SnyderSucks wrote:They made an exclusive deal so that Directv could charge a premium price to the invidual and keep the size of the market restrained. They chose directv because not all customers can get directv, thus further restraining the market. There were articles at the time where they stated specifically that they did not want Sunday ticket competing with ticket sales in local markets. In Canada, you can get Sunday ticket for $160, roughly half the price as in the U.S. At that price, you can get the entire season for the price of two people going to one game. If it was available on all systems for that price, the total dollars going to the league from Sunday ticket would go through the roof, but they risk losing ticket sales.
Why would they want to keep the market restrained? That makes absolutely no sense. The NFL wants to market it's product to the most people possible. They get about 3.5 billion from their network TV contracts, and 1 billion from DirectTV for Sunday Ticket. DirectTV paid a premium for exclusivity, because it sells their dishes, period. They actually take a loss on the Ticket, just so they get a leg up on the competition for the rest of their product offerings.
Also, why would you think that out of market viewers would somehow affect local ticket sales? That also makes no sense. People local to their team can just watch broadcast TV for free. The blackout rule forces them to buy tickets, if their team can't sell out home games. People stop buying tickets because their team sucks, not because they can buy Sunday Ticket and watch at home.
DirecTV has 18.5 million subscribers. That's roughly 6% of households in the U.S. Ask yourself, can they make more money by selling the ticket for $320 to 6% of the available customers or for $150 to 100% of the availbable customers. They can make a lot more money if they make it non-exclusive. The only conclusion is that they are purposefully restricting it's availabilty.
The only reason to keep exclusivity on directv is to limit the market. They were worried about non-out of market people buying the ticket and staying home for empty stadiums. I know a lot of people who buy the ticket despite living in the city with their favorite team. Drop the price to $150, and a ton of people would sign up. There are already a lot who want it at the current price and can't get it because Directv doesn't work where they live.
With the Cardinals reaching the Super Bowl, is Dan Snyder officially the worst owner in the league?
SnyderSucks wrote:They made an exclusive deal so that Directv could charge a premium price to the invidual and keep the size of the market restrained. They chose directv because not all customers can get directv, thus further restraining the market. There were articles at the time where they stated specifically that they did not want Sunday ticket competing with ticket sales in local markets. In Canada, you can get Sunday ticket for $160, roughly half the price as in the U.S. At that price, you can get the entire season for the price of two people going to one game. If it was available on all systems for that price, the total dollars going to the league from Sunday ticket would go through the roof, but they risk losing ticket sales.
Why would they want to keep the market restrained? That makes absolutely no sense. The NFL wants to market it's product to the most people possible. They get about 3.5 billion from their network TV contracts, and 1 billion from DirectTV for Sunday Ticket. DirectTV paid a premium for exclusivity, because it sells their dishes, period. They actually take a loss on the Ticket, just so they get a leg up on the competition for the rest of their product offerings.
Also, why would you think that out of market viewers would somehow affect local ticket sales? That also makes no sense. People local to their team can just watch broadcast TV for free. The blackout rule forces them to buy tickets, if their team can't sell out home games. People stop buying tickets because their team sucks, not because they can buy Sunday Ticket and watch at home.
DirecTV has 18.5 million subscribers. That's roughly 6% of households in the U.S. Ask yourself, can they make more money by selling the ticket for $320 to 6% of the available customers or for $150 to 100% of the availbable customers. They can make a lot more money if they make it non-exclusive. The only conclusion is that they are purposefully restricting it's availabilty.
The only reason to keep exclusivity on directv is to limit the market. They were worried about non-out of market people buying the ticket and staying home for empty stadiums. I know a lot of people who buy the ticket despite living in the city with their favorite team. Drop the price to $150, and a ton of people would sign up. There are already a lot who want it at the current price and can't get it because Directv doesn't work where they live.
