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Did anyone else see the over and under thrown balls today and throwing into triple coverage? Maybe I was seeing things. I put the blame on the online drop passes and yes #5. Also penalties.

Our SP had an awful day in coverage but they did score. We can all pretend that it was just the oline but we aren't being real if we do.

RayNAustin wrote:And how did that decision work out? 1 play, and 7 for the lions.

Did you REALLY think either one of them was going to drive us down the field for the game winning Touchdown? If so, please let me know because I've got a great bridge in NYC to sell you the rights too... REAL CHEAP.

McShame or Grossout wouldn't have made any difference. The absolute lack of decent playcalling on both sides of the ball is what has sunk this team all season.

RayNAustin wrote:Dmac was sacked 5 times, knocked down 12 times and 10 hurries ... without a doubt, I cannot remember a single game that the Skins o-line played as poorly .... McNabb never had a chance, and the loss lands squarely on the line play ... they were in the backfield mauling McNabb on every passing down, often before he even completed his drop back.

I didn't see the press conference. Did McShame publicly call out the protection schemes and the O-Linemen? Has he over the past seven weeks? If not, then I have no sympathy for him.

He gets paid a lot of money to WIN FOOTBALL GAMES. That's a QB's JOB. If he's not given the tools to do that, he should be vocal about it, or accept the blame.

RayNAustin wrote:McNabb ... 210 yards passing ... 45 yards rushing ... the rest of the team ... 25 yards on 6 carries for Williams, 10 yards on 9 carries for Torain.

Yep. And it all gets wiped away because of a pass that you and I would have known better than to try and throw. I think he got his ass sat down because of that INT. I think his ass should be sat down for the rest of the season because of that INT.

RayNAustin wrote:And you say McNabb sucks? he accounted for 255 out of 280 yards.

I didn't want Donovan in DC to begin with. Once you wear Eagle Green, Giant Blue, Cowboy Blue, or Patriot Blue I don't ever want you on my team. Period. I don't care if you can guarantee me a Super Bowl victory; I don't want anything to do with you.

Yards mean NOTHING. WINS are the only thing that means anything. Destroying and Decimating your enemy are what means something. This team hasn't done that in almost 20 years.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:And how did that decision work out? 1 play, and 7 for the lions.

Did you REALLY think either one of them was going to drive us down the field for the game winning Touchdown? If so, please let me know because I've got a great bridge in NYC to sell you the rights too... REAL CHEAP.

McShame or Grossout wouldn't have made any difference. The absolute lack of decent playcalling on both sides of the ball is what has sunk this team all season.

RayNAustin wrote:Dmac was sacked 5 times, knocked down 12 times and 10 hurries ... without a doubt, I cannot remember a single game that the Skins o-line played as poorly .... McNabb never had a chance, and the loss lands squarely on the line play ... they were in the backfield mauling McNabb on every passing down, often before he even completed his drop back.

I didn't see the press conference. Did McShame publicly call out the protection schemes and the O-Linemen? Has he over the past seven weeks? If not, then I have no sympathy for him.

He gets paid a lot of money to WIN FOOTBALL GAMES. That's a QB's JOB. If he's not given the tools to do that, he should be vocal about it, or accept the blame.

RayNAustin wrote:McNabb ... 210 yards passing ... 45 yards rushing ... the rest of the team ... 25 yards on 6 carries for Williams, 10 yards on 9 carries for Torain.

Yep. And it all gets wiped away because of a pass that you and I would have known better than to try and throw. I think he got his ass sat down because of that INT. I think his ass should be sat down for the rest of the season because of that INT.

RayNAustin wrote:And you say McNabb sucks? he accounted for 255 out of 280 yards.

I didn't want Donovan in DC to begin with. Once you wear Eagle Green, Giant Blue, Cowboy Blue, or Patriot Blue I don't ever want you on my team. Period. I don't care if you can guarantee me a Super Bowl victory; I don't want anything to do with you.

Yards mean NOTHING. WINS are the only thing that means anything. Destroying and Decimating your enemy are what means something. This team hasn't done that in almost 20 years.

Like I said, you can put ANY QB behind our suck-a$$ed O-line and the results would be the same. It isn't McDrabb's fault he gets no blocking....

grampi wrote:Like I said, you can put ANY QB behind our suck-a$$ed O-line and the results would be the same. It isn't McDrabb's fault he gets no blocking....

As I said it becomes his fault too when he refuses to call out his teammates and the coaching staff for not holding up their end of the bargain.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

grampi wrote:Like I said, you can put ANY QB behind our suck-a$$ed O-line and the results would be the same. It isn't McDrabb's fault he gets no blocking....

As I said it becomes his fault too when he refuses to call out his teammates and the coaching staff for not holding up their end of the bargain.

