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Irn-Bru wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Who is hating besides Wahoo??? I haven't heard anyone saying that DMc was a bad move.

Wahoo has.

but it is nice to finally have a QB that isn't a liability.

McNabb is more than "not a liability," though (talk about damning praise). I know you probably agree with me that he's a big positive for the team, but there are several posters on the board who don't grant that much.

Agreed. And, I'm speaking of other people who were in the Gameday thread, and some people that I know personally. I'm not trying to incite a riot. But, I like the reputation that Redskins fans have, and I don't want it ruined by a few flip-floppers who are so quick to impersonate Eagle fans.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Were we watching the same game? He was terrible. I was at the game (as I am every home game) and our entire section groaned every time he one hopped the ball into the receiver...which was a lot. He throws a jump ball to Armstrong, gets 3 P-I's on the final drive and a ball throw to no one in particular caught by Armstrong to set up the game winning field goal.

I reiterate...Donovan is junk.

You should have stayed for the second half...

what a joke of a statement on Donovan. The guy is playing to win. Who gives 2 craps about what it looks like. Don't watch the games if you like style points. I'll take the wins

The Hogster wrote:In the 4th Quarter and Overtime, McNabb went 12 for 12 for 183 yards passing.

Of course the haters wouldn't know that because they were soo anxious to start hating, they had already cut him from the team in the first half.

Wow! I knew he was connecting well but I had no idea he was 100% down the stretch! The Packers were throwing the kitchen sink at the line too. The line did well and McNabb managed to buy just enough time to get the ball off so many times.
One thing that is easy to overlook is leadership and confidence from the QB. When the game is on the line and it is 3rd and 13, I imagine the other 10 guys break from huddle thinking "we can do this". Not many QB's around the league command that kind of respect and confidence among their teammates.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Were we watching the same game? He was terrible. I was at the game (as I am every home game) and our entire section groaned every time he one hopped the ball into the receiver...which was a lot. He throws a jump ball to Armstrong, gets 3 P-I's on the final drive and a ball throw to no one in particular caught by Armstrong to set up the game winning field goal.

I reiterate...Donovan is junk.

Wow! Are you sure UR not from Philly. That was a moronic post!

I just laugh at people who expect a QB to be perfect. NO QB IS PERFECT!!! So DMac short hops some passes, and is a streaky passer. When he is hot, he is blazing hot and when he is cold he is Zero Kelvin cold. That said, #5 will keep you in a game and usually he finds a way to pull out a win! And for a QB, winning is the only thing that matters.

The Eagle went to 5 NFC Championship games with the "junk" calling signals and throwing to (except fro one year) a total wasteland void of any starting quality WRs.

And this year he is #5 in yards passing and he is throwing to a WR corp that may be collectively the worst in the NFL. They may end up being better that that but you could really make a claim for them being the worst and if not the worst they are certainly in the bottom five!

But McNabb is "junk"!

That may be the dumbest thing I have ever read posted on any website!

Let's calm down a bit there. He's not won 3 rings with crap WRs as Brady has. He pulled threw when the defense held on for 3 quarters. He made things happen and extended plays, but you act as if he's doing things a new way. I think we're all in agreeance (vasta majority as least) that he's an upgrade to previous years, but he's not crushing the competition.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Were we watching the same game? He was terrible. I was at the game (as I am every home game) and our entire section groaned every time he one hopped the ball into the receiver...which was a lot. He throws a jump ball to Armstrong, gets 3 P-I's on the final drive and a ball throw to no one in particular caught by Armstrong to set up the game winning field goal.

I reiterate...Donovan is junk.

Wow! Are you sure UR not from Philly. That was a moronic post!

I just laugh at people who expect a QB to be perfect. NO QB IS PERFECT!!! So DMac short hops some passes, and is a streaky passer. When he is hot, he is blazing hot and when he is cold he is Zero Kelvin cold. That said, #5 will keep you in a game and usually he finds a way to pull out a win! And for a QB, winning is the only thing that matters.

The Eagle went to 5 NFC Championship games with the "junk" calling signals and throwing to (except fro one year) a total wasteland void of any starting quality WRs.

And this year he is #5 in yards passing and he is throwing to a WR corp that may be collectively the worst in the NFL. They may end up being better that that but you could really make a claim for them being the worst and if not the worst they are certainly in the bottom five!

