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brad7686 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I'll agree that Campbell was not the cause of anything but there is no way I can agree that we are not a lot better offensively with McNabb as our QB than Campbell - NO WAY

one is a winning QB the other has not been close to showing the same capabilities - Shanahan could not take a chance on the most important player on the team, sorry

I hopeCampbell has a fantastic season/career - there is NO WAY that he could have done that here - NO WAY

The only caveat here is that we'll not be able to compare the two under equal situations (hopefully). We have a MUCH better o line than we had last year and we'll have MUCH better playcalling this year than last, so the comparison is going to be purely speculatory.

That's true, but I think most would agree that Campbell with Brandon Marshall is better than McNabb without Brandon Marshall, if everything else on the offense was equal.

I completely agree, Brad, even I wouldn't try to argue that one

I was addressing straight JC vs McNabb.

brad7686 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I'll agree that Campbell was not the cause of anything but there is no way I can agree that we are not a lot better offensively with McNabb as our QB than Campbell - NO WAY

one is a winning QB the other has not been close to showing the same capabilities - Shanahan could not take a chance on the most important player on the team, sorry

I hopeCampbell has a fantastic season/career - there is NO WAY that he could have done that here - NO WAY

The only caveat here is that we'll not be able to compare the two under equal situations (hopefully). We have a MUCH better o line than we had last year and we'll have MUCH better playcalling this year than last, so the comparison is going to be purely speculatory.

That's true, but I think most would agree that Campbell with Brandon Marshall is better than McNabb without Brandon Marshall, if everything else on the offense was equal.

Marshall catches a great deep ball... Too bad Campbell can't throw the deep ball. So we would have been screwed there anyways.

With McNabb we get a leader, neither Marshall or Campbell were leaders.

ATX_Skins wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I'll agree that Campbell was not the cause of anything but there is no way I can agree that we are not a lot better offensively with McNabb as our QB than Campbell - NO WAY

one is a winning QB the other has not been close to showing the same capabilities - Shanahan could not take a chance on the most important player on the team, sorry

I hopeCampbell has a fantastic season/career - there is NO WAY that he could have done that here - NO WAY

The only caveat here is that we'll not be able to compare the two under equal situations (hopefully). We have a MUCH better o line than we had last year and we'll have MUCH better playcalling this year than last, so the comparison is going to be purely speculatory.

That's true, but I think most would agree that Campbell with Brandon Marshall is better than McNabb without Brandon Marshall, if everything else on the offense was equal.

Marshall catches a great deep ball... Too bad Campbell can't throw the deep ball. So we would have been screwed there anyways.

With McNabb we get a leader, neither Marshall or Campbell were leaders.

Let him stay upright for a few games and I bet his concentration and accuracy get better.

Yea, nobody can miss Brandon Marshall downfield. People seem to forget that Campbell was throwing to Moss, who he should have hit more often, but aside from being occasionally fast, Moss does absolutely nothing to help a qb and he is tiny.

By that I mean he can't catch, can't adjust to ball, can't outmuscle corners, can't win a jump ball, and runs inconsistent routes.

True, but I think we all saw how awful those deep passes were... I don't think Lebron could have gotten a hand on any. Some of his throws were 10-15 yds in front of the guys.

ATX_Skins wrote:True, but I think we all saw how awful those deep passes were... I don't think Lebron could have gotten a hand on any. Some of his throws were 10-15 yds in front of the guys.

Not to mention the deep balls that he would throw straight out of bounds. I would take McNabb/Moss over Campbell/Marshall every single time. McNabb is a proven winner, who made a lot of great things happen in Philly throwing to receivers that were no better than what JC had the last couple of years in DC. JC isn't a winner and is nothing more than a mediocre NFL qb. I'm sure there will be even more excuses for him once he struggles in Oakland.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:True, but I think we all saw how awful those deep passes were... I don't think Lebron could have gotten a hand on any. Some of his throws were 10-15 yds in front of the guys.

Not to mention the deep balls that he would throw straight out of bounds. I would take McNabb/Moss over Campbell/Marshall every single time. McNabb is a proven winner, who made a lot of great things happen in Philly throwing to receivers that were no better than what JC had the last couple of years in DC. JC isn't a winner and is nothing more than a mediocre NFL qb. I'm sure there will be even more excuses for him once he struggles in Oakland.

Oh there will be excuses. I can almost hear them now.

He'll be fine. He won't be asked to throw the ball 50 times a game. That means less pressure on him from the defense.

I'm sorry, we could have old-ass John Riggins starting for us and our running game is still better than the E-girls.

