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everydayAskinsday wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:with 12 players (maybe more at one time) at the WR position we have many options - I just think that if 5 of those are going to be able to contribute - AND, we decide to keep 6, then the 6th player is not just being kept because of what he offers at WR but also because of what intangibles he has to offer - speed is a good thing, no matter how 'big' he is

That is a good point and if you think about it that way it could make a lot of sense to keep a kid like Banks on the roster .. my only concern would then be if a guy in front of him went down would he be ready to step up and be a factor..

In that scenario I could see him being cut and replaced with a veteran wide out but lets hope im wrong and Banks makes me eat my own words because I do like the kid dont get me wrong

.. and don't forget folks, Mcnugget is known for making unknown WRs really good

brad7686 wrote:T.O.!!!

me too Brad, me too buddy

langleyparkjoe wrote:

everydayAskinsday wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:with 12 players (maybe more at one time) at the WR position we have many options - I just think that if 5 of those are going to be able to contribute - AND, we decide to keep 6, then the 6th player is not just being kept because of what he offers at WR but also because of what intangibles he has to offer - speed is a good thing, no matter how 'big' he is

That is a good point and if you think about it that way it could make a lot of sense to keep a kid like Banks on the roster .. my only concern would then be if a guy in front of him went down would he be ready to step up and be a factor..

In that scenario I could see him being cut and replaced with a veteran wide out but lets hope im wrong and Banks makes me eat my own words because I do like the kid dont get me wrong

.. and don't forget folks, Mcnugget is known for making unknown WRs really good

This is true and its looking like Armstrong could be another one to add to the list

everydayAskinsday wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

everydayAskinsday wrote:someone please explain to me what they see in Banks as a receiver? He is 5'7 MAYBE and all of about 160 pounds... if we could put him on this roster without taking up a WR slot I would be all for it but other than that I dont see him as a receiver for us....

Show me one positive report on him as a wide out .. I loved the punt return as much as the next guy and I know he's got plenty of speed but one punt return wont put him on this team as a receiver...

I'll try

I think they'll keep him because of his speed NOT because he's a 'better' WR

With how thin we look at receiver I dont think keeping a player because he is fast is in our best interest.. they have to be the complete package to make a difference.. Thomas has great speed and athleticism but he is having trouble finding the field because he isnt excelling in all aspects that make a good receiver...

Banks will struggle with press coverage due to his size and while his speed is a factor he isnt the only reciever we have with speed. I give the nod to Austin over him based on the fact that he is IMO a better receiver at this point in their careers and he too is someone that can be an asset in the return game

dont get me wrong I am a fan of Banks and think hes an electrifying player but just not at WR...

Here are some clips of Banks at Kansas St playing wide receiver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKd2rQCGM_E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28XIssDhuTk

Banks caught 56 passes as a senior in 2009 at Kansas St.

In the one pass attempt to him against the Ravens (over the middle) he caught for a 25 yard gain.

Let's not forget he had two good returns that were called back because of penalties.


When you think about return men, think game changer. Look at what Devin Hestor did for the Bears. Give Banks receiver packages to exploit his speed.
Hestor proved that a roster spot for a game changer is worth it. Note* Hestor was drafted as a CB. Moved to WR and stopped returning kicks. Look at the Bears now - lost their game changer. A game changer is worth a roster spot and Banks is worth a receiver slot because he has proved that he can catch the ball and run routes especially over the middle.

Your point is well taken that you have not heard positives about him at the receiver slot in Training Camp, but I do remember that he was impressive in OTA's. I suspect he wasn't getting the reps in TC because he is a return man and if he makes the roster, he will only run certain packages and be expected to play receiver extensively. Note* Returners who are WR's rarely start i.e. B-Mitch. Execptions - Randle El: Do I need to say much here. Moves to starting line up, return production drops. Hestor fits here too.

Personally, I have been very impressed by Armstrong. He has been a playing very well. In terms of Kelly, I hate pulling the string on him, but if he were even a 3rd rounder, he would have already been released.

