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I normally hate the call to take points off the board, but I think in this situation he was thinking 3 would keep them in the game, but they needed a td badly and that was the perfect spot to do it, it could have been a 7 minute drive to start the half and a 17-0 lead....game over

But it didn't work out that way, a dropped pass, a dropped hold, just a bad sequence of plays, thankfully they still won the game, and that sequence didn't cost them.....tough call for the coach, you won't see him do that everytime I just thought under the circumstance he thought it was the right call and I agree with him..

The call he made that I questioned was to go for the 48 yard field goal and give the Pokes good field postion, Gado made the kick so all was for not and they needed those extra 3, but I was afraid of the miss and giving them the ball at the 40, only down 3.

Deadskins wrote:Weren't we all thinking about how we trailed 13-0 in that Monday night game and came back and won. When we settled for 3, after having taken points off the board that would have iced it, was a set-up for disaster. Who didn't know that Romo would scramble around and then find someone. game over, we lose. But then, no! Victory! I guess that's why they play the games.

I was thinking that big time. BIG TIME. But we prevailed. Thank god.

Wow what a game, thanks Frank without you I would have missed it, thrilled to get the win, but there are some things to work on.
#1 Offense - 6 points no TD's and they had the ball on 1st and goal at the 5 that needs to be 7 and that drive almost handed the game to Dallas. Had we scored there, we wouldn't have had to worry about that last second Dallas drive.
#2 WR - We need to see more deep sideline passes caught in stride. Tonight they went for a few and were either overthrown or dropped. The WR's need to hold on to the ball. Moss had a great game, but there were a couple passes that hit him in the hands and he dropped them.
#3 CHRIS COOLEY IN THE RED ZONE - seems like ey is the work horse receiver getting down the field, but is always blocking near the endzone. He's got great hands throw him the ball.
#4 Larry Johnson - We got rid of Ladell Betts for that?
#5 Dropped INT's - Come on catch the ball! That last drive should have ended with and int, but no both times were dropped. Granted Landry wasn't expecting it, but Rogers seriously!
#6 Punting - When Bidwell put the one inside the 5, I was thinking it's about time we had a good punter, then he went and dropped one inside our own 40 and then botched a FG hold, and he's a veteran. Gano = Awsome game.

Players of the game Orakpo (Best draft pick in years), ey (awsome as always), and D Hall (forced the fumble and returned it for the winning score).
Positives - the Defense is great, we didn't score much, but McNabb looks miles better than Campbell, Portis had a few good runs, and the kicking game is way better, oh and the #1 Positive of all WE BEAT DALLAS!!

HAIL REDSKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was just thinking how devastating it would be to lose a game that way for a team that only won 4 games last year what it would do for the tone of the season.......I only have this team at 7, 8, or 9 wins, but you sneak out a couple wins like this, and this team will get better they could hit 10 or 11, and had they blown that tonight all of that probably is out the window......

But it was a great win!!!!!!!!!

I do believe this offense will get better, it's a new system for everyone including Mcnabb who ran Andy Reid's system for a decade.

To me the weakest part of the offense is going to be WR all year, really Moss is the only reliable option there, that makes ey that much more important, but I am sure Mcnabb is used to that with the brutal WR's he played with during most of his tenure with the Eagles....

Hopefully the defense can keep us in games until the o comes around, and isn't it nice to see an aggresive defense versus the conservative apporach they took under blache....

skipperk8888 wrote:I'm still not sure how a team with a shaky coach, a shaky qb, a shaky o-line, can be anyones pick to go to the Superbowl, but anytime we beat those pricks it is a good day.....

And I dreaded seeing that clown Wade Phillips make that stupid face and celebrate like a cheerleader and not a coach, had they holding call not happened....

I have been hard on Landry, he would drive me nuts, but I have to say he was by far the best player on the field tonight.......maybe that Haslett fellow as the ball coach called him, has actually gotten to this guy to eliminate the dumb mistakes. The talent has always been there....

Landy had a great game, but still whiffed on Romo big time at the wrong time.

True, but giving where he was he looks like he came a long way since last year....

I know it's only one game and he could easily revert back to the incosistent player he has been, but hopefully his game tonight is a sign of things to come.....sure he made a crucial error, but all in all he was a beast on the field tonight, and this team is a much better team if he turns into a top 10 safety.

