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having lost a father and a brother in the last few years, when this sort of thing happens, I think that everyone should do what they think is the right thing



I really don't care what sort of mood the fat slob is in this Sunday - it would just be nice to have him play at the level he's capable of for all the plays that he's in on

let's just hope that he can give as much effort for any play he's in on as the other guys around him - that would be different

yah i dont think its bad that al made the choice he made....just not the one i would make.

I think it sheds light on the larger issue of al always putting himself above the team and why he is in the doghouse always

poll is not disgusting or whatever....as said i feel for al and fam.....al had a choice and like so many other times al chose not to be a team mate I think thats why Shanny sat him for indy

Countertrey wrote:Easy to make that call, when, in fact, it WASN'T you... and it WASN'T your Mom who was suffering.

Al......not so much

You have no idea... nor do I. But, I'd never be so quick to pass judgment on someone who had just suffered such a loss.

I expect the Bears are going to catch Albert at a bad time...

yet many that have suffered similar and even more devestating losses have played.....just say'n

There are those who would judge them harshly as well...

I have always considered myself fairly cynical... but it requires a special kind of cynic to judge how an individual mourns...

Just sayin...

Countertrey wrote:There are those who would judge them harshly as well...

I have always considered myself fairly cynical... but it requires a special kind of cynic to judge how an individual mourns...

Just sayin...

I personally wasn't "judging" his reaction so much as pointing out the consistency of it

The Hogster wrote: So you're sure that he didn't coordinate, but you're not so sure he didn't pay for it

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Coordinate as in talk to someone--agent, manager, family member--to make the arrangements and cut checks.

I own two businesses, I clearly understand the difference between "coordinating" and "paying" for things. Do you?

Countertrey wrote:There are those who would judge them harshly as well...

I have always considered myself fairly cynical... but it requires a special kind of cynic to judge how an individual mourns...

Just sayin...

agree......just wish al would step up and start doing some of the stuff he is paid for and stop being such a big female dog all the time......ya know?

The Hogster wrote:

SKINFAN wrote:

LORD GIBBS wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:I think as a star football player he couldve played in honor and memory of his lost brother..

No need to play it down or church it up a brother is a Fn brother no half or step bs get real.

That said I think he shouldve like favre playing for his dad but as said everyone grieves differently so who are we to judge?
On the other side of the token he couldve been a beast in memory for him and breaking out of his sluggish start. What's done is done I hope he gets pist from not playing and shows up big this week!

FAMILY FIRST MAN I CANT BELIVE THIS IS EVEN A POLL

when you are paid as much as he is, he should be playing. Family is first, but you still need to honor commitment to the team. He was given a leave of absence and that was fine, but from what I understand was he took a few more days after the allotted time. Shanahan preaches dedication, commitment and perseverance, whether he agrees with that or not he should start doing it.

This poll is about the Green Bay game. He wasn't required to return to the team until the day after his brother's funeral. So, he couldn't have "stayed beyond the allotted time" to miss the Green Bay. He returned 2 days after that funeral, instead of 1 day, which might explain his deactivation for Indy. But, this poll isn't about the Indy game, or Albert's contract. It's about GREEN BAY. That's what makes it so ridiculous.

Exactly!

Californiaskin wrote:yah i dont think its bad that al made the choice he made....just not the one i would make.

I think it sheds light on the larger issue of al always putting himself above the team and why he is in the doghouse always

I'm not understanding this comment. Are you saying that you would have foregone the services (one was sat, one was tues) and played in the GB game? Maybe it's too early this morning...

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:yah i dont think its bad that al made the choice he made....just not the one i would make.

I think it sheds light on the larger issue of al always putting himself above the team and why he is in the doghouse always

I'm not understanding this comment. Are you saying that you would have foregone the services (one was sat, one was tues) and played in the GB game? Maybe it's too early this morning...

I know the question wasn't to me, but having the similar view my own opinion is I would like in some way to show the Skins that we are a priority to him. I did not expect it to necessarily be this particular case, only that it was another opportunity to have done so that didn't happen just like all the other opportunities. Even coming to the game and being on the sidelines and flying home and not playing would have been a chance to show we matter to him. It can be something else too, I just want something from him. I know I'm not going to get it.

I've been on his ass as much as the next guy, but I'm giving him a break here. And if the coaches thought he needed the additional game (Colts) off, too, I'm fine with it too.
Now it's open season again, though. I want to see him put in 110%. No more BS excuses. If my boss gave me the equivalent of 6 weeks off plus use of the company jet, you better believe I'd try to pull my weight.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:yah i dont think its bad that al made the choice he made....just not the one i would make.

I think it sheds light on the larger issue of al always putting himself above the team and why he is in the doghouse always

I'm not understanding this comment. Are you saying that you would have foregone the services (one was sat, one was tues) and played in the GB game? Maybe it's too early this morning...