But McNabb is "junk"!

That may be the dumbest thing I have ever read posted on any website!

No the dumbest thing written on any website is anointing him the chosen one after 5 games. Let's rewind two years ago...at mid-season Jason Campbell hadn't thrown an interception and Clinton Portis was on his way to an MVP season as the Skins roll to 6-2. Now, fast forward 18 months to the start of the 2010 season. In the time since, the team has gone 6-18. Campbell has lost his job and been run out of town. Portis has rushed for under 1000 yds in a season and a half with a cloudy future.

To act like McNabb is the answer after 5 games of playing 3-2 football may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The same people spouting off now are the same people saying "I told you so" when Campbell played 6-2.

The reason for these boards is to voice opposites of opinion. If we all want to agree that would be pretty boring. That's not to say that I'm playing Devil's Advocate....I do think Donovan is junk. I think the true change in general mood around Redskin Park is due to the Shanahan's. Mike is taking out the people who have been protected and have special relationships with management (i.e. Snyder). Kyle is putting in a vertical passing game where we have hit more big plays than all of last year combined. Mike and Kyle are the reason for success. Can you imagine what this team would be doing if we had a more accurate passer?

The reality....this team averages under 18 points per game. Hardly lighting the world on fire. If you want to make it so the guy is the second coming of some All-Star QB go right ahead. But for now, to me, he is the second coming of Jason Campbell circa 2008...with a whole bunch of people saying I told you so. I may be the next one saying it right back.

I was, and still am, a big fan of Campbell, but comparing Campbell's 6-2 burst, which admittedly was one of his best runs as a QB, to a QB that has taken his (former) team to the playoffs in all but one of his years at the helm is a pretty weak argument.

I guess you could say all but two if you don't count the year he was injured and Garcia took them to the Super Bowl.

McNabb has a lot of things Jason didn't have. He's a confident leader with the respect of his team, and he has a coach that trusts him.

On a bad day for Campbell, we lose. On a bad day for McNabb (26 completions for 357 yards) we won.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:The reason for these boards is to voice opposites of opinion. If we all want to agree that would be pretty boring

Waahhh, waahhh. If my view is criticized that means people don't appreciate disagreement. I need to be able to state my view free of disagreement or you're not respecting my right to disagree Waah, waaah, of course that doesn't mean I"m not going to tell you how stupid your views all are. Waaah waaah.

Bob 0119 wrote:I was, and still am, a big fan of Campbell, but comparing Campbell's 6-2 burst, which admittedly was one of his best runs as a QB, to a QB that has taken his (former) team to the playoffs in all but one of his years at the helm is a pretty weak argument

It also ignores that even at that time there was concern he needed to improve his play. Granted we thought he would, but to say that everyone thought he was a great QB at that point and there was no concern is very Rayesque.

No the dumbest thing written on any website is anointing him the chosen one after 5 games.

There is a big difference between "junk" and "the chosen one." To play along with that comment, Alex Smith is junk. Trent Edwards is junk. Putting Donovan in that category is just not a smart comparison.

If the "chosen one" is someone like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, then no. McNabb is not the "chosen one".

But, he IS the ONE CHOSEN for the Redskins. He's much better better than anything we've had in decades.

Besides, I must have missed when Tom Brady and Manning were available on the waiver wire.

Let's rewind two years ago...at mid-season Jason Campbell hadn't thrown an interception and Clinton Portis was on his way to an MVP season as the Skins roll to 6-2. Now, fast forward 18 months to the start of the 2010 season. In the time since, the team has gone 6-18. Campbell has lost his job and been run out of town. Portis has rushed for under 1000 yds in a season and a half with a cloudy future.

I fail to see any point here. If you are comparing Jason Campbell's start to McNabb's, then that is a horrible comparison.

Jason Campbell was an unproven commodity and so was Jim Zorn and his offense. Donovan McNabb is a proven commodity, and so is Mike Shanahan.

To act like McNabb is the answer after 5 games of playing 3-2 football may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The same people spouting off now are the same people saying "I told you so" when Campbell played 6-2.

And, if you think one player is "The Answer" then you know very little about football.

Nobody said McNabb is The Answer. But, he is a part of the solution for this year, and perhaps the next few years.

