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Enjoy this win, expect improvements. We are 2- 0 in the division, let's see if the young guys continue to get a chance to get better.

McNabb is the worst QB in the league to take his team to the playoffs nearly every year in one of the toughest divisions in football; absolutely lousy. The Eagles were right to get rid of him 'cuz Kolb is obviously a stud.

McNabb didn't lose the Texas game with 400 passing yards or the St. Louis game with 250. I'm thinking the league's 32nd ranked defense had a little something to do with that.

McNabb didn't lose the Texas game with 400 passing yards or the St. Louis game with 250. I'm thinking the league's 32nd ranked defense had a little something to do with that.

McNabb played great against the Texans but he was subpar against the Rams. A 79.7 qb rating against the Rams is nothing to be happy about.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

McNabb didn't lose the Texas game with 400 passing yards or the St. Louis game with 250. I'm thinking the league's 32nd ranked defense had a little something to do with that.

McNabb played great against the Texans but he was subpar against the Rams. A 79.7 qb rating against the Rams is nothing to be happy about.

Certainly not gonna win an MVP with those numbers, but ya gotta admit, the D made Bradford look like a Pro-Bowler

Bob 0119 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

McNabb didn't lose the Texas game with 400 passing yards or the St. Louis game with 250. I'm thinking the league's 32nd ranked defense had a little something to do with that.

McNabb played great against the Texans but he was subpar against the Rams. A 79.7 qb rating against the Rams is nothing to be happy about.

Certainly not gonna win an MVP with those numbers, but ya gotta admit, the D made Bradford look like a Pro-Bowler

Oh absolutely. The D was atrocious during that game. I think the offense wasn't far behind though. The offense I think will get better though as McNabb gets more comfortable and we get Trent back. Unfortunately I don't have the same hope for the defense this year.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

McNabb didn't lose the Texas game with 400 passing yards or the St. Louis game with 250. I'm thinking the league's 32nd ranked defense had a little something to do with that.

McNabb played great against the Texans but he was subpar against the Rams. A 79.7 qb rating against the Rams is nothing to be happy about.

Certainly not gonna win an MVP with those numbers, but ya gotta admit, the D made Bradford look like a Pro-Bowler

Oh absolutely. The D was atrocious during that game. I think the offense wasn't far behind though. The offense I think will get better though as McNabb gets more comfortable and we get Trent back. Unfortunately I don't have the same hope for the defense this year.

One of those rare moments where we agree.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Everybody's always making excuses for him. In Philly, he never had elite WR talent. He finally gets elite talent and the Eagles realize that he's the guy holding them back and they ship him off.

What? I can't believe you are serious, but I know you are.

Deadskins wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Everybody's always making excuses for him. In Philly, he never had elite WR talent. He finally gets elite talent and the Eagles realize that he's the guy holding them back and they ship him off.

What? I can't believe you are serious, but I know you are.

Not sure why Wahoo has such an issue with Mcnabb, but it's obvious it has more to do than just his QB play.

BTW Deadskins, you kicked my ass this week in fantasy...

Wahoo, check smack talk buddy....

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Had a shaky second half due to nerves and emotions I think. His D and rb did enough to hold on he owes the team.

What was last week's excuse? The vaunted St. Louis Rams pass rushing defense?

Everybody's always making excuses for him. In Philly, he never had elite WR talent. He finally gets elite talent and the Eagles realize that he's the guy holding them back and they ship him off.

Realize the guy has serious limitations.

He throws a very nice seam pass and 4 yd hitch. Besides that, he can make NO other throw on the field. His 15 yd outs (the throw that Pro QBs are judged on) is possibly the worst in the league. His bombs have low accuracy.

Have you noticed our lack of WR talent?

Mcnabb rarely had WR talent to work with. The one year he had T.O. they went all the way to the Super Bowl.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:All because of Good Ole' #5. We're going to ride a lot of victories completing 1 second half pass.

The guy sucks...say it with me.

He...
is....
Terrible.

DUDE PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOWN

ATX_Skins wrote:BTW Deadskins, you kicked my ass this week in fantasy...

It's about time.
Not sure why Manningham got no points; I fell asleep. Did he get injured or something? I'm hoping Gronkowski can't get 28 points tonight, and spoil my fun.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:All because of Good Ole' #5. We're going to ride a lot of victories completing 1 second half pass.

And these victories upset you because? Myself, I'd be happy if we rode him to any kind of victory. A W is a W.

Deadskins wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:BTW Deadskins, you kicked my ass this week in fantasy...

It's about time.
Not sure why Manningham got no points; I fell asleep. Did he get injured or something? I'm hoping Gronkowski can't get 28 points tonight, and spoil my fun.

