QB this year.

I agree with the first part, but I am not sure how we would definitely have a worse record this year.

[SkinsJock]

there is no point in comparing the 2
give it a rest, already

That goes back to my #1. Threads like, "Coach was just covering up for poor coaching by his son" are ok, but comparing performance of the past two Redskins QBs is not...

comparing the 2 QBs with different teams is USELESS - it is NOT informative - this is a team game - we saw what Campbell can do and we are now seeing what McNabb can do - the comaprison ends there

non event

[brad7686]

If you were to get to the pros and cons of each you would have McNabb with better pocket presence, deep ball, route recognition and creativity, with JC having better completion percentage, intermediate passing skills, decison making and short passing skills. McNabb having the history I would say he is still better.

However, none of this is relevant. A lot of people on here like to think that a Qb can overcome a bad line. That's the argument people made about JC last year. But they can't. Aaron Rodgers had some line issues last year, but it wasn't the interior, and he had Donald Driver, who is basically Wes Welker with better hands.

Does Peyton Manning have a bad line? No. Probly has the best one in the league overall. What happens when pressure gets to him? He stinks. Our O-line was supposed to be better and its not. Also, we lack red zone threats, but that wasn't really the issue last game. It was all O-line. They are horrible

Manning makes the line look a lot better than they are. He calls everything from the LOS and they are simply always in a good play for the situation. He gets rid of the ball very quick as well. They are intelligent group, I do not think they are great physically.

Well I don't think Peyton can tell his linemen how to block the Suh's and Orakpo's of the world. That takes some skill. Our line has none. Williams looks ok at times, Lichtensteiger and Rabach are CFL grade.

[Shabutie]

None of these topics we post on are "events". Again this is a message board and this is about the Washington Redskins. I could ask to get your irrelevant and poorly placed emoticons deleted and have a better case.

[mastdark81]

I just find it funny that people against Campbell last year wasn't buying the excuse for the poor offensive line being his main detriment but are now making it the main excuse for McNabb's poor play lol. They were saying that McNabb would make quicker decisions and not hold on to the ball as long....he reads defenses better...blah blah blah lmao

We brought in your superstar qb that you wanted and are now getting worse statistical results from the qb position with a slightly improved oline compared to last year. Record wise we have matched last year's disaster with pure luck!...remember Hall won two games literally by his damnself and McNabb's only game he was significant in we lost, not his fault at all but he couldn't pull it out in the 4th quarter (Campbell was bashed for not being a 4th qtr guy right?). McNabb hasn't pulled one in the 4th yet either. We are still struggling or losing to the Rams and the Lions....so what you gotta say now?


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with all of this said I'll take the old McNabb with fresh legs over Campbell everytime but I wouldn't have traded for the old McNabb from our hated rivals.

[El Mexican]

there is no point in comparing the 2 give it a rest, already

So what exactly do your propose we do for the next two weeks????

Seriously, it's amazing how much bad karma our team has amassed over the years when the Raiders can look like a team that has a better understanding of what they are and where they are going, and the Skins look as lost as ever.

Maybe JC's terrible play over here was a reflection of this organization in itself.

[The Hogster]

there is no point in comparing the 2 give it a rest, already

So what exactly do your propose we do for the next two weeks????

Seriously, it's amazing how much bad karma our team has amassed over the years when the Raiders can look like a team that has a better understanding of what they are and where they are going, and the Skins look as lost as ever.

Maybe JC's terrible play over here was a reflection of this organization in itself.

You never explained how these stats suggest he's having a "better" season. The stats don't even favor Campbell. I guess if you're going off of expecations versus reality, then sure. Raiders were expected to suck, they don't. We expected to be good, we are....kind of....sometimes.

[Shabutie]

there is no point in comparing the 2 give it a rest, already

So what exactly do your propose we do for the next two weeks????

Seriously, it's amazing how much bad karma our team has amassed over the years when the Raiders can look like a team that has a better understanding of what they are and where they are going, and the Skins look as lost as ever.

Maybe JC's terrible play over here was a reflection of this organization in itself.