Plus ATX is right. The WR situation is a train wreck. I really hope we can get a young, TALL guy like Vincent Jackson to play opposite Santana. Next years FA target has to be a WR stud.

tribeofjudah wrote:Notes from writers saying that DNabb is not as sharp...still adjusting to the Skins.

You all say we're going 10-6 - well NOT if our QB struggles. Are we in trouble? Do we want Jcam back....?

On the first day of Washington Redskins training camp, a heckler stood near the front of the crowd and criticized every bad pass, every bobbled ball and pined out loud for the return of departed quarterback Jason Campbell.

"Must have been a great catch," the fan yelled after McNabb completed one pass, "because it couldn't have been a good throw."

As the days went by, other fans might have felt that the heckler was on to something. McNabb seemed to have more passes intercepted than he should. He was throwing behind receivers, and earlier this week, he unleashed a wounded duck that was easily picked off by Carlos Rogers downfield.

McNabb's performance could be simply a matter of him adjusting to new surroundings and a new offense. Or maybe fans are catching a glimpse of why the Eagles were willing to trade the quarterback after 11 seasons.

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story/0 ... _headlines

#1- It doesn't matter who is starting right now. JCam would be having just as much trouble if not more.

#2- JCam is gone. There is no changing that. So there is no reason to revisit "would we rather have kept JCam?" and no I wouldn't, why.... cause the team finally realized they couldn't get JCam to correct his issues so they decided to finally get rid of him. Something that should have happened a long time ago.

#3- I was not a fan favorite of us picking up McNabb. I'm over that now. Simply put this is the Allen/Shanahan show. Cerrato is gone Shanahan wanted McNabb, he was able to get SB quality out of Elway who was the same age as McNabb, and lastly lets let a HC finally take full control with out hindering his ability to run the team.

The question no one is asking McNabb which I am more interested in is which offense does McNabb think is better....the Eagles or this offense he's in now? Does he feel this one provides more opportunities to score? Obviously he's not going to trash talk his new team or his new teams scheme but I'd like to know what the differences are and which he liked better? I would imagine he would feel more confortable in the Eagles scheme since he was in it for so long. I'd just be interested in what he see's as being different, better, or worse from his stand point. Especially since both HC's were from the Holmgren tree.

VRIEL1 wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:Notes from writers saying that DNabb is not as sharp...still adjusting to the Skins.

You all say we're going 10-6 - well NOT if our QB struggles. Are we in trouble? Do we want Jcam back....?

On the first day of Washington Redskins training camp, a heckler stood near the front of the crowd and criticized every bad pass, every bobbled ball and pined out loud for the return of departed quarterback Jason Campbell.

"Must have been a great catch," the fan yelled after McNabb completed one pass, "because it couldn't have been a good throw."

As the days went by, other fans might have felt that the heckler was on to something. McNabb seemed to have more passes intercepted than he should. He was throwing behind receivers, and earlier this week, he unleashed a wounded duck that was easily picked off by Carlos Rogers downfield.

McNabb's performance could be simply a matter of him adjusting to new surroundings and a new offense. Or maybe fans are catching a glimpse of why the Eagles were willing to trade the quarterback after 11 seasons.

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story/0 ... _headlines

#1- It doesn't matter who is starting right now. JCam would be having just as much trouble if not more.

#2- JCam is gone. There is no changing that. So there is no reason to revisit "would we rather have kept JCam?" and no I wouldn't, why.... cause the team finally realized they couldn't get JCam to correct his issues so they decided to finally get rid of him. Something that should have happened a long time ago.

#3- I was not a fan favorite of us picking up McNabb. I'm over that now. Simply put this is the Allen/Shanahan show. Cerrato is gone Shanahan wanted McNabb, he was able to get SB quality out of Elway who was the same age as McNabb, and lastly lets let a HC finally take full control with out hindering his ability to run the team.

The question no one is asking McNabb which I am more interested in is which offense does McNabb think is better....the Eagles or this offense he's in now? Does he feel this one provides more opportunities to score? Obviously he's not going to trash talk his new team or his new teams scheme but I'd like to know what the differences are and which he liked better? I would imagine he would feel more confortable in the Eagles scheme since he was in it for so long. I'd just be interested in what he see's as being different, better, or worse from his stand point. Especially since both HC's were from the Holmgren tree.

He can't adequately answer that question considering he has exactly ZERO game experience in Shanahans' offense. And until he gets comfortable (at least 1 full year), I don't think he'll have adequate experience in the latter to compare.