Not sure but Steve Smith got nothing either. I woke up at midnight to watch the Skins game then passed out.

If gronkowski gets 4 TD's the world may be coming to an end tonight lol.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:All because of Good Ole' #5. We're going to ride a lot of victories completing 1 second half pass.

The guy sucks...say it with me.

He...
is....
Terrible.

McNabb is a good QB - more important to this franchise is he's a leader and he gives us a QB that we can have confidence in if the game is close in the 4th quarter

McNabb will also provide the next future great Redskins QB with a great mentor


I'm sure that both Kyle and Mike would rather have McNabb as their QB than any other QB in this division

riggofan wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Had a shaky second half due to nerves and emotions I think. His D and rb did enough to hold on he owes the team.

What was last week's excuse? The vaunted St. Louis Rams pass rushing defense?

Everybody's always making excuses for him. In Philly, he never had elite WR talent. He finally gets elite talent and the Eagles realize that he's the guy holding them back and they ship him off.

Realize the guy has serious limitations.

He throws a very nice seam pass and 4 yd hitch. Besides that, he can make NO other throw on the field. His 15 yd outs (the throw that Pro QBs are judged on) is possibly the worst in the league. His bombs have low accuracy.

Yeah just look at that awful pass he threw to Anthony Armstrong. What a terrible QB.

Seriously, give me a freaking break. McNabb is our entire offense right now.

The one that was out of bounds?

And NcNabb WASN'T our whole offense this game... he actually has less yards than CP/Torrain combo.

HEROHAMO wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Had a shaky second half due to nerves and emotions I think. His D and rb did enough to hold on he owes the team.

What was last week's excuse? The vaunted St. Louis Rams pass rushing defense?

Everybody's always making excuses for him. In Philly, he never had elite WR talent. He finally gets elite talent and the Eagles realize that he's the guy holding them back and they ship him off.

Realize the guy has serious limitations.

He throws a very nice seam pass and 4 yd hitch. Besides that, he can make NO other throw on the field. His 15 yd outs (the throw that Pro QBs are judged on) is possibly the worst in the league. His bombs have low accuracy.

Have you noticed our lack of WR talent?

Mcnabb rarely had WR talent to work with. The one year he had T.O. they went all the way to the Super Bowl.

You can only blame wr talent so much though. Yesterday he was flat out missing guys. That throw in which he hit Armstrong out of bounds is what people on here, including myself, killed Campbell for. He is a good qb no doubt and huge upgrade from JC, but games like yesterday where his accuracy was awful is why Philly fans got on him so much.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Had a shaky second half due to nerves and emotions I think. His D and rb did enough to hold on he owes the team.

What was last week's excuse? The vaunted St. Louis Rams pass rushing defense?

Everybody's always making excuses for him. In Philly, he never had elite WR talent. He finally gets elite talent and the Eagles realize that he's the guy holding them back and they ship him off.

Realize the guy has serious limitations.

He throws a very nice seam pass and 4 yd hitch. Besides that, he can make NO other throw on the field. His 15 yd outs (the throw that Pro QBs are judged on) is possibly the worst in the league. His bombs have low accuracy.

Have you noticed our lack of WR talent?

Mcnabb rarely had WR talent to work with. The one year he had T.O. they went all the way to the Super Bowl.

You can only blame wr talent so much though. Yesterday he was flat out missing guys. That throw in which he hit Armstrong out of bounds is what people on here, including myself, killed Campbell for. He is a good qb no doubt and huge upgrade from JC, but games like yesterday where his accuracy was awful is why Philly fans got on him so much.

Absolutely, but at the end of the day he's still a winner. And that's the statistic that matters the most.

Deadskins wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Had a shaky second half due to nerves and emotions I think. His D and rb did enough to hold on he owes the team.

What was last week's excuse? The vaunted St. Louis Rams pass rushing defense?

Everybody's always making excuses for him. In Philly, he never had elite WR talent. He finally gets elite talent and the Eagles realize that he's the guy holding them back and they ship him off.

Realize the guy has serious limitations.

He throws a very nice seam pass and 4 yd hitch. Besides that, he can make NO other throw on the field. His 15 yd outs (the throw that Pro QBs are judged on) is possibly the worst in the league. His bombs have low accuracy.

Have you noticed our lack of WR talent?

Mcnabb rarely had WR talent to work with. The one year he had T.O. they went all the way to the Super Bowl.

You can only blame wr talent so much though. Yesterday he was flat out missing guys. That throw in which he hit Armstrong out of bounds is what people on here, including myself, killed Campbell for. He is a good qb no doubt and huge upgrade from JC, but games like yesterday where his accuracy was awful is why Philly fans got on him so much.