What will be accomplished by him calling out his team...other than him coming off looking like a premadonna? It isn't like the O-line woes of this team are a big secret....

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

grampi wrote:Like I said, you can put ANY QB behind our suck-a$$ed O-line and the results would be the same. It isn't McDrabb's fault he gets no blocking....

As I said it becomes his fault too when he refuses to call out his teammates and the coaching staff for not holding up their end of the bargain.

No, I think he has made many mistakes and I agree I didn't want him either for the reasons you stated but, he isn't getting any help. The line needs to block yes but you can't put blame on others. Let us not play the blame game if you are the leader. That doesn't make sense.

On a different note. http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/vide ... d56a0984cd

All the blame went on JC because he was supposed to over come a terrible offensive line. People are now seeing that it doesn't make much difference. It helps to have a better QB but that might only mean a win or two.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Did you REALLY think either one of them was going to drive us down the field for the game winning Touchdown? If so, please let me know because I've got a great bridge in NYC to sell you the rights too... REAL CHEAP.

McShame or Grossout wouldn't have made any difference. The absolute lack of decent playcalling on both sides of the ball is what has sunk this team all season.

I didn't see the press conference. Did McShame publicly call out the protection schemes and the O-Linemen? Has he over the past seven weeks? If not, then I have no sympathy for him.

He gets paid a lot of money to WIN FOOTBALL GAMES. That's a QB's JOB. If he's not given the tools to do that, he should be vocal about it, or accept the blame.

No, he's not a horse's arse like some others ... McNabb always takes the high road, and it is TOTALLY RIDICULOUS to suggest that he should point fingers by either calling out teammates or the way they are coached.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:Yep. And it all gets wiped away because of a pass that you and I would have known better than to try and throw. I think he got his ass sat down because of that INT. I think his ass should be sat down for the rest of the season because of that INT.

Brilliant .... I'm speechless, which doesn't happen very often .... hint: my only response to this would be best delivered in smack.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I didn't want Donovan in DC to begin with. Once you wear Eagle Green, Giant Blue, Cowboy Blue, or Patriot Blue I don't ever want you on my team. Period. I don't care if you can guarantee me a Super Bowl victory; I don't want anything to do with you.

Yards mean NOTHING. WINS are the only thing that means anything. Destroying and Decimating your enemy are what means something. This team hasn't done that in almost 20 years.

Switch teams .... actually, you might want to switch sports.

grampi wrote:What will be accomplished by him calling out his team...other than him coming off looking like a premadonna? It isn't like the O-line woes of this team are a big secret....

What might be accomplished is two things....

#1. Embarassing and humiliation those teammates into actually giving a crap about doing their jobs next week.

#2. Ensuring that the fanbase knows who is *f$ck* up, with the intent of seeing them run out of town at the end of the season.

Kilmer72 wrote:No, I think he has made many mistakes and I agree I didn't want him either for the reasons you stated but, he isn't getting any help. The line needs to block yes but you can't put blame on others. Let us not play the blame game if you are the leader. That doesn't make sense.

On a different note. http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/vide ... d56a0984cd

All the blame went on JC because he was supposed to over come a terrible offensive line. People are now seeing that it doesn't make much difference. It helps to have a better QB but that might only mean a win or two.

Kilmer, I agree that McShame has made plenty of mistakes. Like actually showing up in Washington to begin with. He's the QB.... he either takes the blame himself and deals with it or he has to call the other people who are failing out. If he isn't willing to do that, he needs to be willing to accept the slings and arrows of that position.

The O-Line has been an issue for years. It's never been fixed, and unfortuantely under the current salary cap system it probably never will be fixed. Mostly because we can't cut the worthless sacks of *sh$t* who don't get the job done like we used to be able to do in the old days....

Hell, Gibbs threatened to cut EVERY PLAYER ON THE TEAM after the week 11 loss to the Cowboys in 1991. You can't do that anymore and we're much worse off for that.

RayNAustin wrote:No, he's not a horse's arse like some others ... McNabb always takes the high road, and it is TOTALLY RIDICULOUS to suggest that he should point fingers by either calling out teammates or the way they are coached.

Then he will NEVER have any respect from me.

RayNAustin wrote:Brilliant .... I'm speechless, which doesn't happen very often .... hint: my only response to this would be best delivered in smack.

That's fine. Think what you will. I couldn't care any less.

RayNAustin wrote:Switch teams .... actually, you might want to switch sports.

Considering what I expect to happen in terms of the CBA in the offseason it's quite likely I will never watch another NFL game after the end of the Redskins season this year (I don't watch non-Redskins game)

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:No, he's not a horse's arse like some others ... McNabb always takes the high road, and it is TOTALLY RIDICULOUS to suggest that he should point fingers by either calling out teammates or the way they are coached.