First, you do realize that the NFL gets no money from DirectTV per subscriber, don't you? DirectTV charges whatever they think they can get for Sunday Ticket to a point where they won't be hurting their subscription sales; in other words market-based rates. After paying the NFL $1 billion for the exclusive rights, DirectTV is on it's own. They recoup the cost of the licensing fee by selling subscriptions to ST. Broadcast network providers recoup their licensing fee by selling ad time during games. They also don't pay the NFL by the number of viewers.
Second, locals that buy ST do it because they want the guarantee of no blackout, and to have access to all the other games as well.
Lastly, the only people who DirectTV doesn't work for are those that can't position the dish in a place where it has an unobstructed straight line to the DirectTV satellite.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Deadskins wrote: the only people who DirectTV doesn't work for are those that can't position the dish in a place where it has an unobstructed straight line to the DirectTV satellite.
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SnyderSucks wrote:They made an exclusive deal so that Directv could charge a premium price to the invidual and keep the size of the market restrained. They chose directv because not all customers can get directv, thus further restraining the market. There were articles at the time where they stated specifically that they did not want Sunday ticket competing with ticket sales in local markets. In Canada, you can get Sunday ticket for $160, roughly half the price as in the U.S. At that price, you can get the entire season for the price of two people going to one game. If it was available on all systems for that price, the total dollars going to the league from Sunday ticket would go through the roof, but they risk losing ticket sales.
Why would they want to keep the market restrained? That makes absolutely no sense. The NFL wants to market it's product to the most people possible. They get about 3.5 billion from their network TV contracts, and 1 billion from DirectTV for Sunday Ticket. DirectTV paid a premium for exclusivity, because it sells their dishes, period. They actually take a loss on the Ticket, just so they get a leg up on the competition for the rest of their product offerings.
Also, why would you think that out of market viewers would somehow affect local ticket sales? That also makes no sense. People local to their team can just watch broadcast TV for free. The blackout rule forces them to buy tickets, if their team can't sell out home games. People stop buying tickets because their team sucks, not because they can buy Sunday Ticket and watch at home.
DirecTV has 18.5 million subscribers. That's roughly 6% of households in the U.S. Ask yourself, can they make more money by selling the ticket for $320 to 6% of the available customers or for $150 to 100% of the availbable customers. They can make a lot more money if they make it non-exclusive. The only conclusion is that they are purposefully restricting it's availabilty.
The only reason to keep exclusivity on directv is to limit the market. They were worried about non-out of market people buying the ticket and staying home for empty stadiums. I know a lot of people who buy the ticket despite living in the city with their favorite team. Drop the price to $150, and a ton of people would sign up. There are already a lot who want it at the current price and can't get it because Directv doesn't work where they live.
First, you do realize that the NFL gets no money from DirectTV per subscriber, don't you? DirectTV charges whatever they think they can get for Sunday Ticket to a point where they won't be hurting their subscription sales; in other words market-based rates. After paying the NFL $1 billion for the exclusive rights, DirectTV is on it's own. They recoup the cost of the licensing fee by selling subscriptions to ST. Broadcast network providers recoup their licensing fee by selling ad time during games. They also don't pay the NFL by the number of viewers.
Second, locals that buy ST do it because they want the guarantee of no blackout, and to have access to all the other games as well.
Lastly, the only people who DirectTV doesn't work for are those that can't position the dish in a place where it has an unobstructed straight line to the DirectTV satellite.
Right, the NFL doesn't get a per user fee. But the total dollars that can be paid are based upon the number of people buying the package. If 5 million people are buying the package, Directv can afford to pay $1 billion a year. if 20 million people buy it across multiple platforms, they could get a lot more money. There is a large segment of the population that cannot receive the directv signals. Almost all of NYC can't get it. The inablity to receive the signal is one of their biggest problems.
With the Cardinals reaching the Super Bowl, is Dan Snyder officially the worst owner in the league?