Absolutely, but at the end of the day he's still a winner. And that's the statistic that matters the most.

Agree 100%. That is why he is such a huge upgrade imo over JC. It's not necessarily the physical skills, it's the pockets presence, leadership, etc. that you get with McNabb. Like with all players though you take the good (leadership, proven winner, etc.) with the bad (accuracy). In his case though the good far outweighs the bad on most days.

Exactly - there are some QBs that find a way to win - McNabb will give you that edge

reading the loser papers you can see that DC doesn't have an exclusive on stupid reporters - they intimate that the fumble was not a clear cut call and that if this or that had happened they would have won the game

The best is that IF they had scored a TD at the end of the first half, things might have gone differently - DUH! I think if they scored a TD then Kyle would have allowed McNabb to find a way to get it done

McNabb was not leaving that field without a W especially after the start we got, NO WAY

good QBs find a way to get the win sometimes and we've got one in B&G

CanesSkins26 wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Had a shaky second half due to nerves and emotions I think. His D and rb did enough to hold on he owes the team.

What was last week's excuse? The vaunted St. Louis Rams pass rushing defense?

Everybody's always making excuses for him. In Philly, he never had elite WR talent. He finally gets elite talent and the Eagles realize that he's the guy holding them back and they ship him off.

Realize the guy has serious limitations.

He throws a very nice seam pass and 4 yd hitch. Besides that, he can make NO other throw on the field. His 15 yd outs (the throw that Pro QBs are judged on) is possibly the worst in the league. His bombs have low accuracy.

Have you noticed our lack of WR talent?

Mcnabb rarely had WR talent to work with. The one year he had T.O. they went all the way to the Super Bowl.

You can only blame wr talent so much though. Yesterday he was flat out missing guys. That throw in which he hit Armstrong out of bounds is what people on here, including myself, killed Campbell for. He is a good qb no doubt and huge upgrade from JC, but games like yesterday where his accuracy was awful is why Philly fans got on him so much.

I like McNabb quite a bit, but it was absurd he was named player of the game yesterday. He was awful-- interception, throwing the ball in the dirt, missing receivers. He was almost solely the reason we bogged down in the second half. Just shows how ludicrous some awards are.

Armstrong encouraged me, even though he caught just one pass. His four receptions this year look good when you consider his limited number of opportunities. I think he could be the answer to our WR problem if Shanny gets over his man crush on Galloway.

Let's all hope we don't have to use Heyer again. I wish him well-- just don't want to see him on our line. Torain played OK, with some toughness. He's not going to win us any champtionships, but seems to be an adequate backup, with OK cutting ability, average burst, and adequate speed. Just don't expect him to be a star-- won't happen.

CanesSkins26 wrote:Agree 100%. That is why he is such a huge upgrade imo over JC. It's not necessarily the physical skills, it's the pockets presence, leadership, etc. that you get with McNabb. Like with all players though you take the good (leadership, proven winner, etc.) with the bad (accuracy). In his case though the good far outweighs the bad on most days.

Agreed. While McNabb is just barely more accurate than Campbell, he is still a MUCH better QB in every other area. You don't see McNabb dropping back into the DE coming around the corner. He makes quicker decisions. He knows when to run and is effective when he does. He's also the leader that JC couldn't manage to be. I haven't seen the deer-in-the-headlights look yet from D Mac... any JC fans longing to see that again?

I think there are people that will complain endlessly about the QB position until the Redskins attach Sonny Jurgensen's head to the Incredible Hulk's body. (which would be awesome)

Mcnabb scrambled and ran out of bounds there towards the end. A lot of guys got on him for not sliding in bounds. All I could think of is imagining Campbell throwing it out of bounds and not picking up the first down.

You guys are correct in saying Mcnabb finds ways to win.

ATX_Skins wrote:Mcnabb scrambled and ran out of bounds there towards the end. A lot of guys got on him for not sliding in bounds.

I'm one of those. If he stays in bounds, the Smeagols have to use their final time out, and we probably run out the clock without them getting the ball back. At least they would have only had a few seconds rather than the 1:07 we gave them. Avant should have made that Hail Mary catch, but then again, Carlos Rogers should have made his catch too.

Deadskins wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Mcnabb scrambled and ran out of bounds there towards the end. A lot of guys got on him for not sliding in bounds.

I'm one of those. If he stays in bounds, the Smeagols have to use their final time out, and we probably run out the clock without them getting the ball back. At least they would have only had a few seconds rather than the 1:07 we gave them. Avant should have made that Hail Mary catch, but then again, Carlos Rogers should have made his catch too.

AND - Both Rogers' and Avant's pass catching abilities are well known


woulda, coulda, shoulda - we won