Krisk86 wrote:Wow what a game, thanks Frank without you I would have missed it, thrilled to get the win, but there are some things to work on.
#1 Offense - 6 points no TD's and they had the ball on 1st and goal at the 5 that needs to be 7 and that drive almost handed the game to Dallas. Had we scored there, we wouldn't have had to worry about that last second Dallas drive.
#2 WR - We need to see more deep sideline passes caught in stride. Tonight they went for a few and were either overthrown or dropped. The WR's need to hold on to the ball. Moss had a great game, but there were a couple passes that hit him in the hands and he dropped them.
#3 CHRIS COOLEY IN THE RED ZONE - seems like ey is the work horse receiver getting down the field, but is always blocking near the endzone. He's got great hands throw him the ball.
#4 Larry Johnson - We got rid of Ladell Betts for that?
#5 Dropped INT's - Come on catch the ball! That last drive should have ended with and int, but no both times were dropped. Granted Landry wasn't expecting it, but Rogers seriously!
#6 Punting - When Bidwell put the one inside the 5, I was thinking it's about time we had a good punter, then he went and dropped one inside our own 40 and then botched a FG hold, and he's a veteran. Gano = Awsome game.

Players of the game Orakpo (Best draft pick in years), ey (awsome as always), and D Hall (forced the fumble and returned it for the winning score).
Positives - the Defense is great, we didn't score much, but McNabb looks miles better than Campbell, Portis had a few good runs, and the kicking game is way better, oh and the #1 Positive of all WE BEAT DALLAS!!

HAIL REDSKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Orakpo may end up a great player but he's getting too much praise now. He had one tackle tonight and one assist, no sacks, and got beat in space on a regular basis. All this playing against one of the worse tackles in the division.
I know he got a couple of hurries, but game ball to Orakpo. No. Landry had hurries and seventeen tackles to boot, and Gano had a great night. Even Moss and ey had better nights than Orakpo did.
I also can't help noticing the following:

The Dallas running game shredded us and its passing game almost beat us. Dallas didn't score more primarily because the pukes shot themselves in both feet all night. Twelve penalties, I think, and atrocious, even wierd play calling. Our Defense held on, barely, but did not play well.

Our offense was terrible and McNabb did pretty much zip except avoid sacks. His stats were terrible and so were many of his passes. Except for style points, he was not as good as Campbell. The offense got a lousy three points and blew two red zone, or was it three, appearances. Same old, same old.

We also failed to run the ball effectively until the last quarter. Still, no OL to speak of. Unlike some on this board, I don't think T. Williams proven anything tonight. Ware clearly outplayed him and made him look bad on several occasions.

Frankly, we were unbelievably lucky to win. I don't even recall a win by the Skins that was more flat out lucky than this one. We had better get better fast. Getting the kind of breaks that we got night is not going to happen very often in the NFL.

@crazyhorse

All good points, but the bottom line is that this team was 4-12 last year and of the years of misery here they have lost plenty of games like this where the opponent tried to hand them a game and they couldn't take advantage of it, so I am thrilled that they were able to win an emotional game against the"best team" in the division, which is funny cause the pokes have done nothing to get all the praise they get.

Yes Dallas should have run the ball more and they probably would have won the game, and yes they shot themselves in the foot time and time again, but that's Dallas they look great at times, but at the end of the day the results are always mediocre with that team.

This Skins team is a work in progress if they win 8 or 9 games it is an imporvement, people are insane if they think anymore about this team, sure they could do better that is the nature of the NFL, and in order for that to happen they will need more "luck" like they had tonight against a team that is better on paper.

Yes they have alot of things they have to improve in, but winning is a good first step no matter how fortunate the win might have been, this is the happiest I have been as a Redskins fan in a long time, I don't have high expectations for this seasons, but who knows maybe they will shock me.

lowtharofthehill wrote:Disappointed with
1. Josh Bidwell - poor holding, poor punting
2. Sellers - Dropped passes a few missed blocks
3. Doughty- can't be too harsh but he bite hard on the TD

Liked
1. Defense Aggressiveness - everyone was flying around
2. LT williams, tough first opponent but held his own
3. Gano make clutch kick at end
4. Orakpo should get game ball

I don't think this can be understated. TW played a Hell of a game for his first time against one of the best in the leauge. Good practice for Mario Williams next week.

NC43Hog wrote:One thing you will never hear is "Chris C. is the best announcer we have ever heard."

I've actually heard that dozens of times. I believe it too, I think he is the best announcer out there today.

A win is a win, no matter how ugly and hey, one game into the season and we're already a win better in the division than we were all last season!

There aren't many areas on the defense to find fault with, though it would be nice if our pass defenders could catch passes, especially when the ball hits them right in the hands.

The offense is still a train wreck, though McDrabb is clearly a step up from Campbell. There's absolutely no excuse for coming away with zero points after you have a 1st and goal on the opponent's 5. That's just ridiculous! As I've said all along, getting rid of Rock and Betts was a mistake. Portis is a good hole runner, but not good at all when he's gotta fight through hits, and our O-line isn't good enough to make the holes. Rock and Betts were tough runners to bring down, which is exactly what we need with this line. The passing game looks like it has the potential to be potent, but McDrabb needs to do a better job finding his receivers, and the receivers need to wash the butter off their hands so they can catch. There were way too many dropped passes last night!