I know the question wasn't to me, but having the similar view my own opinion is I would like in some way to show the Skins that we are a priority to him. I did not expect it to necessarily be this particular case, only that it was another opportunity to have done so that didn't happen just like all the other opportunities. Even coming to the game and being on the sidelines and flying home and not playing would have been a chance to show we matter to him. It can be something else too, I just want something from him. I know I'm not going to get it.

He did come to the Colts game, even if he wasn't allowed to play.

Albert obviously no longer decides if and when he plays. He actually wanted to play against Indy and couldn't. Who is to say Green Bay would have been any different.

All in all, this is a no-brainer to me. Antics aside, he did the right thing for the Green Bay game.

The Hogster wrote:Albert obviously no longer decides if and when he plays. He actually wanted to play against Indy and couldn't. Who is to say Green Bay would have been any different.

All in all, this is a no-brainer to me. Antics aside, he did the right thing for the Green Bay game.

If you're starting another poll asking whether he should have played against Indy, my answer to that would have been no as well. Not because of mourning, but because he was out of shape...

If Manning would have caught him out there and started going no huddle like he was doing, Haynesworth would have died...literally.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Californiaskin wrote:yah i dont think its bad that al made the choice he made....just not the one i would make.

I think it sheds light on the larger issue of al always putting himself above the team and why he is in the doghouse always

I'm not understanding this comment. Are you saying that you would have foregone the services (one was sat, one was tues) and played in the GB game? Maybe it's too early this morning...

I know the question wasn't to me, but having the similar view my own opinion is I would like in some way to show the Skins that we are a priority to him. I did not expect it to necessarily be this particular case, only that it was another opportunity to have done so that didn't happen just like all the other opportunities. Even coming to the game and being on the sidelines and flying home and not playing would have been a chance to show we matter to him. It can be something else too, I just want something from him. I know I'm not going to get it.

I'm sorry Kazoo, family comes first in my mind. There's no freakin way that big Al should have even been present at the GB game. No freakin way.

And I still wait for clarification from CaliforniaSkin.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'm sorry Kazoo, family comes first in my mind. There's no freakin way that big Al should have even been present at the GB game. No freakin way.

And I still wait for clarification from CaliforniaSkin.

I agree with your view on family. But I think teammates are pretty important too. I consider everyone who works for my design and print company to be my teammate and many of them as close to family you can get without being blood or marriage related. I can't imagine just leaving them for a week at any critical time because family is "first." I realize Al and I are completely different animals, I'm pointing that out and not specifically criticizing him for this particular decision. He's as committed to the Skins as a cashier is to McDonalds. It's not that he's like that this time, it's that he's like that every time.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'm sorry Kazoo, family comes first in my mind. There's no freakin way that big Al should have even been present at the GB game. No freakin way.

And I still wait for clarification from CaliforniaSkin.

I agree with your view on family. But I think teammates are pretty important too. I consider everyone who works for my design and print company to be my teammate and many of them as close to family you can get without being blood or marriage related. I can't imagine just leaving them for a week at any critical time because family is "first." I realize Al and I are completely different animals, I'm pointing that out and not specifically criticizing him for this particular decision. He's as committed to the Skins as a cashier is to McDonalds. It's not that he's like that this time, it's that he's like that every time.

Let's rehash the timeline. His brother died on a Thursday. He has services on Saturday and Tuesday. He returned to practice thursday. So what you're suggesting is that he should have flown out saturday nite immediately leaving his family (his immediately family, his mother I am speculating) to go be with his teammates in a game some speculate he should PLAY in. Only to fly back out to attend another service in NC 2 days later. And then to fly back to the DC area to get back to football.

I seriously doubt that any one of his teammates would side with you here. I haven't lost a sibling, but I have lost a mother while I was overseas and came home for her funeral. I did have my family (my platoon/company) and not one of them suggested, "hey, man, take the least amount of time possible, we need you here." To even suggest that anyone be held accountable for that is insane. The more I think about it, the stupider it sounds. This has got to be one of the most moronic points of view I've read here....

Vet - I agree with a lot of what you're saying but I have to ask you - do you think that Haynesworth feels anywhere close to the same for his team mates as you felt for your mates that you served with?

I'm a little suprised that you are using an example like this as I know what I felt about the guys I served with and I would be interested to hear how you think that Haynesworth feels about his 'mates' on the Redskins defense - he has not shown me much lately, but perhaps you can help me understand your thinking about his "committment to excellence"

I have no problem at all with Haynesworth taking all the time he felt he needed with regards to his family and their loss - my only problem with Haynesworth stems from his lack of commitment to this franchise since the new guys took over here

please enlighten me

Hard question for me to answer given I've never been in that situation. I'll tell you this much though, I think we need Fatboy in there.. just him being there on the field makes offenses adjust to him which obviously helps out our other 10 guys

VetSkinsFan wrote:I seriously doubt that any one of his teammates would side with you here

Well, let's clarify what that question means. My issue is he's not committed to the team. For this to be true, they would have to believe that Al is committed to them. You seriously think they think that?