Who do you suggest is The Answer?? And, when was that player available for us to grab?? We'll wait.

That's not to say that I'm playing Devil's Advocate....I do think Donovan is junk.

If you think McNabb is "junk", then your motives are in serious doubt. Junk??

BTW, you've been traded to the Philly fanbase. We don't need that kind of idiocy around here.

I think the true change in general mood around Redskin Park is due to the Shanahan's. Mike is taking out the people who have been protected and have special relationships with management (i.e. Snyder). Kyle is putting in a vertical passing game where we have hit more big plays than all of last year combined. Mike and Kyle are the reason for success.

You are trying so hard to avoid giving McNabb any credit that you are making yourself look very biased.

Mike Shanahan has changed the culture around here. Part of that culture change involved bringing in McNabb. A proven leader. A proven winner.

Kyle only calls the plays, he can't run them. Yet you give Mike and Kyle all of the praise?

Can you imagine what this team would be doing if we had a more accurate passer?

Can you imagine what this team would be like if we had Adrian Peterson??? Oh, how about Andre Johnson and Randy Moss at WR. How about Sean Taylor at safety and the Hogs up front???

Put simply, what the hell are you arguing? You make no sense. You admit that we hit more big plays than all of last year. Did you note who was throwing those passes?

The reality....this team averages under 18 points per game. Hardly lighting the world on fire. If you want to make it so the guy is the second coming of some All-Star QB go right ahead. But for now, to me, he is the second coming of Jason Campbell circa 2008...with a whole bunch of people saying I told you so. I may be the next one saying it right back

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You have to win an award for most poorly thought out post here. Were you a Skins fan for the past 10 years?? Did you witness the Eagles behind McNabb win the East year in and year out??

How about those Pro Bowls, were all of the players, coaches, and fans just doing him a favor by voting him in??

Please have a seat on the Acela Express Wahoo McDaniels, we appreciate your time as a Skins fan, but you've been traded to Philly.

Look at it as an opportunity to go somewhere that fits your talents...mindless, hateful, angry, uninformed, emotional, and delusional. You'll flourish buddy.

The tenor of this thread is becoming both hostile and personal. Folks need to check it, or move it to Smack. Y'all are big boys... y'all know the rules. Abide by 'em.

Campbell lacks situational awareness and mobility, and can't seem to hold on to the ball (5 fumbles in what, 2 1/2 games ?). That alone would have totally gotten him (and us) killed behind this joke of an O line.

I can't take anybody serious that's trying to tell me we'd be better off with JC than with McNabb.

I just don't know what McNabb had done to people to be this polarizing of a figure. I guess winning doesn't matter.

SAP_Pete wrote:Campbell lacks situational awareness and mobility, and can't seem to hold on to the ball (5 fumbles in what, 2 1/2 games ?). That alone would have totally gotten him (and us) killed behind this joke of an O line.

I can't take anybody serious that's trying to tell me we'd be better off with JC than with McNabb.

McNabb took one hard sack yesterday from the blind side, yet he held onto the ball... with Campbell that was a guaranteed fumble.

I'm not a McNabb Hater, but I'm far from convinced he's the long-term solution for the Skins, and his performance brings up some caution flags that may spell trouble for the Skins as the season progresses.

I'm concerned about a few things:

1) Too many errant throws for my taste. (JC would get killed for these types of throws)
2) Too many throws into the dirt. (yard totals would be tops in the league if he just aimed higher.)
3) Ball speed on mid-range throws. (Some drops on Sunday, I believe, could have been prevented had he taken some off of the ball on the throws)
4) Minor injuries are starting to plague him on a weekly basis. (He might not make it through the year if that keeps up.)
5) Pass attempts per game. (Might we see his arm fall off by week 10? (What then, Sexy Rexie?)

Of course, the 3-2 start is tempering my judgment on Mcnabb right now, and I'excited as all heck that the team believes in him.

However, he DOES need to pick up his game, so games won't always have to come down to the wire.

Far from being a Mcnabb Lover, TRO will be watchin' you Numero Cinco!

^^^

I'm sure McCinco is worried....