Gona is definitely the man, but our punter leaves a lot to be desired. Special teams looked good other than our punter.

As we've all been saying for how many years now, if this team only had an offense they'd be dangerous......

Skinsfan55 wrote:

NC43Hog wrote:One thing you will never hear is "Chris C. is the best announcer we have ever heard."

I've actually heard that dozens of times. I believe it too, I think he is the best announcer out there today.

Man, without an emoticon, someone might mistake you for being serious.

What a great way to start for Mike, Jim and Kyle

I love a win over the pukes but winning a game like that is very special

some observations
- our new LT is going to help this line a lot BUT the O line is not going to help much if they cannot step it up a bit
we have got to get better run blocking although the pass protection was not too bad against a fairly good pass rush

- our new defense needs to be a lot better against the run - we were very lucky IMO that the pukes went away from the run

- our new defense is going to be a big help but Fat Al needs to just wake up - what a waste this guy is

- what a difference we can see already in the play and leadership from McNabb, he is clearly a MUCH better QB
I cannot believe I once thought that Campbell might be a good QB

- VERY encouraging seeing the players (EXCEPT for the fat slob) play with an attitude

- we got very, very lucky

If anyone else saw the Giants and Eagles play, we might have a good chance at taking those teams down too - from what I saw yesterday the pukes win the NFC East but the rest of the teams will be in a fight for the next spot
btw - from some of the posts here I must have been watching a different game - maybe the feed in New England was different

Skins need to get their run game going. They couldnt really set up the pass because there was no threat of a run going for more than 3 or 4 yards until the 4th quarter.

The defense is going to have their hands full with Foster next Sunday.

ESPN is all "If Brian Orakpo isn't held on that play, the Cowboys score blah blah blah." I say, "If Brian Orakpo isn't held on that play, he would've buried Romo's back into the turf." He had a great rush at him, possible one of the best of the game.

Folks: The Redskins beat the Cowboys. Who really cares how? Some items to consider: 1) the end of the first half play has not gone the Redskins way in 20 years; 2) the defense played harder and faster than they have in years - they need work on the run d; 3) Carlos Rogers still cannot hold onto an interception but at least made some nice tackles; 4) the play at the end of the game has not gone the Redskins way in 20 years. 5) even if they lose to the Texans who among us would not have been satisfied splitting the first two games of the season with the awful state of Texas? 6) How can anyone say T. Williams did not play well, or the o line did not protect McNabb?

The feel of this win is what I am excited about. Is the luck beginning to change for this once proud franchise?

The team picked by the "experterts" to play the superbowl at home, got beaten by the Skins last nigth. It wasn't pretty, but I'll take a W against the cowboys anyway we can get it.

HaiL,

cleg wrote:

lowtharofthehill wrote:Disappointed with
1. Josh Bidwell - poor holding, poor punting
2. Sellers - Dropped passes a few missed blocks
3. Doughty- can't be too harsh but he bite hard on the TD

Liked
1. Defense Aggressiveness - everyone was flying around
2. LT williams, tough first opponent but held his own
3. Gano make clutch kick at end
4. Orakpo should get game ball

I don't think this can be understated. TW played a Hell of a game for his first time against one of the best in the leauge. Good practice for Mario Williams next week.

I'm pretty sure Williams plays vs. the RT. I know he did it last year, at NC State and what little bit I saw yesterday, he played on his left side as well.

Deadskins wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:

NC43Hog wrote:One thing you will never hear is "Chris C. is the best announcer we have ever heard."

I've actually heard that dozens of times. I believe it too, I think he is the best announcer out there today.

Man, without an emoticon, someone might mistake you for being serious.

He seemed quite obsessed with Miles Austin's legs. I was waiting for him to ask them out on a date.

Did anyone else notice how on Dallas' last drive the weird fog rolled in? Kind of eerie.

Awesome game. That's exactly the kind of game that would go the other way over the past few seasons. Completely agree with cleg that the end of the first half play always seemed to go against us, as far back as I can remember. How great to get a bounce in our direction.

Also, when was the last time that Dallas completely self-destructed in a game against us like that? I think the last I can recall was a fluke blocked-FG picked up by a young man named Sean Taylor, leading to a game-winning FG at home. And before that, of course, the bombs to Moss (and let's not forget Taylor's iconic hit at the end to seal the deal).

I agree with a lot of the observations and comments previously in the thread, like about our D and also the impressive performance by our new left tackle, Williams. So I won't pile on those particular themes.