Then he will NEVER have any respect from me.

RayNAustin wrote:Brilliant .... I'm speechless, which doesn't happen very often .... hint: my only response to this would be best delivered in smack.

That's fine. Think what you will. I couldn't care any less.

RayNAustin wrote:Switch teams .... actually, you might want to switch sports.

Considering what I expect to happen in terms of the CBA in the offseason it's quite likely I will never watch another NFL game after the end of the Redskins season this year (I don't watch non-Redskins game)

Haha...Don't take it personal...We or I know you are a Redskins fan and you are just frustrated. I would guess you are near my age and seen the good old days and the bad. Regardless, you wouldn't be here if you weren't a Skins fan. You are new so welcome aboard

Kilmer72 wrote:Haha...Don't take it personal...We or I know you are a Redskins fan and you are just frustrated. I would guess you are near my age and seen the good old days and the bad. Regardless, you wouldn't be here if you weren't a Skins fan. You are new so welcome aboard

I take it personally when I waste 3 hours of my time watching a game and the guys getting paid millions to play it don't seem to have the interest in investing that same amount of time into PLAYING the game.

Thanks for the welcome; but I'm serious.... if the CBA goes the way I think it will, this will be my final season following the NFL.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
Hell, Gibbs threatened to cut EVERY PLAYER ON THE TEAM after the week 11 loss to the Cowboys in 1991. You can't do that anymore and we're much worse off for that.

You mean the 1991 Super Bowl Champion Washington Redskins who went 17-2 in 1991, who broke the NFL scoring record that year, blowing out almost everyone they played ... the best season for a Redskin Team ever ? That team?

For your information, week 11 we beat Atlanta 56-17, when we played the Cowboys in week 13, we lost 24-21 .... making us 11-1 for the year.

I DOUBT Gibbs threatened to cut everyone on the team at halftime with the score of 14-7

Where do you come up with this nonsense?

I think this is becoming obvious that Kyle Shanahan in the problem. He is similar to Zorn in the fact that he is predictable and can't make adjustments.

Part of his job is making sure that the players understand what's going on, what their responsibilities are and how to make adjustments in game. Every player, not just McNabb, doesn't seem to get what he's trying to do. Let's not forget he assumed the job in Houston. He's never installed an offense. We can give him some slack and some time, but let's not neglect that he's screwing up big time.

This offense needs more dimensions, not just a lot more complexity on the same. Where's the quick hitting run up the middle, or the 3 step drop? If you're going to throw when you shouldn't, at least mix it up to keep the D-line from pinning its ears.

Without some changes week to week, I'm afraid that Kyle is just a one trick pony that can only run an offense that is handed to him.

RayNAustin wrote:You mean the 1991 Super Bowl Champion Washington Redskins who went 17-2 in 1991, who broke the NFL scoring record that year, blowing out almost everyone they played ... the best season for a Redskin Team ever ? That team?

For your information, week 11 we beat Atlanta 56-17, when we played the Cowboys in week 13, we lost 24-21 .... making us 11-1 for the year.

I DOUBT Gibbs threatened to cut everyone on the team at halftime with the score of 14-7

Where do you come up with this nonsense?

My apologies... it was after the Week 13 loss to Dallas. From what I have read and heard over time, the week after the Dallas loss the team was absolutely flat in practice. Apparently on Wednesday of that week Gibbs called all the players on the practice field into a huddle and threatened to cut each and every one of them if they didn't get their stuff straightened out.

I'm well aware of the record and stats of that team. I agree it's the best Redskins team of all time. I also know that in Gibbs' place I probably would have blown a gasket after that week 13 loss to Dallas. Then again, Gibbs himself cost us the week 16 game against Philly by taking too many of the starters out in the second half.

If I was McNabb after today I may not want to sign a contract with the Skins and see what other offers are out there

With the way he's played this year there aren't going to be any other offers out there. He looks like a 45-year old out there.

dlc wrote:I think this is becoming obvious that Kyle Shanahan in the problem. He is similar to Zorn in the fact that he is predictable and can't make adjustments.

Part of his job is making sure that the players understand what's going on, what their responsibilities are and how to make adjustments in game. Every player, not just McNabb, doesn't seem to get what he's trying to do. Let's not forget he assumed the job in Houston. He's never installed an offense. We can give him some slack and some time, but let's not neglect that he's screwing up big time.

This offense needs more dimensions, not just a lot more complexity on the same. Where's the quick hitting run up the middle, or the 3 step drop? If you're going to throw when you shouldn't, at least mix it up to keep the D-line from pinning its ears.

Without some changes week to week, I'm afraid that Kyle is just a one trick pony that can only run an offense that is handed to him.

