Maximoral wrote:Out of curiousity, does Kelly earn any money from the skins when he's on the IR?
I'm glad we did this rather than cutting him. Clearly he couldn't be on the 53 man roster, so given the option of cut him or IR him, I'll take the IR. This kid could still turn out to be something for us.
He'll get the 450K that he was due this year... it was guaranteed so it's a moot point (would have been paid if he were here or not) but now he has time to rehab and learn the system... There is no reason to push it, they didn't draft him so they dont need to rush it... they now have the whole season and the 2011 off-season to get him ready for next year.
This really is the best possible outcome in this situation for us both. He has a year to get healthy, learn and train and get a real (albeit certainly his last) shot next year
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God, I'm glad to see Vinnie go for moves such as the Malcolm Kelly pick. Half the team in the NFL had him on the "Don't Draft" board and we waste a 2nd Rounder on him. There was a great story that came out after he was drafted that basically stated that Kelly came out early because he knew if he stayed in school knowledge of his injuries would come out and he may not get drafted at all.
How long can this guy continue to milk his so called "potential". Cut your losses (and I do mean) losses. It's time to move on.
And what work ethic? He's been standing on the sidelines catching balls from Juggs Machines for the past 2 months.
USAFSkinFan wrote:I still say we'd have been better off keeping Marko Mitchel instead of Kelley... especially since he's averaging 71 yards a catch in preseason...
I think you mean Kelly - but whatever, NOBODY really cares
Marko was not going to be a part of anything here so thinking that we might have been better of is just not making ANY sense - MAYBE Jason Campbell might have made sense too even though NOTHING about Campbell made any sense EVER
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Deadskins wrote:Another year of waiting for Kelly to play.
apparently 'somebody' thinks this is a good idea - sounds good to me
I just love this time of year when so many fans and posters here think they know more than the coaches and players about who could possibly be more helpful to the product on the field both for the now and the future
just gotta love it
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
USAFSkinFan wrote:I still say we'd have been better off keeping Marko Mitchel instead of Kelley... especially since he's averaging 71 yards a catch in preseason...
I think you mean Kelly - but whatever, NOBODY really cares
Marko was not going to be a part of anything here so thinking that we might have been better of is just not making ANY sense - MAYBE Jason Campbell might have made sense too even though NOTHING about Campbell made any sense EVER
MM averaged 71 yards a catch because he only HAD 1 catch this pre-season...
I said had because he got cut today and his pre-season is pretty much over
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USAFSkinFan wrote:I still say we'd have been better off keeping Marko Mitchel instead of Kelley... especially since he's averaging 71 yards a catch in preseason...
I think you mean Kelly - but whatever, NOBODY really cares
Marko was not going to be a part of anything here so thinking that we might have been better of is just not making ANY sense - MAYBE Jason Campbell might have made sense too even though NOTHING about Campbell made any sense EVER
MM averaged 71 yards a catch because he only HAD 1 catch this pre-season...
I said had because he got cut today and his pre-season is pretty much over
Wahoo McDaniels wrote:There was a great story that came out after he was drafted that basically stated that Kelly came out early because he knew if he stayed in school knowledge of his injuries would come out and he may not get drafted at all
It would have been a greater story if everyone didn't already know the reason he fell as far as he did was because of injuries. There are always trade offs between injuries/talent and character/talent. These tradeoffs are risk. He could have worked through the injuries and we could have gotten a #1 quality pick in the second round. Didn't happen.
But now, he's been injured for two years with us. The way this was going if he made the team we'd just keep rushing him back and he'd hurt himself again. Now he has a year to work on healing and conditioning. It seems like a decent shot for him and us to take one more time to see if a year off can get him healthy. Maybe not. Maybe even likely not. But this seems like the one shot that's left and it's certainly worth taking.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
KazooSkinsFan wrote: ... he's been injured for two years with us. The way this was going, if he made the team we'd just keep rushing him back and he'd hurt himself again. Now, he has a year to work on healing and conditioning. It seems like a decent shot for him and us to take one more time to see if a year off can get him healthy. Maybe not. Maybe even likely not. But this seems like the one shot that's left and it's certainly worth taking.
I'd agree with this Kaz - seems like the FO (& maybe Kyle) has maybe seen enough upside with this guy that they're willling to give him a year off and see if he can both condition and strengthen himself into being able to make a contribution here - HOPEFULLY
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Deadskins wrote:Another year of waiting for Kelly to play.
apparently 'somebody' thinks this is a good idea - sounds good to me
I just love this time of year when so many fans and posters here think they know more than the coaches and players about who could possibly be more helpful to the product on the field both for the now and the future
just gotta love it
I don't understand your response to my post. What do you think I was saying?
