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CanesSkins26 wrote:

Mix it up is all I ask. I like the 3-4 but we have to mix it up. We ain't Pittsburgh.

Agreed. I like the idea of the 3-4, but until we have the personnel in place to run it effectively we need to be mixing in more 4-3 packages. This is starting to look like one of those situations where a coach is hell-bent on forcing a scheme onto a group of players that aren't suited to run it.

Couldn't agree more with this quote. Orakpo, IMO should be on the line with his hand in the dirt wreaking havoc on the QB every down like Dwight Freeney. On the other side should be Andre Carter doing the same. These guys look like two fish out of water when they have to drop into coverage. Also, Fletcher seems a little slower to the ball in the 3-4. The only ones who are seemingly playing well are Carricker, who is use to a 3-4 and Landry, because Haslet is smart enough to realize he can't cover a paper bag, so he has him blitzing every down.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

I'm not as good about this stuff as some here but in my opinion we were VERY close to going 2-0 and at this time we are 1-1

Who cares how close we were to going 2-0? We were also VERY close to going 0-2.

well that's for sure - I'm sure you're very happy in your world and I'm sure you'll like knowing that I like to look on the positive side of things

HOWEVER - I care how close we are - as you point out - we are very lucky not to be at 0-2 BUT, EVEN IF we were, in my way of looking at things, I'd still be on here saying "we are a huge improvement on what we saw at the begining of last season"

HOWEVER - we are 1-1 and we are playing good football IMO
I love the way the players are playing with a lot of intensity and the coaching on BOTH offense and defense is way better than we've seen here in a decade


some here are being way to critical IMO after only 2 games:
- let's see if they can improve the run game - this will happen

- let's see if the offensive line can get it together - doubtful but it will improve

- let's see if the defense starts to gel - how great would that be considering they're already looking really good

basing assumptions on our pass defense after that 1 game is a big mistake IMO - this defense is going to be a lot better than what we just saw

SkinsJock wrote: - let's see if the defense starts to gel - how great would that be considering they're already looking really good

basing assumptions on our pass defense after that 1 game is a big mistake IMO - this defense is going to be a lot better than what we just saw

The pass defense was shredded in both games. While they didn't give up 500 yards passing against the Cowboys, they still got 380 yards. Yes, the Cowboys didn't score much, but that's mainly because they repeatedly shot themselves in the foot in that game.

Not sure why you have such optimism about the defense. It's been awful so far.

I wouldn't say awful but ... I guess I'm just 'judging' the defense off the good things we've seen and I'm kind of hoping that we will see more of that quality of play and aggressive play calling by Haslett

the defense seems to be more exciting to watch and I think that we will see them get better and better whereas I don't expect great things from our offense

Our D is fine why not have optimism? Might as well not watch a game and think we r gonna go 1-15? We were facing two GREAT offensive opponents and though we lost the later in the fourth we clearly had them both beat. We r Skins fans so be positive every week we improve. Foster didn't get 250 yrds rushing on us + and keep in mind yea some guys got beat our secoundary needs to improve but Austin and Andrea are animals and always habe good games not to mention (though I hate homo) both QBs are top ten at least. We r a work in progress but every week = better and better. I can't wait to smash the pukes at home.... Or god willing poop on the Texans in the superbowl in the "biggest most expensive" stadium.
O yea this IS halls D and if he got AJ all day wed be 2-0 fo sho. Who leads the NFC east? Us! Go figure huh? To the haters smoke on that! If SF can go from getting owned by who Seattle? To almost knocking off the superbowl champ saints I'm quite confident our D can turn it around in areas they need. The Secret

cowboykillerzRED wrote:D hall! I got em! All day at least he can jump puke one em buckanan leaving coverage making a big white try to jump w him? Idiot

What?

Thinking of ST is very frustrating. That besides the emotional toll it took on the team, really hurt us in two areas. He was playing better than any FS at that time and Landry is one of the best SS at the league. We lost a lot from losing Landry as a SS and even more losing Taylor as a FS. That would be the most feared and possibly best safety combination to ever play.

Shabutie wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:D hall! I got em! All day at least he can jump puke one em buckanan leaving coverage making a big white try to jump w him? Idiot

What?