SnyderSucks wrote:DirecTV has 18.5 million subscribers. That's roughly 6% of households in the U.S. Ask yourself, can they make more money by selling the ticket for $320 to 6% of the available customers or for $150 to 100% of the availbable customers. They can make a lot more money if they make it non-exclusive. The only conclusion is that they are purposefully restricting it's availabilty.
There is another conclusion. Maybe you don't actually know more then the NFL marketing department. The NFL is the most successful league in all of sports, they dominate. They play 16 games a year and yet make billions. Yet no sport would ever go against them. Other networks play reruns during the Super Bowl. And yet it's beyond question to you that rather then maybe your premise is incorrect and you should figure out what you don't know that they do, but rather that they should be figuring out what you know. They are leaving money on the table and you could easily explain to them why. Just a thought.
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SnyderSucks wrote:DirecTV has 18.5 million subscribers. That's roughly 6% of households in the U.S. Ask yourself, can they make more money by selling the ticket for $320 to 6% of the available customers or for $150 to 100% of the availbable customers. They can make a lot more money if they make it non-exclusive. The only conclusion is that they are purposefully restricting it's availabilty.
There is another conclusion. Maybe you don't actually know more then the NFL marketing department. The NFL is the most successful league in all of sports, they dominate. They play 16 games a year and yet make billions. Yet no sport would ever go against them. Other networks play reruns during the Super Bowl. And yet it's beyond question to you that rather then maybe your premise is incorrect and you should figure out what you don't know that they do, but rather that they should be figuring out what you know. They are leaving money on the table and you could easily explain to them why. Just a thought.
They made public announcements that they specifically wanted to restrict the market for fear of losing ticket sales. I've said that several times. Not claiming that I'm smarter than them, just trying to explain to the guys that are claiming they are making the most money this way that that is not true.
With the Cardinals reaching the Super Bowl, is Dan Snyder officially the worst owner in the league?
SnyderSucks wrote:They made public announcements that they specifically wanted to restrict the market for fear of losing ticket sales. I've said that several times. Not claiming that I'm smarter than them, just trying to explain to the guys that are claiming they are making the most money this way that that is not true.
Sure, you've "said" that. However, you haven't provided any quotes so we can see the context because your statement they don't want people to watch out of town games because of ticket sales defies logic and that they're not trying to make the most money is preposterous
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
SnyderSucks wrote:They made public announcements that they specifically wanted to restrict the market for fear of losing ticket sales. I've said that several times. Not claiming that I'm smarter than them, just trying to explain to the guys that are claiming they are making the most money this way that that is not true.
Sure, you've "said" that. However, you haven't provided any quotes so we can see the context because your statement they don't want people to watch out of town games because of ticket sales defies logic and that they're not trying to make the most money is preposterous
C'mon Kaz, how can you challenge the validity of his argument? Just because it flies in the face of all logic and reason, he's said it several times. That should be proof enough for anybody on the internets. Just look at how he rebutted my last post:
SnyderSucks wrote:
Deadskins wrote:First, you do realize that the NFL gets no money from DirectTV per subscriber, don't you? DirectTV charges whatever they think they can get for Sunday Ticket to a point where they won't be hurting their subscription sales; in other words market-based rates. After paying the NFL $1 billion for the exclusive rights, DirectTV is on it's own. They recoup the cost of the licensing fee by selling subscriptions to ST. Broadcast network providers recoup their licensing fee by selling ad time during games. They also don't pay the NFL by the number of viewers.
Second, locals that buy ST do it because they want the guarantee of no blackout, and to have access to all the other games as well.
Lastly, the only people who DirectTV doesn't work for are those that can't position the dish in a place where it has an unobstructed straight line to the DirectTV satellite.
Right, the NFL doesn't get a per user fee. But the total dollars that can be paid are based upon the number of people buying the package. If 5 million people are buying the package, Directv can afford to pay $1 billion a year. if 20 million people buy it across multiple platforms, they could get a lot more money. There is a large segment of the population that cannot receive the directv signals. Almost all of NYC can't get it. The inablity to receive the signal is one of their biggest problems.