SkinsJock wrote:Vet - I agree with a lot of what you're saying but I have to ask you - do you think that Haynesworth feels anywhere close to the same for his team mates as you felt for your mates that you served with?

I'm a little suprised that you are using an example like this as I know what I felt about the guys I served with and I would be interested to hear how you think that Haynesworth feels about his 'mates' on the Redskins defense - he has not shown me much lately, but perhaps you can help me understand your thinking about his "committment to excellence"

I have no problem at all with Haynesworth taking all the time he felt he needed with regards to his family and their loss - my only problem with Haynesworth stems from his lack of commitment to this franchise since the new guys took over here

please enlighten me

Honestly, I can't comment completely confirm how he feels about his teammates. I used the closest association I could and that was my time in the service. Maybe it was a bad association, but it is what it is. And I've always been giving Haynesworth the benefit since I'm not there to know what's going on first hand.

And honestly, is 7 consecutive days too long to mourn and pay respects to your brother and mourn with your family? It's not as if he's the focal point of production even on the team. Would it be any different if McNabb was in the same situation?

VetSkinsFan wrote:And honestly, is 7 consecutive days too long to mourn and pay respects to your brother and mourn with your family? It's not as if he's the focal point of production even on the team. Would it be any different if McNabb was in the same situation?

But that is the point. Obviously we paid him clearly expecting him to be the focal point of the team. But after blowing off voluntary OTA's, mandatory OTAs, not coming in camp in shape, not being able to pass the infamous conditioning test, getting a condition from being out of shape, sitting out of pre-season and practices with more boo boos and then whining like a little baby when they asked him to play the last game he wasn't in shape to be the focal point of the team. Now that condition which is his fault is the excuse as to why his being away for a week wasn't a big deal.

This is not off season, it's a critical time. I'd be devastated by what happened to him, but I'd also not have lost track of the very important people I'd be leaving behind as well. Seasons are 16 games, pro careers are a decade. This is a big freaking deal to leave a full week right now. I gave him a couple weeks w/o criticizing him, but this as everything else he does shows he doesn't give a rip about us.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:And honestly, is 7 consecutive days too long to mourn and pay respects to your brother and mourn with your family? It's not as if he's the focal point of production even on the team. Would it be any different if McNabb was in the same situation?

But that is the point. Obviously we paid him clearly expecting him to be the focal point of the team. But after blowing off voluntary OTA's, mandatory OTAs, not coming in camp in shape, not being able to pass the infamous conditioning test, getting a condition from being out of shape, sitting out of pre-season and practices with more boo boos and then whining like a little baby when they asked him to play the last game he wasn't in shape to be the focal point of the team. Now that condition which is his fault is the excuse as to why his being away for a week wasn't a big deal.

This is not off season, it's a critical time. I'd be devastated by what happened to him, but I'd also not have lost track of the very important people I'd be leaving behind as well. Seasons are 16 games, pro careers are a decade. This is a big freaking deal to leave a full week right now. I gave him a couple weeks w/o criticizing him, but this as everything else he does shows he doesn't give a rip about us.

Kaz, my friend, we'll have to agree to disagree then. From my own personal point of view, family (brother, mother, father, ect) comes first every time. All the time. Even in crunch time, if my coworker (and I tend to get pretty close to my section due to my personality) needs time, the he gets it without question. I'll work late, come in early, take work home; it doesn't matter, he's got my support. And I've had coworkers do it for me.

The difference in my PoV and my perception of your PoV is yours is a "how does this affect me" thing. How can he leave me and the team at this important time?

I'm not considering the team. I'm thinkin that he goes and does what he does for as long as he needs it, then come back to us and let's move on from there, b/c yes, this is their career, but that's his life, and life is more important than his career in these extreme circumstances.

And from a subordinate to an employer PoV (from my eyes): you support me in my time of need, and I work harder to support you in return. I feel like I matter, not just as a production unit in your business plan, but as a person. I can tell you first hand, if you denied my 7 days leave request for my brother's funeral services and mourning with my family, then you'd be short a production unit, b/c I WOULD take those days.

no worries Vet - I feel for Haynesworth and his family regarding the loss and I have no issues with the time off

ASIDE FROM THIS 'SITUATION' - as I said, I only question his committments to his team and I have to say I'm not sure that we understand the team's committment to him either

From what we've gathered though it would seem that while both 'sides' may have not handled this well - it looks to me like he's let both the FO AND his teammates down while his teammates have not let him down

but that's a little off topic - and we've all hashed this scenario out enough