1) McNabb has a quality winning record... Campbell?
2) True... OTOH, he does that typically when under pressure... and those don't turn into picks...
3) Are you kidding? And, your comparing him to "every throw is a rocket" Campbell???
4) True... the man needs better pro...
5) The man grew up on a team with no running game... seriously???

Countertrey wrote:1) McNabb has a quality winning record... Campbell?
2) True... OTOH, he does that typically when under pressure... and those don't turn into picks...
3) Are you kidding? And, your comparing him to "every throw is a rocket" Campbell???
4) True... the man needs better pro...
5) The man grew up on a team with no running game... seriously???

1) Some might argue that this year's winning record isn't so "quality," but point well taken, nonetheless.
2) Yeah, he is much more suscessful at throwing picks on long bombs. o figure.
3) A guy with a "quality winng record" ought to be able to put the ball in his playmakers' hands without potentially knocking 'em out for a few weeks, no?
4) Sweet! We're 20% in agreement. Better than our normal .0020% Hooray!
5) Good point, however, he's in his "growing old" stage, and the team needs to be in a position to succeed when he inevitably breaks down. Having a solid ground game would help Rexie (or COLT!!!!! ) guide the ship, should he need to take time off for arma replacement.

Thanks for taking time to answer each point, CT.

I have never been too impressed by McNabb and one of the reasons is I HATED the Eagles and any other divisional qb against us...but I admit he wins games and at the end of the day thats all you need to do as a quarterback. He's always had the confidence of his coaches and players around him and doesn't turn the ball over.

Every analyst can agree upon that but now instead of comparing him to our past (Campbell) we should be grading him if he can win a SUPER BOWL for us and not win a Campbell vs. McNabb debate. His accolades clearly surpass Campbell so lets put him in the Brady, Manning, Bree's category...let those guys be the standard instead of Campbell. Compare him to them.

We are 3-2 people...wake up McNabb and the rest of the team need to play better, were not scaring anyone in the league. But a win is a win but don't sit up here with your rose colored glasses and say McNabb played at pro bowl level this game or have played at a consistent level thus far. But he's done enough for us to win....right now he's your average qb.

But a win is a win but don't sit up here with your rose colored glasses and say McNabb played at pro bowl level this game or have played at a consistent level thus far.

Yeah... any point is so much more powerful with the exaggerations...

tcwest10 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:did he steal your dog, or something?

No. That was the other former Eagles starting QB.

Funny, but so wrong.

How in the heck do people come off whining and complaining about McRibb? The Redskins haven't had ANYONE that could carry his jock in over a decade+. What the heck... Yall will complain about anything.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:I'm not a McNabb Hater, but I'm far from convinced he's the long-term solution for the Skins, and his performance brings up some caution flags that may spell trouble for the Skins as the season progresses.

Your right. Lets bring back Brunell.

People complain about McRibb like we had Dan Marino, Peyton Manning and are now settling for McRibb.


Ramsey, Wuerfell, Mattews....HELLOOOO!

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Were we watching the same game? He was terrible. I was at the game (as I am every home game) and our entire section groaned every time he one hopped the ball into the receiver...which was a lot. He throws a jump ball to Armstrong, gets 3 P-I's on the final drive and a ball throw to no one in particular caught by Armstrong to set up the game winning field goal.

I reiterate...Donovan is junk.

Wow! Are you sure UR not from Philly. That was a moronic post!

I just laugh at people who expect a QB to be perfect. NO QB IS PERFECT!!! So DMac short hops some passes, and is a streaky passer. When he is hot, he is blazing hot and when he is cold he is Zero Kelvin cold. That said, #5 will keep you in a game and usually he finds a way to pull out a win! And for a QB, winning is the only thing that matters.

The Eagle went to 5 NFC Championship games with the "junk" calling signals and throwing to (except fro one year) a total wasteland void of any starting quality WRs.

And this year he is #5 in yards passing and he is throwing to a WR corp that may be collectively the worst in the NFL. They may end up being better that that but you could really make a claim for them being the worst and if not the worst they are certainly in the bottom five!

But McNabb is "junk"!

That may be the dumbest thing I have ever read posted on any website!

I take exception to the idea we have one of the worse receiving corps in the league. Both ey and Moss are exceptional and it looks like Armstrong is going to join them. McNabb is a fine quarterback and would magically turn into a great one if we were solid at RB and OL.