Thinking of ST is very frustrating. That besides the emotional toll it took on the team, really hurt us in two areas. He was playing better than any FS at that time and Landry is one of the best SS at the league. We lost a lot from losing Landry as a SS and even more losing Taylor as a FS. That would be the most feared and possibly best safety combination to ever play.

Sorry I usually only post from my phone.. And mistakes happen a lot. I meant D hall! Yay that's my boy- I got em! Is an expression like he s got the coverage pick strip block etc then I was recalling the blown coverage puke-on-him (buchannon spell check sorry) had giving a tall and supremely talented WR a jump ball against a white guy- meaning he can't jump cus when doughty I believe it was tried to jump with him it was so pathetic he had a better chance of hitting him hard and causing a drop. My bad sorry for the illiterate post

PulpExposure wrote:

SkinsJock wrote: - let's see if the defense starts to gel - how great would that be considering they're already looking really good

basing assumptions on our pass defense after that 1 game is a big mistake IMO - this defense is going to be a lot better than what we just saw

The pass defense was shredded in both games. While they didn't give up 500 yards passing against the Cowboys, they still got 380 yards. Yes, the Cowboys didn't score much, but that's mainly because they repeatedly shot themselves in the foot in that game.

Not sure why you have such optimism about the defense. It's been awful so far.

PE,
THis is pretty much what I expected when I heard Haslett was going to be our DC. I expected a below average D in both yards and points allowed. But I also expected more sacks and more turn overs.

I'v been right on both accounts.

In years past, if we score 21 point there was a pretty good chance we were going to win. I think we need to raise that to 30 now. If we average 21 points a game, we are going to have a hard time going 8-8.

I'm not over reacting to this game, this is what I thought all off season. If Dallas didn't have the dumbest OC in the NFL, they would have hung 20-30 on us.

I'm glad we have Haslett in charge here and much prefer the way the players are playing to anythingwe saw from Blache or Greg Williams

I'm sure our defense will be a lot more effective in the coming weeks

I think that Haslett's style of play and game planning is going to give the offense a lot better field position and more opportunities than if Greg Williams or Blache were still our defensive co-ordinators = boring




D Hall and our secondary is going to be given a lot of opportunities with this D

SkinsJock wrote:I'm glad we have Haslett in charge here and much prefer the way the players are playing to anythingwe saw from Blache or Greg Williams

I'm sure our defense will be a lot more effective in the coming weeks

I think that Haslett's style of play and game planning is going to give the offense a lot better field position and more opportunities than if Greg Williams or Blache were still our defensive co-ordinators = boring

I agree about Blache. However, Williams is head and shoulders above Haslett as a defensive coordinator.

You might be right but (just like Campbell at QB) he didn't show me a defense while he was here that worked as hard to make plays for him as Haslett has got these guys doing

This defense will be a lot better than anything we saw while Williams was here when it is looked at after the season and not just 2 games

this guy has these guys all believing in him - Williams was not a patch on this guy while he was here

I wanted Williams to be our HC at one time - I'm thrilled with both our HC and our DC

CanesSkins26 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I'm glad we have Haslett in charge here and much prefer the way the players are playing to anythingwe saw from Blache or Greg Williams

I'm sure our defense will be a lot more effective in the coming weeks

I think that Haslett's style of play and game planning is going to give the offense a lot better field position and more opportunities than if Greg Williams or Blache were still our defensive co-ordinators = boring

I agree about Blache. However, Williams is head and shoulders above Haslett as a defensive coordinator.

I was thinking the same thing when I read it. I'm not down on Haslett at this point, but Williams was a great D coordinator. He just sucked as a HC.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I'm not down on Haslett at this point, but Williams was a great D coordinator. He just sucked as a HC.

I'll agree that Greg is maybe better as a DC than a HC but ...

I don't agree that he was a "great DC" - he might have been very good but recently he's not showing me all that much

we almost beat his D last year and we were one of the worst offensively run franchises in recent memory - our bingo caller almost beat his "great" D

last night his D did not exactly dominate the 49ers offense and their QB Akili Smith

he's a good DC but I don't think he's as good as he thinks he is and "great" is not an appropriate description at all

I'm very pleased with Haslett and think that he'll show a lot of doubters why Shanahan wanted him here

OMG how can people be down on Haslett two games in?

How can people complain in the first year of a NEW DEFENSE with carry over players?

How can people complain when they see the growth this defense has made and the direction in which it's headed?