McNabb is no longer the qb he was in his peak years with the Eagles, same as Brunell wasn't when he came here from Jacksonville. We will get some emotional play from him against the Eagles and a few other games, however I don't expect him to be at Pro Bowl level at this point in his career. Upgrade at QB compared to in the past? Yes. Answer for years to come? NO

I could care less if McNabb is good enough to be a Pro Bowl QB and neither does any of the players or coaches here - all they want is a QB that can get the job done and be a leader

Campbell had his chance and indicated that he was going to be the QB and leader that many thought he could be - guess what he did not even come close

McNabb is so much better a QB and leader that the comparison is a joke

Campbell is not here and has shown nothing - McNabb is the QB here and he's shown that he can get the job done

END OF STORY - get over it or go follow another team - better yet, go play fantasy football and put Campbell on your team

the QB in B&G this year is a proven winner - that's all that matters

SkinsJock wrote:I could care less if McNabb is good enough to be a Pro Bowl QB and neither does any of the players or coaches here - all they want is a QB that can get the job done and be a leader

Campbell had his chance and indicated that he was going to be the QB and leader that many thought he could be - guess what he did not even come close

McNabb is so much better a QB and leader that the comparison is a joke

Campbell is not here and has shown nothing - McNabb is the QB here and he's shown that he can get the job done

END OF STORY - get over it or go follow another team - better yet, go play fantasy football and put Campbell on your team

the QB in B&G this year is a proven winner - that's all that matters

Neither one has a ring.

mastdark81 wrote:Upgrade at QB compared to in the past? Yes. Answer for years to come? NO

You hit it right on the head but I'm honestly ok with this situation. McNugget want's it RIGHT NOW and if we get to the NFC champ game and lose, he'll most likely come back to try at it once more. Future QB, obviously not but I can care less because I'm not looking for future football, I'm looking for 2010/11 season and I want to win that big game in cow country.

I think that Kyle & Mike Shanahan have ABSOLUTELY no doubt about who gives them the best chance to be a better football team

I for one am very happy that we have Mcnabb and not Campbell as our QB

I'll say it again - Campbell was NOT the reason that we did not do well on offense AND Campbell is not a bad QB AT ALL

there is absolutely no question, and I'm sure that nearly everyone that knows anything about the game would agree - At this time, Donovan McNabb gives this franchise a chance to be a lot better than Jason Campbell

Campbell did not have much of an opportunity to be successful here BUT he also did not really do much at all (and I'm being nice) while he was here

Jason Campbell is now a Raider and good luck to him


Donovan McNabb (THANKFULLY) is QB for the Redskins

SkinsJock wrote:I think that Kyle & Mike Shanahan have ABSOLUTELY no doubt about who gives them the best chance to be a better football team

I for one am very happy that we have Mcnabb and not Campbell as our QB

I'll say it again - Campbell was NOT the reason that we did not do well on offense AND Campbell is not a bad QB AT ALL

there is absolutely no question, and I'm sure that nearly everyone that knows anything about the game would agree - At this time, Donovan McNabb gives this franchise a chance to be a lot better than Jason Campbell

Campbell did not have much of an opportunity to be successful here BUT he also did not really do much at all (and I'm being nice) while he was here

Jason Campbell is now a Raider and good luck to him


Donovan McNabb (THANKFULLY) is QB for the Redskins

I have tempered my expectations for this season. I believe the team will be much better with McNabb but I still don't believe it is a playoff year. I watched a lot of McNabb living here in Philly and I still have some reservations about him.

Yea, every time I look at the practice report it says that McNabb has been picked off by Carlos Rogers on a deep pass to Santana Moss. He must have 4 off him by now. Hopefully McNabb will figure out that unless he is wide open there is no need to throw the ball at Santana, because he will not fight for it.

This is the NFC East, and if you have a hole it will be exploited. Giants secondary, Eagles run D, Cowboys secondary. We had many holes last year but we still have a glaring one at WR. Since the line has gotten better it might not seem as bad. But we'll see.

On a side note, why is it that when MCNABB comes in everybody wants to talk about how bad the receivers are? They've been like that for a decade.

Why even ask the question of Campbell or McNabb? Its a no brainer. Has there been a QB in the history of the NFL that people have made more excuses for than Campbell? He seeems like a nice guy, but he is a back up QB

McNabb will throw one in the ground occaisonally, accuracy is not his strength. He is a winner though, and Campbell was not

McNabb will also make more big plays than bad passes. And he is not going to throw the ball out of bounds on 4th down as the game winds down like Campbell did. A pop warner QB would know better, but Campbell didn't

The Campbell Mcnabb questions is silly

I think we all agree that everyone is happy with McNabb and there's no reason to even discuss Jason Campbell anymore.

Deadskins wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:Do we want Jcam back....?

No.

Double stamp

I believe that McNabb is VERY 'comfy' as the Redskins QB - AND I think the players and coaches are VERY 'comfy' with him too