You can't really blame Kyle. Mike is the ultimate overseer of the offense. And if Mike/Allen don't give him much to work with you can't really blame Kyle for it. It was Allen/Mike that decided to trade draft picks for a clearly unhealthy Jamaal Brown, for example.

Redskins_Fanatic

Check your pm's.

CanesSkins26 wrote:You can't really blame Kyle. Mike is the ultimate overseer of the offense. And if Mike/Allen don't give him much to work with you can't really blame Kyle for it. It was Allen/Mike that decided to trade draft picks for a clearly unhealthy Jamaal Brown, for example.

Then I would suggest that Kyle needs to publicly turn the playcalling duties back over to daddy-dearest.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:You can't really blame Kyle. Mike is the ultimate overseer of the offense. And if Mike/Allen don't give him much to work with you can't really blame Kyle for it. It was Allen/Mike that decided to trade draft picks for a clearly unhealthy Jamaal Brown, for example.

Then I would suggest that Kyle needs to publicly turn the playcalling duties back over to daddy-dearest.

That's a brilliant idea

dlc wrote:I think this is becoming obvious that Kyle Shanahan in the problem. He is similar to Zorn in the fact that he is predictable and can't make adjustments.

Part of his job is making sure that the players understand what's going on, what their responsibilities are and how to make adjustments in game. Every player, not just McNabb, doesn't seem to get what he's trying to do. Let's not forget he assumed the job in Houston. He's never installed an offense. We can give him some slack and some time, but let's not neglect that he's screwing up big time.

This offense needs more dimensions, not just a lot more complexity on the same. Where's the quick hitting run up the middle, or the 3 step drop? If you're going to throw when you shouldn't, at least mix it up to keep the D-line from pinning its ears.

Without some changes week to week, I'm afraid that Kyle is just a one trick pony that can only run an offense that is handed to him.

Nah, you will see. Kyle is the best thing that happened to us this off season. Yes, he needs to learn how things are done in the NFC east but, so far, he is winning the rival game. I think he needs to run more often. That is just my opinion and I am not an ex football player even in the high school sense. Our receivers are getting open and if you glanced or heard at what the announcers were saying; he brought a different approach to our game. He is looking deep first and middle second and dump off last.


This is new and teams are going to have to get used to it if we can be successful.

He doesn't have all the pieces. I am not trying to make excuses, it is just what I think is going on but, as I said I am no expert just a fan.

He is not any way near as bad as Zorn. I liked Zorn but not as a head coach. Zorn might make it one day but comparing him to Kyle is way off. Kyle is about the deep ball. I think he might have to tone that back a bit. I would rather eat the clock and keep our defense fresh even if we could score at will. At this point I will take his approach because we might have to score a lot to win from here on this season.

With this offensive line, when going against a particularly strong D line, they'd better be asking D Mac to reverse the order of reads... and providing a lot of quick hit pass routes. They also needed to start moving him out of the pocket a lot sooner than they did... to force the tackles to move laterally more.

You can't build a deep strike passing game without a rock solid o-line. Period. You MUST do something to help the O line out.

Something to chew on. Over the past 2 seasons, the Lions are 2-0 against the Redskins, and 2-19 against the rest of the NFL.

Good lord that makes me feel worse about today...

PulpExposure wrote:Something to chew on. Over the past 2 seasons, the Lions are 2-0 against the Redskins, and 2-19 against the rest of the NFL.

Good lord that makes me feel worse about today...

from profootball talk

" loss to a team that is 2-36 against the rest of the league and 2-0 against the Redskins since December 2007. "

Unacceptable.

I know everybody is expecting me to kill McNabb, but before I do, let me say that I think that pulling him with 2 minutes to go in the game was awful and showed a lack of class. If you want to bench him, you do it during the BYE week.

With that being said, he was terrible. And he looked worst when he had the most time. On the max protect routes to Armstrong where he had all day to throw, he didn't maximize what was given to him. He could have had 2 TDs to Armstrong had he just been accurate and another to Moss. The route in double coverage where he had NO PRESSURE ON HIM was the most reprehensible.

Also:

- Did anybody notice multiple times on the sideline when Kyle Shanahan was perplexed looking at what the offense was running? It was almost like he was saying, that's not what I called.

- In my section at games, there is a running commentary as to how long Torrain will last before he gets hurt as he has never made it 8 games in a season at any level. Looks like we can stop the clock at 6 games.

Here's a couple other things from today:

- I learned that DeAngelo Hall is the most beat CB in the NFL this year by giving up more catches and yards than any other DB. With that being said, I do love his ball hawking qualities and ability to make the big play.

- Jason Campbell's line for the 4-4 Oakland Raiders today was pretty insane...he posted a QB Rating over 120 for the second consecutive week and has a record as a starter in Oakland of 4-2.