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
I just think that the FO thinks it's worth keeping this player even though most of us think it's fairly obvious that he's just not making it - we are only able to see part of the picture and while it seems obvious to us, the coaches do have the best perspective and so far these guys IMO have shown that they are very good at what they do
it always seems to happen around this time of the season, that we criticize without having all the details - Kelly seems to me anyway to have had all the chances he needed and yet he's being put on IR, so I have to think these guys think that is the best move, is all
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:I'd agree with this Kaz - seems like the FO (& maybe Kyle) has maybe seen enough upside with this guy that they're willling to give him a year off and see if he can both condition and strengthen himself into being able to make a contribution here - HOPEFULLY
At this point it's a half a mil, a lot less investment then they have made in him so far. It's so different then IRing Colt last year. Colt was a young QB, IRing him was essentially cutting him since he couldn't practice with the team. They should have cut him. This is Malcolm's chance to spend a year getting healthy and conditioned to give it one last chance. And unlike Colt he clearly has the talent to play in the NFL. But this is I'm sure it, if he can't get healthy with a year to focus on nothing else then bye bye...
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
KazooSkinsFan wrote:And unlike Colt he clearly has the talent to play in the NFL.
I haven't seen it Kazo.. even in college I wouldn't say he clearly has the talent. Obviously his injury is holding him down but I felt we shoulda never drafted him anyways.
you could be right LPJ but with the guys in charge here the past 10 years, we made an awful lot of unwise decisions
I guess we're V lucky that these guys think that Kelly might have what it takes and as Kaz points out for only a relatively minor investment we can give him 1 more look
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:you could be right LPJ but with the guys in charge here the past 10 years, we made an awful lot of unwise decisions
I guess we're V lucky that these guys think that Kelly might have what it takes and as Kaz points out for only a relatively minor investment we can give him 1 more look
SkinsJock wrote:you could be right LPJ but with the guys in charge here the past 10 years, we made an awful lot of unwise decisions
I guess we're V lucky that these guys think that Kelly might have what it takes and as Kaz points out for only a relatively minor investment we can give him 1 more look
Yup, thats true indeed
I'm sure we'd all like to have the draft pick back, but we agree this is the best option from where we are
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
SkinsJock wrote:I just think that the FO thinks it's worth keeping this player even though most of us think it's fairly obvious that he's just not making it - we are only able to see part of the picture and while it seems obvious to us, the coaches do have the best perspective and so far these guys IMO have shown that they are very good at what they do
it always seems to happen around this time of the season, that we criticize without having all the details - Kelly seems to me anyway to have had all the chances he needed and yet he's being put on IR, so I have to think these guys think that is the best move, is all
I wasn't criticizing the FO at all, or insinuating that I know more than anyone else (I'll leave that to you ). I was just stating my personal frustration at having to wait another year to see if this player can actually do anything to help my beloved Skins.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Deadskins wrote: I was just stating my personal frustration at having to wait another year to see if this player can actually do anything to help my beloved Skins.
I don't blame you a bit
this just shows me how desparate the situation is at WR and what lengths we'll go to see if this guy will make it
Speaking of looking for new players - we have made a lot of progress here since this FO came in but we still have a lot of players that are not going to be here in September of 2011 - the offensive and defensive lines needs to be better and have decent depth
IF we even have football in 2011
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SKINFAN wrote:Someone posted it, we were going to pay him anyway, so why not put him on the shelf. =)
I totally agree though, enough waiting on this guy, I wanna see if he can help us out.
By the end of this year, Kelly will have made $3.2M.
BTW, a 2nd round pick is a little early to start reaching on a guy who many teams had completely taken off their draft board due to injuries. The results are the results, and it proves that Vinnie and all of the scouts had absolutely no idea what they were doing.
BTW, a 2nd round pick is a little early to start reaching on a guy who many teams had completely taken off their draft board due to injuries. The results are the results, and it proves that Vinnie and all of the scouts had absolutely no idea what they were doing.
One second round pick proves that? By your standard there isn't an experienced GM in the league of more then a coupla drafts who has absolutely any idea what they are doing. So we may as well have kept Vinnie since no one else does either. I'm more for percents then that results of one pick prove anything. Vinnie fails my standard too, but unlike your standard every other GM in the league doesn't.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
SKINFAN wrote:Someone posted it, we were going to pay him anyway, so why not put him on the shelf. =)
I totally agree though, enough waiting on this guy, I wanna see if he can help us out.
By the end of this year, Kelly will have made $3.2M.
BTW, a 2nd round pick is a little early to start reaching on a guy who many teams had completely taken off their draft board due to injuries. The results are the results, and it proves that Vinnie and all of the scouts had absolutely no idea what they were doing.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
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What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
). I was just stating my personal frustration at having to wait another year to see if this player can actually do anything to help my beloved Skins.