Injuries are one thing, but consistently having them is another. After two years, I don't see it getting any better for him. He is very lucky that we are thin at WR, but even with that, I don't see him making the team.

Isn't Banks like 150 lbs? Come on, man.

I'm still in favor of keeping Kelly for one more year. Let him get over the hamstring and see what he can do with Shanahan. We have so few draft picks every year, I don't see how we can afford to give up on a 2d rounder after only 2 years.

riggofan wrote:Isn't Banks like 150 lbs? Come on, man.

I'm still in favor of keeping Kelly for one more year. Let him get over the hamstring and see what he can do with Shanahan. We have so few draft picks every year, I don't see how we can afford to give up on a 2d rounder after only 2 years.

Only thing with that my friend is when he was healthy, he didn't do jack spit

Moss
Galloway
Armstrong
D. Thomas
Kelly
Austin or Banks (whoever wins KR/PR battle)

fleetus wrote:Moss
Galloway
Armstrong
D. Thomas
Kelly
Austin (KR)

Why Galloway Fleetus?

crazyhorse1 wrote:

encinoman wrote:Moss...constant pro, great routes quick out of the breaks.
Armstrong... over galloway, Knows how to adjust to the ball, hands catcher as opposed to body catcher
Thomas... over Wade, Good run after the catch guy
Kelly...I wanna give this guy one last chance...im a big fan, its just a hamstring
Williams...This guy has been solid with the hands and routes, lets go Roy
Banks...over Austin, Banks is electric, speed kills, gimme some wr screens, let this man do his thing

Armstrong...should start with Moss
Moss...big year with McNabb, seems rejuvinated
Thomas...third receiver

Backups

Banks...very excited about this guy
Austin...good routes, good hands, great speed
Williiams...solid pro, great moves

Cuts
Galloway...has done nothing so far, too old
Kelly...don't see an end to his injuries
Wade...don't think he's better than a journeyman

Overall, I think we have a fine crop of receivers and am only worried about OL, in which I have little confidence, and backups for Portis. If we make any moves on offense, it should be OL and RB, not receivers. Love our tight ends, of course.

People worry about Kelly's injuries. Williams hasn't made it on the field in a real game in 2 years.

I'm surprised by how many people think that Banks will make the team. He is simply too small to play wide receiver, and I highly doubt that we are going to keep him simply for his return abilities. There have been a number of reports from practice about Banks getting manhandled run blocking, and Shanahan isn't going to put a receiver on the field that can't run block.

CanesSkins26 wrote:I'm surprised by how many people think that Banks will make the team. He is simply too small to play wide receiver, and I highly doubt that we are going to keep him simply for his return abilities. There have been a number of reports from practice about Banks getting manhandled run blocking, and Shanahan isn't going to put a receiver on the field that can't run block.

That's ludicrous. Do you also think Moss won't make the team because he can't run block? Do you remember last year's Giants game where Moss couldn't get off the LOS to go out for a pass, much less run block?

Deadskins wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I'm surprised by how many people think that Banks will make the team. He is simply too small to play wide receiver, and I highly doubt that we are going to keep him simply for his return abilities. There have been a number of reports from practice about Banks getting manhandled run blocking, and Shanahan isn't going to put a receiver on the field that can't run block.

That's ludicrous. Do you also think Moss won't make the team because he can't run block? Do you remember last year's Giants game where Moss couldn't get off the LOS to go out for a pass, much less run block?

Moss has both height and weight on Banks. Plus, he is a proven NFL pass catcher. Banks is not. Moss isn't the best run blocker, but he can hold his own. Banks has had trouble blocking Tryon in practice, who himself is only 5'9 and 185 pounds.

I think the coaches will give Banks a shot here but only because he's making a huge effort to be a part of things - I don't think that many here are excited about his WR talents per se - this guy seems to have what it takes and a desire to make it

I think he's part of the 53 in a few weeks

1. Moss
2. Armstrong
3. Thomas, who'll likely pass Armstrong on the depth chart soon.
4. Williams
5. Kelly
6. Austin

I'm in the camp that says that Banks is just too small. I think he's fun to watch, but could just invision seeing him on a stretcher somewhere down the line.