I mean, really Kazoo, can't you see that multiple platforms for Sunday ticket will only drive up the cost providers are willing to pay, since they will have much more competition for sales? Increased supply equals increased demand, after all. It's economics 101.
Also, the tall buildings in NYC obstructing the direct line of sight the dish needs to pick up the signal from the satellite, just shows that a "large" segment of the population can't get Sunday Ticket. Never mind that many buildings in NYC have communal rooftop dishes that supply the signal to individual tenant's receivers, or that a simple Google search on "DirectTV New York City" returns several hits for local dealers all over Manhattan. If he says it's not so, you can't question that.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
frankcal20 wrote:You should call directv and threaten to cancel. They gave me a $150 credit to stay as a customer. I've done this for 3 years now and get the same credit every year. It's free money!!!!
I just called DirecTv - they said my deal was 6 payments of $49.99 - I told them my wife was giving me a hard time about the cost - they gave me a deal of 6 payments of $29.99 - when I said I did not think this was going to change her mind they said it was the best they could do
this 'deal' still includes HD service and the "super fan" stuff - so I guess it is the best I'm going to get ... AND I'm not losing my NFL games
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Hi, I'm new here, and a lifelong Skins fan. I have been on an assignment for the last 2 years in the Middle East and there are a lot of us Skins fans out here who have not had a source to be able to watch the team play on Sundays online. We have access to the audio broadcast of Sonny, Sam and Larry via the Redskins Radio network link on Redskins.com but it's just not the same as watching them (although, last year, that was a good thing).
I'd like to thank FrankCal for giving those of us on foreign work assignments, military duty, and DC residents who can't be at home for the season the chance to see Mr. Shanahan turn the team around.
Is Frankcal's link-to-be the only way to watch the Skins play on Sundays or do you guys know some other sites. We can't pay for software, etc as things can't be downloaded where we are.
Welcome, and thanks for your sacrifice. There are plenty of streaming sites on the Internets, but none are as reliable as Franks for watching Skins' games. Come to THN before the game, and he will post a link.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Thank you Deadskins - love the logo...did you see the rest of the Dead at the SF Giants game last month? The pics looked like that was lots of fun, although I doubt they played Drums/Space during the 7th inning stretch.
rzskinsfan wrote:Hi, I'm new here, and a lifelong Skins fan. I have been on an assignment for the last 2 years in the Middle East and there are a lot of us Skins fans out here who have not had a source to be able to watch the team play on Sundays online. We have access to the audio broadcast of Sonny, Sam and Larry via the Redskins Radio network link on Redskins.com but it's just not the same as watching them (although, last year, that was a good thing).
I'd like to thank FrankCal for giving those of us on foreign work assignments, military duty, and DC residents who can't be at home for the season the chance to see Mr. Shanahan turn the team around.
Is Frankcal's link-to-be the only way to watch the Skins play on Sundays or do you guys know some other sites. We can't pay for software, etc as things can't be downloaded where we are.
Thanks, and HAIL!!
Hey man. I appreciate the kind words. It's a small sacrafice I can make. Some of the other views are very kind to make donations that help me pay for the programing. Being a Real Estate agent in this current economy makes it pretty tough to justify purchasing this to the wife.
I grew up right outside Camp Lejeune MCB. I've had many a beer with guys who say it just sucks but thankfully they've been able to watch their sports thanks to streamers. I decided to go out and purchase the software, hardware, and the programming. It's my little way to give back and I'm not going to lie, it makes me feel good that I can help Skins fan all over the place.
So just keep your eyes open on gameday for the links and we'll be good to go come gametime.
Love NC and miss it a lot. Been tough b/c I didn't make it out there this past year. Next Summer I'm sure I'll be at the beach though. Normally rent a beach house on Topsail Isl. every summer. Good people there too. If we were to move back to NC, we'd probably move to either Wilm. or Beaufort b/c my Wife loves it so much.