You never explained how these stats suggest he's having a "better" season. The stats don't even favor Campbell. I guess if you're going off of expecations versus reality, then sure. Raiders were expected to suck, they don't. We expected to be good, we are....kind of....sometimes.

Campbell has a higher rating better YPA, Completion percentage, TD/INT ratio. Half of his picks should have been caught be receivers. McNabb has had several INT's of his dropped.

[SKINFAN]

LoL with your stats, here's some for ya.

JC has a game high (yards) 310 on week 8, on a 33-3 win. 300 yds and change after 33 plus points and a beating to the other team, hmn, shouldn't he have more yards than 310, or is the running game just kickin arse that the passing was easier. He had 204 yards on week 7 after the raiders scored 59 pts. Shouldn't he have more yards you think? Or was it the running game again. Dmac has 400 plus on a loss after our team scored 27, basically, we were on Dmac's arm, coz no run game. Dmac has constant 200 plus yds, with our turnstyle O line and suspect running game.

EDIT: And Dmac is not even in Fottball shape yet, or has not grasped the O to run the 2 min drill.

...just sayin.

[El Mexican]

You never explained how these stats suggest he's having a "better" season.

Well, he does have a better all around rating, that should explain something.

He has one less TD than McNabb even when he has played less games. JC has 4 ints, McNabb 8.

JC is ranked as the #21 QB, McNabb is #25

[SAP_Pete]

And Vince Young is ranked #1 in QB rating, so clearly he's the best QB in the league.

[VetSkinsFan]

And Vince Young is ranked #1 in QB rating, so clearly he's the best QB in the league.

he's actually 3 behind Fitzpatrick and P Manning.

[SAP_Pete]

And Vince Young is ranked #1 in QB rating, so clearly he's the best QB in the league.

he's actually 3 behind Fitzpatrick and P Manning.

Hmm, I was going by the stats on nfl.com.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... 447263-p=1

[Shabutie]

LoL with your stats, here's some for ya.

JC has a game high (yards) 310 on week 8, on a 33-3 win. 300 yds and change after 33 plus points and a beating to the other team, hmn, shouldn't he have more yards than 310, or is the running game just kickin arse that the passing was easier. He had 204 yards on week 7 after the raiders scored 59 pts. Shouldn't he have more yards you think? Or was it the running game again. Dmac has 400 plus on a loss after our team scored 27, basically, we were on Dmac's arm, coz no run game. Dmac has constant 200 plus yds, with our turnstyle O line and suspect running game.

EDIT: And Dmac is not even in Fottball shape yet, or has not grasped the O to run the 2 min drill.

...just sayin.

Those are not my stats, those are the stats.

Before last week's game Torrain had back-to-back 100 yard games. McNabb had poor passing performances both of those games. He has performed poorly when the running game was good and performed poorly when the running game was non-existent. Ironically, his best statistical game was against Houston where we had NO rushing attack. Your theory of the running game boosting numbers does not hold true at all for McNabb. If we go back to last year, Campbell was able to put up better numbers behind a worse OL, with a depleted receiving core. Oh yeah, we also had no coaching stability throughout the year.

Good post though, easy to read.

[SkinsJock]

I am glad that some think that Campbell is having a better year than Campbell - but so what

the reason that Campbell is not here is because the guys in charge did not think that he would help this team this year - but again, so what

we have McNabb and we are better off with him at QB than we would have been with Campbell - but again, who really cares what a loser QB is doing in Oakland? More power to him - he couldn't get it done here and he will not get it done out there - end of story


it makes no difference to think about really because McNabb is here - if he were in Oakland, they might still be 4-4 and we'd probably be in line to get the first pick in the draft

[Kilmer72]

You guys are killing me. I believe this whole thread got started from another. It might have been me and if so I am so ashamed. If it was me it was about.... it was all JCs fault and this year it is everyone's fault but Mcnab. If the line sucks it does and if the coaches suck they do..... If it is the QB then it is. Lets not not drag JC in our hell hole he's got enough on his plate.

Both quarterbacks can do things the other can't. One has leadership and can throw long. The other can throw short and medium consistently. Nuff said!!!