Galloway is there right now simply to provide veteran leadership. They're keeping him listed as 1st string to keep him happy. He'll be gone on the final day of cuts.

I'm still wishing that we hadn't let go of Marko Mitchell this off season. I'd be interested to see how he'd be doing in this new offense.

Banks is not too small.

Is Darren Sproles too small?

ATX_Skins wrote:Banks is not too small.

Is Darren Sproles too small?

Banks is 5'7, 150
Sproles is 5'6 190

CanesSkins26 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Banks is not too small.

Is Darren Sproles too small?

Banks is 5'7, 150
Sproles is 5'6 190

Sproles also plays RB, Banks does not.

ATX_Skins wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Banks is not too small.

Is Darren Sproles too small?

Banks is 5'7, 150
Sproles is 5'6 190

Sproles also plays RB, Banks does not.

I understand that, but the comparison of the two is essentially useless. Sproles is an inch shorter and weighs 40 pounds more.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Banks is not too small.

Is Darren Sproles too small?

Banks is 5'7, 150
Sproles is 5'6 190

Sproles also plays RB, Banks does not.

I understand that, but the comparison of the two is essentially useless. Sproles is an inch shorter and weighs 40 pounds more.

Here's a comparison: Mark McMillian Former Philadelphia Eagle Corner who played for the Skins as well. 5' 7" (you know he was really 5'6") and 154 pounds. This guy had to tackle 240 pound fullback and survive. Banks played Division I NCAA football, he has proved that he is durable. There is no such thing as too small. Banks is a returner and with certain packages can be used effectively as a receiver.
http://www.nfl.com/players/markmcmillia ... =MCM607014

CanesSkins26 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Banks is not too small.

Is Darren Sproles too small?

Banks is 5'7, 150
Sproles is 5'6 190

Sproles also plays RB, Banks does not.

I understand that, but the comparison of the two is essentially useless. Sproles is an inch shorter and weighs 40 pounds more.

Here's a comparison: Mark McMillian Former Philadelphia Eagle Corner who played for the Skins as well. 5' 7" (you know he was really 5'6") and 154 pounds. This guy had to tackle 240 pound fullback and survive. Banks played Division I NCAA football, he has proved that he is durable. There is no such thing as too small. Banks is a returner and with certain packages can be used effectively as a receiver.
http://www.nfl.com/players/markmcmillia ... =MCM607014

We can talk about how small Banks is all day long. What has it effected though? Guys still cant catch him, he's not injured.

I would rather have a small and healthy Banks than a big, injury prone Kelly on my team.

Speed kills...

I want Banks.

He has been 2 blocks away from taking 2 more punts to the house.

I have watched him get big time separation on 3 routes... one of which resulted in a 15 yd pick up...

The kid is a player... I say that keep him.

ATX_Skins wrote:We can talk about how small Banks is all day long. What has it effected though? Guys still cant catch him, he's not injured.

I would rather have a small and healthy Banks than a big, injury prone Kelly on my team.

Talk about injury prone! Banks is a midget and I could easily throw him around a room. Imagine him taking a blind hit from Ed Reed! I'll take a large receiver with some injury issues over a little guy who's going to end up in a wheel chair! He looks like a little kid out there.

Terrible comparison between him and Sproles by the way. Sproles is built like a tank. He's short, but that's where it ends. Banks is short and dainty!

Maximoral wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:We can talk about how small Banks is all day long. What has it effected though? Guys still cant catch him, he's not injured.

I would rather have a small and healthy Banks than a big, injury prone Kelly on my team.

Talk about injury prone! Banks is a midget and I could easily throw him around a room. Imagine him taking a blind hit from Ed Reed! I'll take a large receiver with some injury issues over a little guy who's going to end up in a wheel chair! He looks like a little kid out there.

Terrible comparison between him and Sproles by the way. Sproles is built like a tank. He's short, but that's where it ends. Banks is short and dainty!

Banks survived the Big 12 without injury. More than can be said for Kelley.