But I did want to point out that I thought McNabb had a good game. Yes, he didn't turn in a ProBowl performance, but consider: (1) The number of long drives he led, (2) the way he handled the pressure, bought time, and made plays, (3) his ability to put a points-scoring drive together when it mattered the most.

Those are three pieces of the puzzle that we didn't have with a certain other quarterback under center. Frankly I think that this was a below-average game for McNabb, and that we are going to see better things from him in the future. But the point is that even when he's not playing his best, he gives us a chance to win in a way that we haven't seen from a Redskins QB since . . . well . . .

Extremely happy to beat the Cowgirls. Some things I noticed from the game:

1) O-line looked good on pass protection. The rookie played well, only giving up 1 sack to one of the premier pass rushers in the NFL. He would get an A, if not for the bone-headed false start on a crucial 3rd & 2 late. We get a 1st down there game's over. For that he gets knocked down to a B+.
2) It would be nice if we established the run a little earlier in the game. Also, how come not 1 running play on 1st & goal from the 5??? Did not like the play calling there. Back to back fades to AA?
3) LL did played good, but can he please stop flexing after every tackle he makes 10 yards down the field.
4) I know most of you think the defense played well, I do not. The results were good, but we were getting gashed up the middle often on the run. Thank the fact that Garrett might be one of the worst co-ordinators in the league that we held them to 7.
5) my main problem with the D is that 90% of the players we have are use to, and fit better in a 4-3, yet we play the 3-4. Also, can we please get some guys with their hands in the dirt pre-snap on passing downs. Too many guys rushing from a 2 point stance (lineman included) lead to little pressure up the gut.
6) What the he!! happened on that 4th & 10?? How are we not covering their best target???
7) Interesting to see no Albert out there when the game was on the line in the 4th quarter and we need a pass rush.
Donovan looked like typical Donovan. He makes enough plays to help you win, but isn't very accurate. He throws too many passes low. It keeps his INTs down, but prevents some big plays at times. Overall he played well, but there were a few plays where if he just threw it in the guys chest, we probably score. The ey 3rd down conversion in the 4th quarter where he had to dive. He hits him in stride and I think he goes to the house as there was no safety to be found. Also Moss' deep out to the left sideline on the bothced FG drive. If Santana doesn't have to go to the ground there he turns it up the sideline and probably walks in. I know I'm nitpicking here, as we won the game, but we'll need more from this offense on a weekly basis.
9) Is there a better pass blocking RB than CP ??
10) !! 1-0 & atop the division.

Irn-Bru wrote:But I did want to point out that I thought McNabb had a good game. Yes, he didn't turn in a ProBowl performance, but consider: (1) The number of long drives he led, (2) the way he handled the pressure, bought time, and made plays, (3) his ability to put a points-scoring drive together when it mattered the most.

Those are three pieces of the puzzle that we didn't have with a certain other quarterback under center. Frankly I think that this was a below-average game for McNabb, and that we are going to see better things from him in the future. But the point is that even when he's not playing his best, he gives us a chance to win in a way that we haven't seen from a Redskins QB since . . . well . . .

Tony Banks?

Irn-Bru wrote:Awesome game. That's exactly the kind of game that would go the other way over the past few seasons. Completely agree with cleg that the end of the first half play always seemed to go against us, as far back as I can remember. How great to get a bounce in our direction.

Also, when was the last time that Dallas completely self-destructed in a game against us like that? I think the last I can recall was a fluke blocked-FG picked up by a young man named Sean Taylor, leading to a game-winning FG at home. And before that, of course, the bombs to Moss (and let's not forget Taylor's iconic hit at the end to seal the deal).

I agree with a lot of the observations and comments previously in the thread, like about our D and also the impressive performance by our new left tackle, Williams. So I won't pile on those particular themes.

But I did want to point out that I thought McNabb had a good game. Yes, he didn't turn in a ProBowl performance, but consider: (1) The number of long drives he led, (2) the way he handled the pressure, bought time, and made plays, (3) his ability to put a points-scoring drive together when it mattered the most.

Those are three pieces of the puzzle that we didn't have with a certain other quarterback under center. Frankly I think that this was a below-average game for McNabb, and that we are going to see better things from him in the future. But the point is that even when he's not playing his best, he gives us a chance to win in a way that we haven't seen from a Redskins QB since . . . well . . .

very good points FFA - I totally agree with the assessment about McNabb - I would add that his timing will get better IMO and the WRs have to have better games also - how big is it going to be though to have a QB that will give you a chance late in the game = PRICELESS

we have some issues with the O line but I don't think the WR position is all that bad - we are a huge upgrade offensively from last year though

I guess nobody filled Kyle in about Sellers