It's going to take 2 years.

Thanks Chris

c'mon people - give these guys a chance - we are 1-1 and we are only 2 games into a season following a season that was a nightmare

we actually have a lot of good things happening and some of you are acting like we are blowing our chance at the Super Bowl

PAPDOG67 wrote:Hard to believe, but Carlos is our best cover CB when you're talking about man to man coverage. DHall is only good in a zone setting, when he has a chance to anticipate throws.

I agree with that.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Mix it up is all I ask. I like the 3-4 but we have to mix it up. We ain't Pittsburgh.

Agreed. I like the idea of the 3-4, but until we have the personnel in place to run it effectively we need to be mixing in more 4-3 packages. This is starting to look like one of those situations where a coach is hell-bent on forcing a scheme onto a group of players that aren't suited to run it.

+1

patience people - it's been 2 games and those games have given the DC and his coaches a lot of information

give the guys running things here a little more credit - we'll have a good defense here this season

SkinsJock wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I'm not down on Haslett at this point, but Williams was a great D coordinator. He just sucked as a HC.

I'll agree that Greg is maybe better as a DC than a HC but ...

I don't agree that he was a "great DC" - he might have been very good but recently he's not showing me all that much

we almost beat his D last year and we were one of the worst offensively run franchises in recent memory - our bingo caller almost beat his "great" D

last night his D did not exactly dominate the 49ers offense and their QB Akili Smith

he's a good DC but I don't think he's as good as he thinks he is and "great" is not an appropriate description at all

I'm very pleased with Haslett and think that he'll show a lot of doubters why Shanahan wanted him here

All these almosts don't mean jack. The only thing that matters in the end is the W-L. You can qualify your opinions with almosts if you want, but it doesn't work with me.

And didn't that 'good, not great' defensive coordinator help win the SuperBowl last year?

no worries - I'm happy with who we have and could not care less about Williams as a DC - I'm only worried about what happens with the Redskins and I'm real glad we don't have Greg Williams here AND that we do have Haslett and Shanahan - we're much better off

you know what Vet - I think Williams is not here because he's not good enough - AND it's my opinion that the Saints would be even better with a better DC - Williams didn't do all that well last year BUT who cares about him - HE'S NOT HERE - good riddance

VetSkinsFan wrote:All these almosts don't mean jack. The only thing that matters in the end is the W-L. You can qualify your opinions with almosts if you want, but it doesn't work with me.

sorry - I'll be sure to try and tailor my posts better to get your approval

Hey Vet - give it a break - we are having fun here

you know what Vet - I think Williams is not here because he's not good enough

Oh I see....Williams is good enough to help a team like the Saints, with historically bad defenses, win the Super Bowl but he's not good enough for DC? Riiiiiiight.

The Williams/Haslett comparison is useless anyway, but to say that Williams isn't good enough of a DC to be with the Skins is idiotic.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

you know what Vet - I think Williams is not here because he's not good enough

Oh I see....Williams is good enough to help a team like the Saints, with historically bad defenses, win the Super Bowl but he's not good enough for DC? Riiiiiiight.

The Williams/Haslett comparison is useless anyway, but to say that Williams isn't good enough of a DC to be with the Skins is idiotic.

He's wholeheartedly following the new regime and most answers are like this. I tend to not give them any thought b/c there's no argument vs, "I agree with the coaches and they're the coaches and you're not!"

How can people complain in the first year of a NEW DEFENSE with carry over players?

Because the decision to switch to a 3-4 with the personnel that we have didn't make any damn sense. If most of these players aren't equipped to run it and need to be replaced for it to run effectively, why not wait to switch until you have the proper personnel.

I remember how a lot of people here, myself included, applauded Shanahan for saying at his opening presser that they were going to devise schemes that fit the players, not try to fit players into a scheme that they are not suited for. Well on defense we've done the exact opposite of what Shanahan said by trying to force a scheme upon players that aren't equipped to run it. Even a consummate pro like Fletcher doesn't look comfortable in this defense. I understand that they envision a 3-4 defense like the Steelers and Ravens run, but you have to have the players to execute it. We don't.

SkinsJock wrote:Hey Vet - give it a break - we are having fun here

Unfortunately High School level clicks and people taking themselves WAY too seriously are factors on the site. But I'm glad I'm not the only one just having fun...